SHAHBAGH SQUARE-A NEW RISE

[idune]

Janaza Salah for those who killed by Awami League on be half of those attending Shabag farce

 

[Hammer-fist]

Surely there are issues. India also has a list of issues that BD does not do much about. Does not mean I hate Bangladesh. I do not consider any BD member standing up for their self interest to be jamatis. I've known many Bangladeshis in Dubai and I found them humble hardworking people one respects.

Jamatis are a distinct group of people and their rabid hatred gives them away. Surely you know what I mean.

Earlier only jamatis existed on the forum and their cacophony of malaun, mushrik, and hindu dhoti and curse bangla everything and what not really made me wonder about BD. But I'm glad now we have a more diverse BD viewpoint on the forum. And this thread is a particular eye opener.

@KRAIT @Roybot @Gigawatt @Syama Ayas - surprising thread.

1. This forum is a Pakistani forum so will naturally attract Pakistanophilic Jamatis (their leadership are wannabe-Pakistanis anyway), that does not detract from the fact that webmaster and co should be respected for opening this sub-forum.

2. However in the real world, Jamat only got 4.7% of the vote.

3. Jamatis do not hate India because of its policies but because India is Hindu and ultimately they dream of a Zaid Hamid style epic Hindu-Muslim showdown in the Bengal region.

Mainstream Bangladeshis are upset/annoyed/angry (the degree varies) with India because of New Delhi's policies not because India is Hindu (Nepal is Hindu and we generally like that country).

I have had huge arguments with Indians on this sub-forum and said we'd fight a 1,000 years and sacrifice everything if India ever invaded (which I do not think it does, India has other things to worry about) but that doesn't make me a Jamati or rezakar.

However the difference between mainstream Bangladeshis like myself (Jamatis are 4.7% of the population votewise) is we are willing to accept normal relations with India if our issues of contention are resolved. Jamatis as you will know are not and ultimately fantasize the destruction of India et la Zaid Hamid.

We mainstream Bangladeshis are religious, but not war-mongering extremists. We desire peace and prosperity and not neo-Mughal dreams of conquest.

4. Mainstream Bangladeshis are becoming less afraid to express their feelings now (they were always here) due to being scared of the "Awami" "malaun" "India-lover" "India-dalal" tags that the Jamati/rezakar gang on this forum put on people to intimidate and silence them.

I for example have had big arguments with Jamatis/rezakars and they curse me day and night on this forum and have sworn at me. However I have stood firm against these thugs and fanatics, now other Bangladeshis are doing likewise.

Traditionally on this forum the mainstream and sensible Bangladeshis did not want to waste time being insulted and bullied by Jamatis in a mere online forum so thought it was better to be quite and concentrate on the real world.

5. I feel educated and sensible Pakistanis (not the SpringOnion, Armstrong type) but others have no interest in Jamati fantasies of re-union with Pakistan and would ideally prefer a more accurate and representative Bangladeshi membership so that they too can have a better understanding of Bangladesh, rather than thinking that the 4.7% Jamatis comprise 90% Bangladeshis.

Of course they also do not want excessive criticism or maligning from Bangladeshis of the non-Jamati variety.

6. Nearly every Indian here who has posted of his or his friends/relatives' personal experiences with Bangladeshis has more or less said the same, we are quiet, humble and hospitable. We are a quiet people and do not entertain notions of being a former superpower (Turks - Ottomans, Iranians - Safavis and others, Arabs - Ummayyad, Abbasid etc).

We want peace and a better economy.

In terms of India we want an end to BSF killings, resolution of water problems, and an end to interference in Bangladesh's domestic affairs (which from an Indian perspective is motivated by a desire to keep their north-eastern flank stable).

I challenge any Indian here to fly to Dhaka tomorrow and mix with Bangladeshis and see if they are anything like Luffy, Kobiraaz, Idune, Al-Zakir, Md_Akmal, T-Rex, M-saint etc.

or if instead we are quiet, polite and warm people.

 

[kalu_miah]

1. This forum is a Pakistani forum so will naturally attract Pakistanophilic Jamatis (their leadership are wannabe-Pakistanis anyway), that does not detract from the fact that webmaster and co should be respected for opening this sub-forum.

2. However in the real world, Jamat only got 4.7% of the vote.

3. Jamatis do not hate India because of its policies but because India is Hindu and ultimately they dream of a Zaid Hamid style epic Hindu-Muslim showdown in the Bengal region.

Mainstream Bangladeshis are upset/annoyed/angry (the degree varies) with India because of New Delhi's policies not because India is Hindu (Nepal is Hindu and we generally like that country).

I have had huge arguments with Indians on this sub-forum and said we'd fight a 1,000 years and sacrifice everything if India ever invaded (which I do not think it does, India has other things to worry about) but that doesn't make me a Jamati or rezakar.

