Sever ties with India, Pakistan tells Afghanistan

[Serpentine]

Western hopes of leaving Afghanistan within reach of a peace deal when Nato troops pull out in 2014 are dimming, with planned negotiations in Qatar at a stalemate and Pakistan demanding that Afghanistan, for example, sever all ties with India in return for supporting the talks.

Is this real? Neither Pakistan nor any other country can tell Afghanistan with who it should have relations or not.It just doesn't make sense. Why on earth should Afghanistan cut diplomatic relations with India or other countries?

 

[StormShadow]

Is this real? Neither Pakistan nor any other country can tell Afghanistan with who it should have relations or not.It just doesn't make sense. Why on earth should Afghanistan cut diplomatic relations with India or other countries?

"Strategic Depth". A strong, stable and independent Afghanistan is not in pak's interest. They want Afghanistan to be a client state and tow pakistan's line and use militias against India and Indian interests. India is making great progress in pakistan with developmental works and winning Afghan's hearts which pakistan is unable to digest and becoming a pain in the @ss for the pakistans and hence the obvious reaction which is more of a frustration.

 

[Sedqal]

Is this real? Neither Pakistan nor any other country can tell Afghanistan with who it should have relations or not.It just doesn't make sense. Why on earth should Afghanistan cut diplomatic relations with India or other countries?

You are the one to talk, you armed northern alliance to teeth - where the heck was Afghanistan's sovereignty then?

 

[ExtraOdinary]

You are the one to talk, you armed northern alliance to teeth - where the heck was Afghanistan's sovereignty then?

You guys supported a mass murdering genocidal regime. Go read up on how they executed hazaras of mazar-e-sharif.

 

[haviZsultan]

Trying to order Afghanistan around has never worked nor will it work anymore. I have no clue what to do with that country to our north which constantly creates hurdles for us and considers us an enemy. When Pakistan supported the Afghans in the 1980's in order to see a Soviet defeat our leaders probably did not even imagine that it could have such repercursions. Today I have not met a single Afghan who doesn't partly or wholly blame Pakistan for its problems.

Approximately a year ago while I was writing my book Badal I dared to venture into an Afghan dominated forum. I seek to merge as a Pashtun and call myself one after Pakistani as they are some of the most misunderstood people on earth (often blamed for terror too though they are actually the victims), so I thought there would be a welcome and I would develop a market for my book. Instead all I found there was abuse for Pakistan, Pakistanis and Jinnah. Going there was really a traumatic experience.

But it still proved one thing. The Afghans hate us beyond hate. I think they are even worse than the Indians.

 

[Serpentine]

You are the one to talk, you armed northern alliance to teeth - where the heck was Afghanistan's sovereignty then?

Yes of course we did,but I wasn't talking about arming any sides, the fact is, we didn't force Afghanistan to cut its relations with any country, that's just absurd.Please don't change my words.

 

[Sashan]

You guys supported a mass murdering genocidal regime. Go read up on how they executed hazaras of mazar-e-sharif.

Not to mention the murdering of the Iranian diplomats when the Talibans captured Mazar-e-Sharif.

 

[NALANDA]

...and I am told again and again on this Forum that India is a bully.

I have never seen such a shameless bully around.

 

[Pandora]

Even without our intervention taliban will still going to kick all the indians out. Secondly pakistan is not acting alone as a lot of countries want a piece of afghan riches and i don't need to spell their name as it is very obvious.

 

[Vinod2070]

...and I am told again and again on this Forum that India is a bully.

I have never seen such a shameless bully around.

Actually it is desperation if you think of it.

 

[Sedqal]

You guys supported a mass murdering genocidal regime. Go read up on how they executed hazaras of mazar-e-sharif.

Your information is wrong, during soviet/ Afghan war these groups were united against one common enemy afterwards Iran used its Persia connection and made an alliance against Pashtoons (great game). 'Mass murdering' etc lose their meaning when NGOs which blamed Talibans have pointedly asserted that warlords of NA are worse then Talibans in human right violations.

You should actually read some serious books written about post soviet Afghanistan.

Yes of course we did,but I wasn't talking about arming any sides, the fact is, we didn't force Afghanistan to cut its relations with any country, that's just absurd.Please don't change my words.

Afghanistan lost its sovereignty the moment you armed one specific group (which by chance speak Persian and which by chance are majority Shi'ite). What you did was far worse then trying to diplomatically use your influence for a favorable position. Pakistan has a sizable Pashtoon population which for centuries has been linked with Pashtoons in Afghanistan. What did you think was going to happen after you gang up on Pashtoon segment?

 

[INDIC]

How is it baseless in the first place ? Your presence there is not in our interests , why should we allow for that to continue ?

Despite the hostility which was started by the Afghans in the first place , we still provide food and almost everything from the transit route , play host to 3 million refugees and provide training .

It were Arabs and America who paid for Afghan refugees, not Pakistan. Pakistan has no right to ask Afghanistan to sever any relation with any country.

Do you know the history of Afghanistan-Pakistan relation before Soviet-Afghan war. In 1955, Afghans even ransacked Pakistan Embassy in Kabul when NWFP province was dissolved to form one unit. Indians had never been unwanted people in Afghanistan, they always have dislike for Pakistan, not the Indians.

