Seducing Pakistan

[venu309]

lol, India does more trade with China than India does with Pakistan or China does with Pakistan.

Does that mean the Chinese like India more than Pakistan?

You have a strange logic. Nobody is talking about liking or not liking, it is just a convenient business relation. You are welcome to your opinion, but in the practical world all countries will weigh their options before they make any move. Most of them would be very generous with their lip service, but when it comes to real action then they will look at the gains & losses.

 

[satishkumarcsc]

Just one question....Talk to whom? Who holds the real power in Pakistan? How to take things forward? I still have no clue who actually holds power there? Is it the army? ISI? or the Civilian government? It is too unconvincing for me.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

You have a strange logic. Nobody is talking about liking or not liking, it is just a convenient business relation. You are welcome to your opinion, but in the practical world all countries will weigh their options before they make any move. Most of them would be very generous with their lip service, but when it comes to real action then they will look at the gains & losses.

Everyone does a cost/benefit analysis, this is true.

However, this analysis is done from several different viewpoints. The costs and benefits for the CPC, for example are in many cases very different to the costs and benefits that other governments use.

Then, try doing a cost/benefit analysis from the viewpoint of a militant (from Al-qaeda for example) who is intent on killing himself to achieve his purpose. The costs and benefits to him are not economic at all, and even his own earthly survival is irrelevent.

And the most difficult of all, are those who are insane. Because there is no train of logic at all.

 

[Omar1984]

indians are obsessed about Pakistan.

Pakistanis dont care about india.

 

[venu309]

Everyone does a cost/benefit analysis, this is true.

However, this analysis is done from several different viewpoints. The costs and benefits for the CPC, for example are in many cases very different to the costs and benefits that other governments use.

Then, try doing a cost/benefit analysis from the viewpoint of a militant (from Al-qaeda for example) who is intent on killing himself to achieve his purpose. The costs and benefits to him are not economic at all, and even his own earthly survival is irrelevent.

Agreed, but then he is a militant & that's what his final aim is. But here we are talking about countries & that too economically & financially strong countries who view the whole world as their market.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Agreed, but then he is a militant & that's what his final aim is. But here we are talking about countries & that too economically & financially strong countries who view the whole world as their market.

National Governments often have very different viewpoints of what constitutes a cost and a benefit.

Authoritarian governments for example are much more sensitive to "losing face" in front of their people (my own government included). And even democratic governments often have different viewpoints from each other... Switzerland and Nigeria are both democracies for instance, yet you could not find two countries that are more different.

Some governments like North Korea do not necessarily want economic success, despite China constantly trying to nudge them towards economic reform like we did. Some Governments seem to prioritize strategic goals over economic ones, the current American government for example.

I feel it is dangerous to assess other nation-states without understanding their motivations and fears, two factors which vary enormously between every different country. The Chinese government in particular is hard to understand, because our system is almost entirely unique to our own country.

 

[livingdead]

Everyone does a cost/benefit analysis, this is true.

However, this analysis is done from several different viewpoints. The costs and benefits for the CPC, for example are in many cases very different to the costs and benefits that other governments use.

Then, try doing a cost/benefit analysis from the viewpoint of a militant (from Al-qaeda for example) who is intent on killing himself to achieve his purpose. The costs and benefits to him are not economic at all, and even his own earthly survival is irrelevent.

And the most difficult of all, are those who are insane. Because there is no train of logic at all.

We are talking about sane govts not al qaida. Just to continue from last page, compared to North Korea, pakistan is more open to dialogues and has been quite "understanding" to our interest.
In other word pakistan with many nuclear weapon < north korea with few nuclear weapon < al qaida with one nuclear weapon.

To pakshah , please read the chain of posts before replying, I may be agreeing with you.
The "business" I was talking about was in contrast with koreans, and it constituted all interactions(people to people, exchange of commodities etc)
I hasten to add( as a disclaimer, to fray your nerves), we are not same, just that I would prefer pakistan to North Korea.(as a neighbour, before you understand something else)

 

[Bang Galore]

Just one question....Talk to whom? Who holds the real power in Pakistan? How to take things forward? I still have no clue who actually holds power there? Is it the army? ISI? or the Civilian government? It is too unconvincing for me.

Which is why you talk without expecting anything to change. Just have to wait, maybe forever for some point where we reach a mutually acceptable solution. In the meantime, work as hard as we can to insulate India as much as possible from the Pakistani situation. No good news here I'm afraid.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

We are talking about sane govts not al qaida. Just to continue from last page, compared to North Korea, pakistan is more open to dialogues and has been quite "understanding" to our interest.
In other word pakistan with many nuclear weapon < north korea with few nuclear weapon < al qaida with one nuclear weapon.

To pakshah , please read the chain of posts before replying, I may be agreeing with you.
The "business" I was talking about was in contrast with koreans, and it constituted all interactions(people to people, exchange of commodities etc)
I hasten to add( as a disclaimer, to fray your nerves), we are not same, just that I would prefer pakistan to North Korea.(as a neighbour, before you understand something else)

I thought your biggest threat was non-state groups like LeT and the Maoists? Especially when nuclear weapons are involved.

Certainly their cost/benefit analysis is closer to Al-qaeda, than it is to the cost/benefit analysis of a typical nation-state.