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  • China’s SMIC used ASML’s less-advanced DUV machines together with tools from other companies to make Huawei’s 5G-capable chip, sources say
  • ASML will be restricted from January to ship some of its most advanced DUV lithography machines to China
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Huawei Technologies’ Mate 60 series smartphones displayed at the company’s flagship store in Beijing

China’s Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp (SMIC) used equipment from ASML Holding to manufacture an advanced processor for Huawei Technologies' new 5G smartphones that alarmed the US, according to people familiar with the matter.
In a suggestion that export restrictions on Europe’s most valuable tech company may have come too late to stem China’s advances in chip making, ASML’s so-called immersion deep ultraviolet (DUV) machines were used in combination with tools from other companies to make the chip for Huawei, the people said, asking not to be identified discussing information that is not public.
ASML declined to comment. There is no suggestion that their sales violated export restrictions.

The firm’s shares dropped as much as 2.1 per cent in Amsterdam after the report, and were trading 0.6 per cent lower at €558.5 (US$591) apiece as of 3.54pm local time.

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The ASML global headquarters in Veldhoven, Netherlands. Photo: Bloomberg

The US has been working with Japan and the Netherlands to prevent China from accessing advanced semiconductor technology of the kind demonstrated in the 7-nanometre chip that powers Huawei’s Mate 60 Pro series to curb the country’s technological advancement and prevent it from gaining a military edge.

Despite those broad restrictions, Huawei surprised the world in August when it quietly introduced its new 5G smartphone with a cutting-edge processor. A teardown of the device conducted by TechInsights for Bloomberg News revealed the chip was produced by SMIC, demonstrating manufacturing capabilities well beyond where the US had sought to stop China’s advance.

That prompted questions both about how SMIC was able to manufacture the chip, and the effectiveness of the Washington-led controls. SMIC did not respond to a request for comment.

ASML occupies a pivotal role in the global chip supply chain. It has a monopoly on advanced extreme ultraviolet lithography systems, or EUVs, that are indispensable to the production of the most cutting-edge chips, and it also supplies the DUV machines needed to make more mature semiconductors.

ASML has never been able to sell its EUV machines to China because of export restrictions. But less-advanced DUV models can be retooled with deposition and etching gear to produce 7-nm and possibly even more advanced chips, according to industry analysts. The process is much more expensive than using EUV, making it very difficult to scale production in a competitive market environment.

In China, however, the government is willing to shoulder a significant portion of chip-making costs. Chinese companies have been legally stockpiling DUV gear for years – especially after the US introduced its initial export controls last year before getting Japan and the Netherlands on board.

Pressure from President Joe Biden’s administration pushed the Dutch government last summer to announce plans to prohibit ASML from shipping three out of four of its most advanced-model immersion DUV lithography machines, its second-most capable category of machinery, to China without a licence. ASML is still able to export those products to China at the moment but the shipments will be prohibited from January.

According to an investor presentation published by the company last week, ASML experienced a jump in business from China this year as chip makers there boosted orders ahead of the export controls taking full effect in 2024. China accounted for 46 per cent of ASML’s sales in the third quarter, compared with 24 per cent in the previous quarter and 8 per cent in the three months ending in March.

New controls that the Biden administration announced this month further limit the exports of DUV machines.

The regulations use a unilateral authority called a de minimis rule to control the sale of specified foreign-made lithography machines that contain any amount of American materials, said Stephen Bartenstein and Peter Lichtenbaum, export control specialists at law firm Covington & Burling, without commenting on the companies affected.

ASML chief executive Peter Wennink told investors last week that together, the new US and Dutch curbs will affect up to 15 per cent of the firm’s sales in China.

Under the new rules, ASML can still ship its less advanced NXT:1980Di machine to Chinese facilities that make older chips, according to Wennink. But it cannot sell to fabs that produce semiconductors near the cutting edge.
That rule affects ASML shipments to six fabs in China, according to people familiar the matter – including one SMIC facility. It is unclear whether that is the facility that produced the 7-nm chip for Huawei, and the US Bureau of Industry and Security did not respond to questions on the matter.

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A Huawei flagship store in Shanghai. Photo: Bloomberg

 
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Modified ASML DUV machine to be precise.

Because the original machine is not capable of producing 7nm chips.

Theoretically, it says ASML DUV machine can be pushed to produce down to 5nm,

And that is the limit.
 
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But less-advanced DUV models can be retooled with deposition and etching gear to produce 7-nm and possibly even more advanced chips, according to industry analysts. The process is much more expensive than using EUV, making it very difficult to scale production in a competitive market environment.
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Errrr. Not entirely true.
 
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So China didn't come up with it's own EUV machines.
 
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Modified ASML DUV machine to be precise.

Because the original machine is not capable of producing 7nm chips.

Theoretically, it says ASML DUV machine can be pushed to produce down to 5nm,

And that is the limit.