 

[Serpentine]

Your information is wrong, during soviet/ Afghan war these groups were united against one common enemy afterwards Iran used its Persia connection and made an alliance against Pashtoons (great game). 'Mass murdering' etc lose their meaning when NGOs which blamed Talibans have pointedly asserted that warlords of NA are worse then Talibans in human right violations.

I'm interested to see you proofs and documents for this claim.

Prove to me that it was Iran who armed NA against Pashtuns,first.Sir, we are in internet and information age, people can easily search on internet and get their facts.Let's read a brief history pf NA and Taliban:

NA:

The Afghan Northern Alliance, officially known as the United Islamic Front for the Salvation of Afghanistan (Persian: ‏ جبهه متحد اسلامی ملی برای نجات افغانستان‎ - Jabha-yi Muttahid-i Islami-yi Milli bara-yi Nijat-i Afghanistan), was a military front that came to formation in late 1996 after the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan (Taliban) took over Kabul. The United Front was assembled by key leaders of the Islamic State of Afghanistan, particularly president in exile Burhanuddin Rabbani and former Defense Minister Ahmad Shah Massoud. Initially it included mostly Tajiks but by 2000, leaders of other ethnic groups had joined the Northern Alliance. This included Abdul Rashid Dostum, Mohammad Mohaqiq, Abdul Qadir, Sayed Hussein Anwari and others.
The Northern Alliance fought a defensive war against the Taliban government. They received support from Iran, Russia, India, Tajikistan and others, while the Taliban were backed by al-Qaeda and Pakistan Armed Forces. The Northern Alliance was mostly made up of ethnic Tajiks, but later included Uzbeks, Hazaras, and Pashtuns. The Taliban government was dominated by Pashtuns with other groups being the minority. After the US-led invasion and establishment of the Karzai administration in late 2001, the Northern Alliance broke apart and different political parties were formed.

Taliban:

The Taliban (Pashto: طالبان‎ ṭālibān "students"), alternative spelling Taleban, is an Islamic fundamentalist political movement in Afghanistan. It spread into Afghanistan and formed a government, ruling as the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan from September 1996 until December 2001, with Kandahar as the capital. However, it gained diplomatic recognition from only three states: Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates. Mohammed Omar has been serving as the spiritual leader of the Taliban since 1994.
While in power, it enforced its strict interpretation of Sharia law, and leading Muslims have been highly critical of the Taliban's interpretations of Islamic law. The Taliban were condemned internationally for their brutal treatment of women.The majority of the Taliban are made up of Pashtun tribesmen. The Taliban's leaders were influenced by Deobandi fundamentalism,[14] and many also strictly follow the social and cultural norm called Pashtunwali.
From 1995-2001, the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence and military are widely alleged by the international community to have provided support to the Taliban. Their connections are possibly through Harkat-ul-Mujahideen, a terrorist group founded by Sami ul Haq. Pakistan has been accused by many international officials of continuing to support the Taliban today, but Pakistan claims to have dropped all support for the group since 9/11. Al Qaeda also supported the Taliban with regiments of imported fighters from Arab countries and Central Asia. Saudi Arabia provided financial support. The Taliban and their allies committed massacres against Afghan civilians, denied UN food supplies to 160,000 starving civilians and conducted a policy of scorched earth burning vast areas of fertile land and destroying tens of thousands of homes during their rule from 1996-2001. Hundreds of thousands of people were forced to flee to United Front-controlled territory, Pakistan, and Iran.
After the attacks of September 11, 2001 the Taliban were overthrown by the American-led invasion of Afghanistan. Later it regrouped as an insurgency movement to fight the American-backed Karzai administration and the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF). The Taliban have been accused of using terrorism as a specific tactic to further their ideological and political goals. According to the United Nations, the Taliban and their allies were responsible for 75% of Afghan civilian casualties in 2010, 80% in 2011, and 80% in 2012. It is widely believed that the city of Quetta in Pakistan serves as Quetta Shura's headquarter.

In 1992, the Afghan political parties agreed on the Peshawar Accords which established the Islamic State of Afghanistan and appointed an interim government. Militia leader Gulbuddin Hekmatyar was opposed to the agreement and with Pakistani support started a bombardment campaign against Kabul.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

May Allah protect Gulbadeen Hikmatyar and Mullah Omar...

 

[Secur]

It were Arabs and America who paid for Afghan refugees, not Pakistan. Pakistan has no right to ask Afghanistan to sever any relation with any country.

Do you know the history of Afghanistan-Pakistan relation before Soviet-Afghan war. In 1955, Afghans even ransacked Pakistan Embassy in Kabul when NWFP province was dissolved to form one unit. Indians had never been unwanted people in Afghanistan, they always have dislike for Pakistan, not the Indians.

Did they pay the money for their whole time spent in Pakistan which is indefinite ? The money was provided when they needed our assistance , it isn't given any longer ... Islamabad provides that country with food , drugs and other essentials and hence has the right to ask it for anything that isn't in Pakistan's interests ... They want our help for talks , not the other way around , so go figure that now ... Why should we do it for free looking at what they have reciprocated whilst taking our assistance in every field and specially something in which we can really help them ? Why should we not take this chance to make them stop anti Pakistan activity from their soil ?

I know it from the start , that invasion of Bajaur was carried out well before 1955 , the incident you mentioned only proves my point of Afghan hostility towards Pakistan due to an agreement signed by their late Amir with the British but still we provide them with almost everything necessary for their survival , some unthankful people they are ...