However the difference between mainstream Bangladeshis like myself (Jamatis are 4.7% of the population votewise) is we are willing to accept normal relations with India if our issues of contention are resolved. Jamatis as you will know are not and ultimately fantasize the destruction of India et la Zaid Hamid.

We mainstream Bangladeshis are religious, but not war-mongering extremists. We desire peace and prosperity and not neo-Mughal dreams of conquest.

4. Mainstream Bangladeshis are becoming less afraid to express their feelings now (they were always here) due to being scared of the "Awami" "malaun" "India-lover" "India-dalal" tags that the Jamati/rezakar gang on this forum put on people to intimidate and silence them.

I for example have had big arguments with Jamatis/rezakars and they curse me day and night on this forum and have sworn at me. However I have stood firm against these thugs and fanatics, now other Bangladeshis are doing likewise.

Traditionally on this forum the mainstream and sensible Bangladeshis did not want to waste time being insulted and bullied by Jamatis in a mere online forum so thought it was better to be quite and concentrate on the real world.

5. I feel educated and sensible Pakistanis (not the SpringOnion, Armstrong type) but others have no interest in Jamati fantasies of re-union with Pakistan and would ideally prefer a more accurate and representative Bangladeshi membership so that they too can have a better understanding of Bangladesh, rather than thinking that the 4.7% Jamatis comprise 90% Bangladeshis.

Of course they also do not want excessive criticism or maligning from Bangladeshis of the non-Jamati variety.

6. Nearly every Indian here who has posted of his or his friends/relatives' personal experiences with Bangladeshis has more or less said the same, we are quiet, humble and hospitable. We are a quiet people and do not entertain notions of being a former superpower (Turks - Ottomans, Iranians - Safavis and others, Arabs - Ummayyad, Abbasid etc).

We want peace and a better economy.

In terms of India we want an end to BSF killings, resolution of water problems, and an end to interference in Bangladesh's domestic affairs (which from an Indian perspective is motivated by a desire to keep their north-eastern flank stable).

I challenge any Indian here to fly to Dhaka tomorrow and mix with Bangladeshis and see if they are anything like Luffy, Kobiraaz, Idune, Al-Zakir, Md_Akmal, T-Rex, M-saint etc.

or if instead we are quiet, polite and warm people.

Everyone speaks for themselves and present their own opinion.

Whether that is majority opinion or not, that is for the audience to decide.

It is hard for a person to know about a country without physically living there as an adult for significant period of time. For expats, they know their expat family and community, that is the extent of their knowledge. Internet forum posts, books and videos are not enough to know a country and people, there is no substitute for physical presence.

Hammer unfortunately never spent significant time in Bangladesh to make sweeping claims like this.

However, there is some truth to what Hammer says. I have Indian friends, no one acts like these Indians in pdf. The same goes for Bangladeshi's in real life. But there is a simple explanation for that which is that people who come to these forums are much more aware and strongly opinionated than average educated folk, Bangladeshi or Indian. The masses don't count, because they hardly can make ends meet in both countries and cannot afford the internet luxury or use it for necessities like email or website searches, so they are as clueless as ever.

 

[scholseys]

Everyone speaks for themselves and present their own opinion.

Whether that is majority opinion or not, that is for the audience to decide.

It is hard for a person to know about a country without physically living there as an adult for significant period of time. For expats, they know their expat family and community, that is the extent of their knowledge. Internet forum posts, books and videos are not enough to know a country and people, there is no substitute for physical presence.

Hammer unfortunately never spent significant time in Bangladesh to make tall claims like this.

explains why he has his mind made up about something and copy pastes it over and over like a broken record.

 

[KRAIT]

@fateh71 Yup, I talked to this guy and even if he pointed out against India, he was rational. We need more posters who are ready to discuss the problem and find solution for India and BD both.

Blame game leads to no conclusion. I am ready to discuss about wrong policies of India but I hope BD posters tone down the abusive language.

 

[Mattrixx]

Janaza Salah for those who killed by Awami League on be half of those attending Shabag farce

So these ppl r only who support jamat in entire chittagong region. Its one muslims duty to take part in janaja that doesnt mean all of them supporter of jamat.I didnt even posted the whole picture of 64 district of the country.....lolz

And why do u bring this as there is no connection between these issues.

 

[INDIC]

Surely there are issues. India also has a list of issues that BD does not do much about. Does not mean I hate Bangladesh. I do not consider any BD member standing up for their self interest to be jamatis. I've known many Bangladeshis in Dubai and I found them humble hardworking people one respects.

Jamatis are a distinct group of people and their rabid hatred gives them away. Surely you know what I mean.

Earlier only jamatis existed on the forum and their cacophony of malaun, mushrik, and hindu dhoti and curse bangla everything and what not really made me wonder about BD. But I'm glad now we have a more diverse BD viewpoint on the forum. And this thread is a particular eye opener.

