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Shady's, I'm Saleh's back and he's mad [insults Quaid Azam]

What are his achievements beside supporting TTP and BLA (Recent defected commanders elaborated where and who trained him in afghanistan) that you so badly wanted him to make a comeback ?
"In June 2010 Atmar and Saleh were also gone. All ... had been highly respected among Afghans and among international partners. Since late 2008 I had been enthusiastic about the number of new reform-oriented politicians in key government positions. That trend now seemed to have been reversed."

—Kai Eide ( United Nation's Special Representative to Afghanistan )

"With Amrullah Saleh, the Afghan people have lost a huge treasure of commitment, awareness and experience in this struggle against terrorism, Al Qaeda and the ISI. I can’t think of anyone who will be able to even slightly fill the vacuum that he leaves behind. Besides being a highly efficient chief at the N.D.S., he is a man of knowledge and research with an incredible memory and intellect. When he analyzed issues at international meetings, he exhibited tremendous ability at logical reasoning. He was head and shoulder above others. ... I had many differences in arguments with him, but I always saw his presence at the N.D.S. as a huge advantage to this country and this government. Despite my high respects for the president's decisions, I am extremely mournful about Saleh's departure. Extremely mournful."

-Rangin Dadfar Spanta (national security adviser)

"Saleh possessed good technical skills and emerging leadership traits".
"young, brilliant, honest, and devoted to a free Afghanistan".

-Ambassador Hank Crumpton from the CIA,( led the Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan in 2001)
 
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"In June 2010 Atmar and Saleh were also gone. All ... had been highly respected among Afghans and among international partners. Since late 2008 I had been enthusiastic about the number of new reform-oriented politicians in key government positions. That trend now seemed to have been reversed."

—Kai Eide ( United Nation's Special Representative to Afghanistan )

"With Amrullah Saleh, the Afghan people have lost a huge treasure of commitment, awareness and experience in this struggle against terrorism, Al Qaeda and the ISI. I can’t think of anyone who will be able to even slightly fill the vacuum that he leaves behind. Besides being a highly efficient chief at the N.D.S., he is a man of knowledge and research with an incredible memory and intellect. When he analyzed issues at international meetings, he exhibited tremendous ability at logical reasoning. He was head and shoulder above others. ... I had many differences in arguments with him, but I always saw his presence at the N.D.S. as a huge advantage to this country and this government. Despite my high respects for the president's decisions, I am extremely mournful about Saleh's departure. Extremely mournful."

-Rangin Dadfar Spanta (national security adviser)

"Saleh possessed good technical skills and emerging leadership traits".
"young, brilliant, honest, and devoted to a free Afghanistan".

-Ambassador Hank Crumpton from the CIA,( led the Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan in 2001)

Does these words translated into NDS actual success on the ground in their fight against TALIBAN ?

Former head of Afghan intelligence Amrullah Saleh was fired earlier this
year because of his opposition to the Karzai administration's efforts to
negotiate with the Taliban. He says a Taliban-friendly government would
mean Afghan rights are "violated fundamentally."



The Global Intelligence Files - AFGHANISTAN/CT/MIL- NPR interview with Amrullah Saleh


He was a failed strategist who couldn;t contain Taliban, couldnt weakened them which forced karzai to negotiate with them and fired Him for hindering the peace process


While on the other hand, where he did achieve success is this

28 suspected militants surrender in Balochistan
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Provincial Home Minister described the surrender as a big achievement of the government.—AFP/File
QUETTA: Five leaders and 23 members of the banned militant organisations surrendered in Quetta and Panjgur on Monday.

Four of the leaders handed over their arms to the authorities in the presence of provincial Home Minister Mir Sarfaraz Ahmed Bugti and Home Secretary Akbar Hussain Durrani at the Quetta Press Club. Abdul Sattar Masoori Bugti, Iftikhar Bugti, Najeebullah Bugti and Idrees Rind belonged to the banned Baloch Republican Army (BRA).

The minister described the surrender as a big achievement of the government because the men were said to be the “right hand of Barhamdagh Bugti”.

Also read: 400 militants in Balochistan lay down weapons on Independence Day

He said they had abandoned the armed struggle against the state and decided to join the mainstream. Now they would work for the development and prosperity of the country, especially Balochistan, he added.

Sattar Masoori said he went to Afghanistan in 2006 and spent most of his time in Nimruz province. He said the BRA had set up 20 to 30 camps in Sobatpur, Panjgur, Khuzdar, Dera Bugti and other areas.