That's more than enough, the ROI of going even more miniature is extremely less, as evidenced by the latest 3NM TSMC. Huge cost, only fractional benefit. In any case 99% of use cases can be supported by 5nm. Auto, AI doesn't need more than 7nm chips, industrial application barely needs anything more than 28nm, military application usually works on mature older platforms. Intel laptop chips are still @7nm. 5nm will be sufficient for next few years, enough to give time to tooling companies to invest time in research. What's more important is cost and domestic supply chain.
 
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So China didn't come up with it's own EUV machines.

Shhh...you'll make them cry...just let them keep thinking they did...glass hearts you know....just repeat...everything was indigenous with Chinese brainpower...triumph over the West...everything was indigenous...everything was indigenous...relax...everything fine now. Phew that was close!
 
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If someone got the chip IP and process integration, the profit margin is exhorbitant even discounting the inefficiencies of DUV in producing 5nm.

Veritically Companies like Intel if they fired all inefficient Hindus and replace them with Huawei engineers, profit margin could be 20x. That means your cost can be 50 cent and you sell 10 dollar.

That is also provided, you have a big customer base to spread the R&D.

From the way I see, Mate60 Kirin 9000s will be producing at least 100 millions in life time, selling as low as 50 USD per chip.

Assuming 1 dollar goes to the R&D for each unit, Huawei will recover R&D cost and still make a handsome profit (R&D BU for this product line will be making 100 millions USD).
 
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Shhh...you'll make them cry...just let them keep thinking they did...glass hearts you know....just repeat...everything was indigenous with Chinese brainpower...triumph over the West...everything was indigenous...everything was indigenous...relax...everything fine now. Phew that was close!

But but the US said China couldn't do it even with older machines, that's why the ban. Lolololol
 
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But but the US said China couldn't do it even with older machines, that's why the ban. Lolololol
Shh.. don't let Raimando know that older upgraded DUV like model 1980fi can manufactur 7nm with 95% yield and can be cheaper than using expensive EUV.
 
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But but the US said China couldn't do it even with older machines, that's why the ban. Lolololol

but..but..looky here aren't you forgetting something...ASML already said it could be done.

Nov 5, 2020
The mask aligner manufacturing giant ASML is present at the ongoing 3rd China Import Expo, and is exhibiting the DUV mask aligner at its own booth, Chinese media reported.

ASML did not show its new EUV mask aligner because it is not yet able to export EUV mask aligners to China, while the DUV mask aligner on display is capable of producing 7nm and above process chips.

ASML also brought its total lithography solution, including advanced control capabilities of the mask aligner table for computational lithography and measurement to improve edge positioning accuracy through modeling, simulation, and analysis.

Shh.. don't let Raimando know that older upgraded DUV like model 1980fi can manufactur 7nm with 95% yield and can be cheaper than using expensive EUV.

Then..shhh..then make sure to tell Huawei that they were stupid to be out of the market for so long when they could have been making 7nm chips years ago cheaper with the DUV machines China already has instead of waiting for expensive EUV machines. All those years of lost revenue for nothing. Incompetent upper management.
 
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but..but..looky here aren't you forgetting something...ASML already said it could be done.

Nov 5, 2020




Then..shhh..then make sure to tell Huawei that they were stupid to be out of the market for so long when they could have been making 7nm chips years ago cheaper with the DUV machines China already has instead of waiting for expensive EUV machines. All those years of lost revenue for nothing. Incompetent upper management.
Please immediately ban the export of all ASML machines to China. Thanks.😂

Then..shhh..then make sure to tell Huawei that they were stupid to be out of the market for so long when they could have been making 7nm chips years ago cheaper with the DUV machines China already has instead of waiting for expensive EUV machines. All those years of lost revenue for nothing. Incompetent upper management.
Then. 5 years of sanctions and blockade. The United States still cannot stop Huawei from making 7nm chips.😂

Huawei vs US. America loses.😂
 
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but..but..looky here aren't you forgetting something...ASML already said it could be done.

Nov 5, 2020




Then..shhh..then make sure to tell Huawei that they were stupid to be out of the market for so long when they could have been making 7nm chips years ago cheaper with the DUV machines China already has instead of waiting for expensive EUV machines. All those years of lost revenue for nothing. Incompetent upper management.
But but US said Chinese can't do it. That's the point of the sanctions isn't it? Lol

Shh.. don't let Raimando know that older upgraded DUV like model 1980fi can manufactur 7nm with 95% yield and can be cheaper than using expensive EUV.
It's ok, Hamartia think US is stronk when they can't even make lithography machines. Basically they had to force their vassals.
 
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But but US said Chinese can't do it. That's the point of the sanctions isn't it? Lol

Where did the US say that?

The US didn't want EUV lithography technology sent to China.

It's ok, Hamartia think US is stronk when they can't even make lithography machines.

The machines are made with parts from several companies..many of which are US (not China BTW :enjoy: ) which is why we can restrict the machine's sales.

Basically they had to force their vassals.

LOL! Maybe because unlike China we don't have a perpetual us-against-the-world syndrome.
 
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