@KRAIT @Roybot @Gigawatt @Syama Ayas - surprising thread.

Roybot visited Bangladesh recently.

 

[idune]

So, simply put, I know my country more than some expat writing posts sitting in London and becoming a self claimed expert about Bangladesh, whose entire experience in Bangladesh is one or more weeks or months long trips to the place.

Hammer-fist is looking for a job as propaganda paddler and indians are already stated they are interested to recruit him. That is the natural progression and promotion for awami thugs.

 

[M_Saint]

This clown miah also stood 1st/2nd in SSC and HSC also, as a young entrepreneur founded a 100% export oriented manufacturing industry, created hundreds of jobs, a company that continue to employ people and earn foreign currency for the country.

Yes, I am married to a Korean and she has become Muslim before she got married, Masha-Allah.

As for my regionalism theories, yes they are far-fetched, but I never claimed them to be real. They are ideas based on my own other far-fetched theories. Small countries are at a disadvantage, it is no secret.

So, simply put, I know my country more than some expat writing posts sitting in London and becoming a self claimed expert about Bangladesh, whose entire experience in Bangladesh is one or more weeks or months long trips to the place.

This is a free forum, and I have the right to point out false hoods, every time I see them, regardless of where it comes from.

I have already done something real to improve Bangladesh, in the future will do more, Insha-Allah.

Kalu Bhai,

Kukurer Kaj Kukur Koreche,
Kamreche UR Pay...

Ti Bole Ki Apnar,
Digambor Howa Shova Pay?

Why do U have to reveal URself in open forum? He claims that Jamaatis are anti-Bangladeshi, calls them RA-ZAKAR but I've provided tools for him to be re-educated but not seeing fruits, so for that do I have to prove myself to him by revealing my identity in open forum? It's seems like indoctrination is a disease that can't be cured easily. So, 'La kum dinu kum' is the way forward, IMO...Anyway, I am pasting 2 links for U to see ex-Jamaati Amir (The main accused) had no, nada, zilch dealing with W Pakistani army's atrocity. Hope U are open minded to find out how thick and many layers of curtains have been made for JI leaders to look like chief collaborators. It was all done to put us in transition to be transformed as slaves of IND, IMHO.

1. 14 DEC 2011: An Interview with Ghulam Azam - YouTube

2. exclusive interview of golam azam 2 - YouTube

On a separate note, Hammer's perception on BD's Jamaat being linked with PAK's Jamaat, UR opinion on its old leader's reputation are hampering JI's rise in current BD and needy ness of the discarding of Moududi's ideology is way forward are all completely wrong, IMHO. The truth of the matter is that BD's JI is weak because of not having deep-intra relationship with PAK'S Jamaat. The hyper propaganda against JI's link with PAK's JI has put BD's JI walas in psychological disadvantage for that they couldn't hob-nob with PAK's one IMO too.

2ndly, accusation against its old leaders are just RAWAMY means to earn desired ends. If the old leaders weren't there then RAWAMYs would discover/invent something else to engineer desired end. Just look at how they found Mamun to destroy Tariq. U can also go through RAWAMY's history of agitation and issue creation since 1958. There is pattern, trend and clear proof of their treacherousness.

And finally, without Moududi's guideline, JI can't remain as Jamaat of the present time. U have a very distorted perception about him. Please be aware that Moududi had written over 40 books, dedicated his life for the betterment of Sub-continental Muslims and IMO there exist hardly any parallel of him. But there were some controversies in his writing, which was also acceptable as human being wasn't perfect. BD's JI already got rid of that part from their manifesto, AFAIK.

 

[Al-zakir]

Yes, mini gathering of fasiq, munafiq, maloon, liar, thieves, dhoti loving Bharti dalals. Most of these people over there are commie, rejected, fasadi kamjaat chote log kambaqt der nalayak aulad.

 

[kalu_miah]

Kalu Bhai,

Kukurer Kaj Kukur Koreche,
Kamreche UR Pay...

Ti Bole Ki Apnar,
Digambor Howa Shova Pay?

Why do U have to reveal URself in open forum? He claims that Jamaatis are anti-Bangladeshi, calls them RA-ZAKAR but I've provided tools for him to be re-educated but not seeing fruits, so for that do I have to prove myself to him by revealing my identity in open forum? It's seems like indoctrination is a disease that can't be cured easily. So, 'La kum dinu kum' is the way forward, IMO...Anyway, I am pasting 2 links for U to see ex-Jamaati Amir (The main accused) had no, nada, zilch dealing with W Pakistani army's atrocity. Hope U are open minded to find out how thick and many layers of curtains have been made for JI leaders to look like chief collaborators. It was all done to put us in transition to be transformed as slaves of IND, IMHO.