He claimed that the Indian intelligence agency RAW and Afghanistan’s National Directorate of Security (NDS) were behind funding and training of the BRA militants. The RAW and NDS personnel trained BRA militants in its camps, he said, adding that providing arms and ammunition and transport were also their responsibility.

He said he and many other BRA militants had received training to carry out subversion activities in camps in the Afghan district of Spin Boldak and Nimruz. “I was commanding 20 camps of BRA in Dera Bugti,” Masoori Bugti said, adding that Najeebullah Bugti was responsible for camps in Chagai.


“We have abandoned fighting against the state and decided to serve our people by joining the mainstream,” he said.

The home minister said the government would provide financial help and protection to those militant leaders who had surrendered under the Puramn Balochistan package.

In Panjgur, a militant leader and 23 members of banned militant groups handed over their arms to the FC officials in the presence of Health Minister Rehmat Saleh Baloch Official sources identified the militant leader as Hamal. They said the 24 men who belonged to the BRA and the Baloch Liberation Army had announced that they were abandoning the armed struggle against the state and would join the mainstream.

Published in Dawn, August 18th, 2015
 
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Does these words translated into NDS actual success on the ground in their fight against TALIBAN ?

Former head of Afghan intelligence Amrullah Saleh was fired earlier this
year because of his opposition to the Karzai administration's efforts to
negotiate with the Taliban. He says a Taliban-friendly government would
mean Afghan rights are "violated fundamentally."



The Global Intelligence Files - AFGHANISTAN/CT/MIL- NPR interview with Amrullah Saleh

From the link you posted.

Why are we continuously calling the Taliban our
brothers= ? They are our killers. I don't need that type of brother. I am
not anti-peace. But I am anti-Talibanization of Afghanistan. We were
fighting the Taliban before NATO and if we see our history, our life, our
principles are compromised in a deal with the Taliban, we will fight
again.

His views regarding Afghan Taliban is exactly the same as your regarding the TTP
 
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From the link you posted.

Why are we continuously calling the Taliban our
brothers= ? They are our killers. I don't need that type of brother. I am
not anti-peace. But I am anti-Talibanization of Afghanistan. We were
fighting the Taliban before NATO and if we see our history, our life, our
principles are compromised in a deal with the Taliban, we will fight
again.

His views regarding Afghan Taliban is exactly the same as your regarding the TTP

But is NDS and Afghan army are as capable as Pakistan army and ISI to eradicate Afghan taliban and its affiliates from helmand to kunar ? while former is akin to N.Waziristan region and later is akin to Tirah mountainous regions where Amercia was forced to withdraw in 2010 !

What he did he spent his entire energies on propping up BLA and TTP. What good came out his strategy ?
 
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But is NDS and Afghan army are as capable as Pakistan army and ISI to eradicate Afghan taliban and its affiliates from helmand to kunar ? while former is akin to N.Waziristan region and later is akin to Tirah mountainous regions where Amercia was forced to withdraw in 2010 !

What he did he spent his entire energies on propping up BLA and TTP. What good came out his strategy ?
I don't know anything about BLA or TTP and saleh's links to them, If you can please post some reference material that I could educate myself with.
regards
 
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I don't know anything about BLA or TTP and saleh's links to them, If you can please post some reference material that I could educate myself with.
regards

Baloch rebelion began in 2005 when Saleh was chief of NDS. Musharraf accused both India and Afghanistan as early as in 2006 about their alleged role in propping up insurgency in Balochistan. Then NDS-TTP nexus emerged in 2012-2013 when they were caught meeting. Mullah faqeer TTP No.2 back in 2008-2009 said in his statement Afghanis have offered us weapons and financial support to fight against PA.

Saleh only purpose was to hurt Pakistan as much as he can while doing nothing to clear his own backyard. Bring back this guy if you are interested in not ending the conflict forever
 
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I don't know anything about BLA or TTP and saleh's links to them, If you can please post some reference material that I could educate myself with.
regards

you can read an interview by Brahamdag Bugti (to a Swiss journalist I think) -- in which he says that Amrullah Saleh "was like a brother to him" -- have the link somewhere.

I don't know anything about BLA or TTP and saleh's links to them, If you can please post some reference material that I could educate myself with.
regards

you can read an interview by Brahamdag Bugti (to a Swiss journalist I think) -- in which he says that Amrullah Saleh "was like a brother to him" -- have the link somewhere.
 
