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Science's 'Replication Crisis' Has Reached Even The Most Respectable Journals, Report Shows

It is not about courses or their titles ...every university rather professor is free to make any course ... the system I stated is the Bologna System which sets the guide lines like European Credit Transfer System (ECTS) for equivalence ..so ... It is not about individual course but equivalence of the degrees and programs..
ECTS is a system used all over the EU....However, what I am talking about is courses ...Like you said each prof can choose whatever courses to run....HENCE, not every faculty/ university offers Philosophy of Science as a course and it has nothing to do with the equivalence! Equivalence is based on each credit hr....So it can be for any and every course but that doesnt mean that every course in every uni is the same!
 
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ECTS is a system used all over the EU....However, what I am talking about is courses ...Like you said each prof can choose whatever courses to run....HENCE, not every faculty/ university offers Philosophy of Science as a course and it has nothing to do with the equivalence! Equivalence is based on each credit hr....So it can be for any and every course but that doesnt mean that every course in every uni is the same!
Hey bhai,
The PhD curriculum is not defined by a professor...rather the school / university and all the universities in Sweden have philosophy of science as a compulsory subject for all PhD curriculums...at least in the sciences. But I can't for sure about arts / social sciences though I think there is some equivalent course in Philosophy.
Rest of the courses in a PhD depends on the subject and the supervisor. But a few courses are compulsory and Philosophy is one of them.
 
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There is a bigger issue at work here. We are calling 'Social Science' as a Science. It is more of a marketing gimmick. Social Science is not 'Science' in the same sense as Natural Science. I will call it Social Studies in the same sense Gender Studies is a thing.

Natural science constructs models of the natural world and helps us to understand it. Social studies tries to construct same for 'society' but fails miserably at it. The horror in the otherwise comic situation is that politicians and bureaucrats use these 'Sciences' for policy making and we get really f'ed up laws.

India is a prime example of it. I heard politicians are still using surveys from 1920s to push for caste based reservation in education and government jobs.
Yes but even we Natural scientists have a 0.95 confidence or sometimes 0.99 but never 100 ;)

On top of that we have models but we also have "unique" phenomena...For instance in plant science we use Arabidopsis as a model for everything...HOWEVER, Arabidopsis is an annual plant while MOST commercial plants are perennial hence, even if the genes are similar, MANY a times they function differently...So models are not absolute....they may help only so far!

As for social sciences...To update you there is NOW a bridge between the two and it is being taught as a course at universities under the interdisciplinary course section...

I took a few like Human geography, Introduction to ecosystem services and conservation of genetic resources....These are some of the courses that I took which were kind of bridging the two fields...HOWEVER, I do understand that the methods used and the analysis of results varies significantly between the 2 "sciences".

all the universities in Sweden
And that is probably for Sweden....You can not apply the same "model" for all of EU!
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Hey bhai,
The PhD curriculum is not defined by a professor...rather the school / university and all the universities in Sweden have philosophy of science as a compulsory subject for all PhD curriculums...at least in the sciences. But I can't for sure about arts / social sciences though I think there is some equivalent course in Philosophy.
Rest of the courses in a PhD depends on the subject and the supervisor. But a few courses are compulsory and Philosophy is one of them.
Let me explain something there is the university laid courses, the PhD program which offers courses, there is the school that offers the courses then there is the faculty which offers courses ...HOWEVER, it is not a universal truth that ALL universities in EU take Philosophy of Science....Like I said for my university...there is a compulsion on research ethics that you have to do some 2 ECTs on it and there are various courses in Ethics that you can fill these 2 ECT with!

I think it is because my PhD program is not as planned out as some Universities in UK have. We have a broad choice to choose whatever, you just need to fill x number of ECT in y categories :p:
 
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Let me explain something there is the university laid courses, the PhD program which offers courses, there is the school that offers the courses then there is the faculty which offers courses ...HOWEVER, it is not a universal truth that ALL universities in EU take Philosophy of Science....Like I said for my university...there is a compulsion on research ethics that you have to do some 2 ECTs on it and there are various courses in Ethics that you can fill these 2 ECT with!
In Sweden Philosophy of science 7.5 ECTS at level 3 (i.e. doctoral level course) is compulsory...you have to study all funny terms like Epistemology, Ontology and blah blah ... Materialism, Idealism...Kuhn's that and this ...
 
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In Sweden Philosophy of science 7.5 ECTS at level 3 (i.e. doctoral level course) is compulsory...you have to study all funny terms like Epistemology, Ontology and blah blah ... Materialism, Idealism...Kuhn's that and this ...
O dear! Thank god I didnt do that...

I know my colleague from Italy was stating Philosophy is a must course in PhD in Italy....SO every country differs of what they offer and how they shape their students :)
 
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O dear! Thank god I didnt do that...