1. 14 DEC 2011: An Interview with Ghulam Azam - YouTube

2. exclusive interview of golam azam 2 - YouTube

On a separate note, Hammer's perception on BD's Jamaat being linked with PAK's Jamaat, UR opinion on its old leader's reputation are hampering JI's rise in current BD and needy ness of the discarding of Moududi's ideology is way forward are all completely wrong, IMHO. The truth of the matter is that BD's JI is weak because of not having deep-intra relationship with PAK'S Jamaat. The hyper propaganda against JI's link with PAK's JI has put BD's JI walas in psychological disadvantage for that they couldn't hob-nob with PAK's one IMO too.

2ndly, accusation against its old leaders are just RAWAMY means to earn desired ends. If the old leaders weren't there then RAWAMYs would discover/invent something else to engineer desired end. Just look at how they found Mamun to destroy Tariq. U can also go through RAWAMY's history of agitation and issue creation since 1958. There is pattern, trend and clear proof of their treacherousness.

And finally, without Moududi's guideline, JI can't remain as Jamaat of the present time. U have a very distorted perception about him. Please be aware that Moududi had written over 40 books, dedicated his life for the betterment of Sub-continental Muslims and IMO there exist hardly any parallel of him. But there were some controversies in his writing, which was also acceptable as human being wasn't perfect. BD's JI already got rid of that part from their manifesto, AFAIK.

M_Saint bhai, with due respect, I don't have all the facts and my knowledge on this matter is not so deep.

All I know is that this political turn to Islam that started after the fall of Ottoman (Hassan Al Banna, Qutb, Nabhani et al.) and Mughal (Maududi) were product of broken down systems with a nostalgia to recreate the past glory of Islam. Since then many of the "Islamists" evolved, some part turned violent and collaborated with Salafi's in Afghan war to create the AQ variant, whereas some parts of Muslim brotherhood became more mainstream political players like those in AKP/Turkey and those in Egypt, Libya and Tunisia, that came to power after Arab spring upheavals. In Pakistan and Bangladesh, JeI never became mainstream for various reasons.

Islam needs a new direction and I think it will not come from "Islamists", instead I provide one idea here to find a common unifying direction through consensus:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...slamic-extremism-global-fiqh-council-gfc.html

I have reservations about the above "Islamist" scholars (including Moududi) who provide new and updated interpretation without proper and credible knowledge and authority on the subject they are dealing with. I understand their motivation to help the Muslim community of the world, but disagree with their methods.

About JI's involvement with Pakistan Army in 1971, not enough first hand knowledge, so cannot comment.

 

[Roybot]

Wow looks like a pretty big gathering. Funny how @kobiraaz is not posting posting pictures comparing the size of anti and pro jamaati gatherings anymore.


Its interesting to note that size of Shahbag protest grew manifold after office hours. It indicates that most of these protesters are hard working middle class Bangladeshis as opposed to the jamaati protesters who were busy torching public property in the middle of the day.

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[scholseys]

Wow looks like a pretty big gathering. Funny how @kobiraaz is not posting posting pictures comparing the size of anti and pro jamaati gatherings anymore.


Its interesting to note that size of Shahbag protest grew manifold after office hours. It indicates that most of these protesters are hard working middle class Bangladeshis as opposed to the jamaati protesters who were busy torching public property in the middle of the day.

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Jamaatis were not allowed to protest freely where these protestors are being provided with a carnival like atmosphere. Charge them with police and RAB, you will see how these protestors reach. In Bangladesh if you want your voice heard, you have to break $hit up. I once recall some group of people going for a hunger strike and the government simply did not care, after a few days they eventually had food

 

[saleen_s7]

I, myself, my family has consistently voted for BNP from its existence and will continue to do in the next election. Matter of fact, I would go out of my way and even claim that BNP has always been the superior party in every way possible. It is a party of the gentlemen, the educated, the enablers and the businessmen. Matter of fact any rational human being can never vote for AL because of Sheikh Hasina's foul mouth and open corruption Awami league resorts to. i.e chatra league, jubo league.. and I can go on and on.
But this protest is not about any political party. Those who are saying this is movement is started by the AL has been lying and trying to trivialize the issue at hand. This is bigger than any political party ideologies. This is even bigger than Sheikh Mujib and Ziaur Rahman combined. This is about the slaughter of 300,000-1 million (according to international surveys conducted) or 30,000 ( Hamidur Commission, also according to some members here) innocent lives being butchered. This is a very genuine protest, except this protest has LITERALLY attracted middle class/ upper class, who has no affiliation with any political parties.
Now, the question is, if the rumours are true that Jamaat and Awami League are conducting secret deals, where does that put BNP? and more importantly, where does it put the Bangladeshi people? Knowing Awami League and Jamaat by their fascist nature, they are very much capable of such malpractices.

 

[BanglaBhoot]