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First where is the evidence that the helicopters took off from Pakistan, secondly the US claimed (Whether true or not true) that it was an accident, and as a result we sealed off their supply line which cost them hundreds of millions, and received an apology which they initially declined to make (hardly an occupied entity akin to Afghanistan), as for the drone strikes well lets just say they target folks who are the enemies of the Pak military and certainly no freinds of Pakistan.

So more than 1000 Innocents people killed i numbers of Incidents was because of accidents. If there was no proof of helicopters took of from your soil than why did you not shoot them down when they were bombing your country?
 
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you can read an interview by Brahamdag Bugti (to a Swiss journalist I think) -- in which he says that Amrullah Saleh "was like a brother to him" -- have the link somewhere.



you can read an interview by Brahamdag Bugti (to a Swiss journalist I think) -- in which he says that Amrullah Saleh "was like a brother to him" -- have the link somewhere.
please post the link...

thanks
 
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Ummm Jinnah Sahib wasnt atheist - and his personal life is none of this northern alliance panjshiri prick's business.....he's just butt-hurt b/c Pakistan helped destroy his career and turned him into a caveman in hiding

oh - and this political movement he tried forming after he was fired as spy chief -- even "unsuccessful" wouldnt describe it. If he loves india so much he's probably better off and "safer" off moving there :laugh:

Saleh is a very impressive fellow. I have seen his talks on BBC and other reputed chennels. He has impressed me a lot. I have seen his discussion with his Pakistani counter parts on TV where he kicked The A$$es of Pakistani partcipant (One Ex general)

I'd love for you to show me where he did what you are desperately claiming....who got the last laugh? The retired Generals of Pakistan live dignified - this guy's career was ruined and he leaves behind what legacy other than twitter posts :rofl:
 
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please post the link...

thanks

I'll dig in my notes -- if I
please post the link...

thanks

This is what a little Googling lead to here

The actual story was published in a western publication -- but you can see Brahumdagh's own words.

The thing that surprises me is that without really doing doing due diligence how is it that folks can take such hard holier-than-thou positions.

It's beyond me.
 
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So more than 1000 Innocents people killed i numbers of Incidents was because of accidents. If there was no proof of helicopters took of from your soil than why did you not shoot them down when they were bombing your country?

Where did you get the number of 1000 innocents, the targets are acquired through ISI assets on the ground, buddy you should know that the TTP clowns have been heavily infiltrated by our agencies, ONLY TERRORISTS ARE TARGETED, as to why we did not shoot the helicopters down, well my dear chap our outpost was not issued with manpads because TTP has no air assets, after the salala incident most outposts as far as I am aware were issued with air defence equipment, this may have been curtailed now due to certain factors ie Nato cutting back on its air sorties, and due to the potential of TTP overrunning a post and capturing manpads that could be utilized against Pak Corbras.
 
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Where did you get the number of 1000 innocents,

From The article which stated that some where around 950 innocent killed in US bombing in Pakistan.

Rest of your post have is far away from any reality.

Even if I consider all of argument correct than it applies to Afghanistan also. If American forces bombing Pakistani soil does not make Pakistan an occupied country than same applies to Afghanistan also. Presence of foreign forces in Afghanistan does not make them an occupied country.
 
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From The article which stated that some where around 950 innocent killed in US bombing in Pakistan.

Rest of your post have is far away from any reality.

Even if I consider all of argument correct than it applies to Afghanistan also. If American forces bombing Pakistani soil does not make Pakistan an occupied country than same applies to Afghanistan also. Presence of foreign forces in Afghanistan does not make them an occupied country.


OH Hari, Hari, Hari you are correct Pakistan is in the same position of Afghanistan, we are an occupied state , the last I heard US army checkpoints all over Islamabad and right now outside of my window I have just seen a purple baboon munching on a king sized pizza, frankly speaking your pathetic nonsensical arguments are beginning to annoy me, we have been through this your just a troll.... do me a favor GO FIND ANOTHER PLAYMATE.
 
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From The article which stated that some where around 950 innocent killed in US bombing in Pakistan.

Rest of your post have is far away from any reality.

Even if I consider all of argument correct than it applies to Afghanistan also. If American forces bombing Pakistani soil does not make Pakistan an occupied country than same applies to Afghanistan also. Presence of foreign forces in Afghanistan does not make them an occupied country.

So if Pakistan occupies Kashmir, which is Indian territory, does that make India an occupied country as well?
 
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