I know my colleague from Italy was stating Philosophy is a must course in PhD in Italy....SO every country differs of what they offer and how they shape their students :)
Uncle yehi tu ma keh raha tha iti dair se.... :undecided:
 
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Yes but even we Natural scientists have a 0.95 confidence or sometimes 0.99 but never 100 ;)
Its not the issue of 'confidence' as it is the issue of lack of fundamental tools to model reality. Example to model the path of projectile, we have tools like calculus in natural science. Now try modelling decision of a population regarding choice of leader. Surveys fail because you cann't trust people to truthfully answer question. Heck people don't even do it consciously. They say and reply in one way and act in another. Try modelling that. This is why social science is no science but only imitation.

I remember vividly Nate Silver's statistical models on modelling the US election and each time he predicted Hillary's victory based on polls and surveys, I wondered, why will anyone say a loud that they want to vote for someone like Trump. And they did say that or even truthfully responded to these surveys. But in the real election they did what they wanted. And journalists and everyone was really really screeching from the top of their voices about how it has been proved that Hillary is going to win because of this social-science based research.

On top of that we have models but we also have "unique" phenomena...For instance in plant science we use Arabidopsis as a model for everything...HOWEVER, Arabidopsis is an annual plant while MOST commercial plants are perennial hence, even if the genes are similar, MANY a times they function differently...So models are not absolute....they may help only so far!
The issue is not the science being perfect. It is far from it. Issue is 'Social Science' is what we call 'Not even wrong'. Social scientists simply do not have the right tools to understand the problems or reality they are trying to model. And they don't even admit it. They are trying to fit and use the tools which work for natural science into a domain which is much different.


As for social sciences...To update you there is NOW a bridge between the two and it is being taught as a course at universities under the interdisciplinary course section...

I took a few like Human geography, Introduction to ecosystem services and conservation of genetic resources....These are some of the courses that I took which were kind of bridging the two fields...HOWEVER, I do understand that the methods used and the analysis of results varies significantly between the 2 "sciences".
This is exactly the problem. We do not exactly need the bridge between science and social science. Or shall I say social studies. We should not try to fit a round peg in square hole. I don't know how we will be able to understand society or social phenomenons well, but surely applying tools from natural science directly into social studies is not the way foreward. There needs to be a fundamental research into understanding these social phenomenons.
 
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Its not the issue of 'confidence' as it is the issue of lack of fundamental tools to model reality. Example to model the path of projectile, we have tools like calculus in natural science. Now try modelling decision of a population regarding choice of leader. Surveys fail because you cann't trust people to truthfully answer question. Heck people don't even do it consciously. They say and reply in one way and act in another. Try modelling that. This is why social science is no science but only imitation.
Like I said I do understand the differences in methods and analyzing results...

I remember vividly Nate Silver's statistical models on modelling the US election and each time he predicted Hillary's victory based on polls and surveys, I wondered, why will anyone say a loud that they want to vote for someone like Trump. And they did say that or even truthfully responded to these surveys. But in the real election they did what they wanted. And journalists and everyone was really really screeching from the top of their voices about how it has been proved that Hillary is going to win because of this social-science based research.

That is why I dont like surveys but social science isnt all on surveys they do have other ways/ methods...though surveys play huge roles!

The issue is not the science being perfect. It is far from it. Issue is 'Social Science' is what we call 'Not even wrong'. Social scientists simply do not have the right tools to understand the problems or reality they are trying to model. And they don't even admit it. They are trying to fit and use the tools which work for natural science into a domain which is much different.
Human behaviour is strange and you can not factor in all the choices...

However, you will also see scientists sometimes needing to retract papers and sometimes replication doesnt produce the same results....and even when you sit in science journal clubs/discussions you can hear people saying xyz shouldn't be used as a replicate and so and so statistics shouldnt be used.....

In my opinion the problem clearly isnt the scientific papers themselves so much as the magazines that overstate the science! You will remember articles during the human genome project stating stuff like now we know the genome we have the key to life....and other BS statements...THESE type of open statements cause more harm in Science then the research itself!

This is exactly the problem. We do not exactly need the bridge between science and social science. Or shall I say social studies.

I disagree...You do need to bridge the 2 otherwise you will always get the same "pseudoscience" being published and people buying it and actually standing up in court and saying BS like my hormones made me kill or my genetics made me a murderer...

I don't know how we will be able to understand society or social phenomenons well, but surely applying tools from natural science directly into social studies is not the way foreward. There needs to be a fundamental research into understanding these social phenomenons.
I dont think you even understood the courses...You see keeping a narrow mind isnt going to lead you anywhere...

I do think there needs to be a bridge..and no, not all fields of social science relies on surveys and some of these courses are a must to get into industry where say the job wants you to deal with stakeholders, locals...how are you going to understand that using your science brain only? Man is a social animal he/she needs both sides to be groomed!
 
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Science's 'Replication Crisis' Has Reached Even The Most Respectable Journals, Report Shows
This could be a good thing - here's why.
MIKE MCRAE
27 AUG 2018

An attempt to replicate the findings of 21 social science experiments published in two high-profile science journals has thrown up a red flag for reliability in research.

The question of just how much trust we should put into one-off studies isn't new. But there's a silver lining to the so-called Reproducibility Crisis we need to keep in mind – this is an opportunity we simply cannot afford to miss.

Several years ago, the focus was on psychology and the uncomfortable discovery that many influential psychological studies didn't always come to the same conclusion when replicated.

Other scientific fields have since followed. The Experimental Economics Replication Project redid 18 experiments published in two key economics journals between 2011 and 2014, finding a significant match in results for just 11 of them.

A project run by the US Centre for Open Science and Science Exchange has been slowly redoing key experiments in cancer research, discovering similar challenges when it comes to replicating past results with a 40 percent success rate.

This time a team of researchers led by the California Institute of Technology have turned their attention to the social sciences, systematically selecting papers published between 2010 and 2015 in the journals Nature and Science, and repeating their methods.

There was one small change they made to the protocols – in each case, the size of the sample they tested was roughly five times larger, seriously boosting their power.

Science and Nature are the big guns of the peer-review world. Researchers who get their papers into these two journals know their work is not only going to be read by more people, but they're going to be trusted.

But is this trust always warranted?

For 13 experiments, the researchers found a conclusion that fell more or less in line with that of the original study. They determined an agreement of between 57 and 67 percent, depending on how you define 'agree'.

Taking the size of the effects into account, the results were on average 50 percent weaker. So while most of the repeated studies pointed in the same direction as the original, the originals often oversold their conclusions.

Only four papers were selected from Nature, but the team was able to replicate three of those. They were unable to replicate seven of the seventeen studies from the journal Science.

Before we get fingers wagging, we need to put all of this into context.

Failing to replicate a finding does not make the original finding wrong. It does leave us in a precarious situation, open to questioning the results and reducing our confidence in their usefulness.

An inability to come to the same conclusions also doesn't completely invalidate the data itself. Context is everything, and a different conclusion might not make the data or even some of the findings bad.

Interestingly, none of this is news to the social science community. A survey conducted by the research team found they were able to reliably predict which papers would be replicated and which wouldn't.

This suggests the scientific community has the critical thinking skills that help them take some studies with a grain of salt where necessary.

Still, it's clear there's plenty of room for improvement. And this goes for the big journals as much as the smaller, more niche publications.

The findings can help us improve the methodologies we use to design and carry out experiments, or find better ways to report their significance.

Where two studies completely disagree, there's every possibility that a latent independent variable is responsible for the conflict.

This shadowy influence lurking just out of sight could be the key to understanding a phenomenon. Far from poor science, an inability to replicate just might point the way to new science.

To take advantage of this, we need to take a hard look at the way we fund and carry out scientific research. Replicating everything might not be feasible, but how do we prioritise the ones we could get the most benefit out of repeating?

Some researchers have suggested changes to how we report on statistical significance, setting stricter boundaries that could rule out less convincing conclusions before they're ever published.

Others argue we need to register our intent to publish before we finish a study, removing the temptation to file away experiments that don't seem to be going as planned, providing a more accurate view of the research landscape.

The answers are out there, and science is stronger for asking these hard questions.

Forget calling it a crisis. This is the Reproducibility Opportunity, and we're hoping some good things come of it.

This research was published in Nature Human Behaviour.

https://www.sciencealert.com/replication-results-reproducibility-crisis-science-nature-journals

Nice comeback...HOWEVER, the lack of ability to replicate an experiment can actually destroy a scientist's career!

Clickbait troll thread. Sociology , psychology and economics isnt the same as physics, mathematics chemisty etc. these are always subjective to a certain extend. Yes it is Science, since study of anything is a science. Science is called ( translated ) "ilm" in ourdu and religious zealots never choose to recognize it as such.

aside from that , the entire purpose of publishing articles is so that they can peer reviewed so people can see if there is discrepency in it. If its not replicable, the original publishers are told to go try again and come back with better results. Science isnt in danger.
 
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Clickbait troll thread. Sociology , psychology and economics isnt the same as physics, mathematics chemisty etc. these are always subjective to a certain extend. Yes it is Science, since study of anything is a science. Science is called ( translated ) "ilm" in ourdu and religious zealots never choose to recognize it as such.

aside from that , the entire purpose of publishing articles is so that they can peer reviewed so people can see if there is discrepency in it. If its not replicable, the original publishers are told to go try again and come back with better results. Science isnt in danger.
Go write to Nature :coffee:
 
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