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Saudi general: 'If Netanyahu accepts the Arab Peace Initiative, we’ll open an embassy in Israel'

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Anwar Eshki, a retired Major General in the Saudi army said in an interview with AL-Jazeera that he opposes arming the Palestinians, "like Iran does," because it will be counterproductive.

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Comments by well-connect former major-general in the Saudi military who said Tuesday that Riyadh would establish an embassy in Israel if it accepted the 2002 Arab Peace Initiative failed to elicit an official response from Jerusalem.
Anwar Eshki, who met publicly in June with Dore Gold just before the latter was appointed director-general of the Foreign Ministry, was asked during an Al Jazeera interview how long it would be before Saudi Arabia would open an embassy in Israel “You can ask Mr. Netanyahu,” Eshki replied. “If he announces that he accepts the initiative and gives all rights to Palestinians, Saudi Arabia will start to make an embassy in Tel Aviv.”

The Prime Minister’s Office had no response.
The 2002 Arab Peace Initiative called for a two-state solution based on an Israeli withdrawal to the pre-1967 armistice lines and making east Jerusalem the Palestinian capital in return for “normal relations in the context of a comprehensive peace with Israel.”
The initiative also called for the “achievement of a just solution to the Palestinian refugee problem to be agreed upon in accordance with UN General Assembly Resolution 194.”
In the Arab world, that resolution is viewed as enshrining a Palestinian refugee “right of return” to places in Israel they or their ancestors fled from or were driven from during the 1947-1949 War of Independence.
Netanyahu articulated his position on this plan in a 2014 interview with The Jerusalem Post, saying that the initiative was drawn up at a significantly different time in the Middle East, and is no longer relevant.
He has not voiced any different position on this plan since then.

“The question is not the Saudi peace initiative,” Netanyahu said, when asked if he would accept the proposal. “If you read it carefully, you’ll see it was set up in another period, before the rise of Hamas; before Hamas took over Gaza; before ISIS [Islamic State] took over chunks of Syria and Iraq, effectively dismantling those countries; before Iran’s accelerated nuclear program.”

He also said the plan, which called for an Israeli withdrawal to the pre- 1967 lines – including returning the Golan – was drawn up “before the takeover of Syria by al-Qaida on the Golan Heights.”

Netanyahu held a high-profile meeting of his cabinet on the Golan on April 17 and declared that the region would forever stay in Israeli hands, a declaration the UN Security Council rejected on Tuesday.
Eshki, in the Al Jazeera interview, deflected one of the interviewer’s statements that he and Saudi government were willing to take military action in Yemen but never physically protect Palestinians in Gaza “when they are being bombed.”
“I told the Iranians about that. ‘You support the Palestinians by weapons, but we support them with money,’” Eshki responded. “When we support the Palestinians with money, we want them to live well, and you give them weapons to destroy themselves.”

Later, Eshki was asked: “How do you think Palestinians feel when they hear you refer to Benjamin Netanyahu as a strong leader and a logical leader?” He answered: “I talked about a strong leader and logical leader because it does not mean strong against Arabs. I said he is strong in his country.”

Eshki, 73, is the chairman of the Jeddah-based Middle East Center for Strategic and Legal Studies and a former consultant of the Saudi prince and ambassador in the US, Bandar bin Sultan.
Prior to the public meeting with Gold in New York, Eshki held half a dozen meeting with him in various capitals.
In August, Eshki told The Wall Street Journal that “the main project between me and Dore Gold is to bring peace between Arab countries and Israel. This is personal, but my government knows about the project.
My government isn’t against it because we need peace.”
Another public meeting of representatives no longer holding formal governmental positions from the two countries is to be held next month at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, when Prince Turki al-Faisal, longtime steward of Saudi Arabia’s national security establishment and former Saudi ambassador to the United States, and Yaakov Amidror, former head of the National Security Council, will speak together. The lecture title is, “Common Interests, Collective Wisdom: Confronting Challenges in The Middle East.”
This meeting comes amid persistent reports of backroom Israeli- Saudi security cooperation forged out of common regional interests.
Two weeks ago Egypt ceded two strategic islands at the mouth of the Gulf of Aqaba – Tiran and Sanafir – to Saudi Arabia in a move that Israel was apprised of in advance.

Saudi Arabia’s Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir said at the time there would be “no direct relationship” between his country and Israel following Egypt’s handing over the two islands. However, he stressed that Saudi Arabia is committed to international treaties involving the two islands.
“There are agreements and commitments that Egypt has agreed to regarding these islands, and Saudi Arabia is abiding by these commitments without having a relationship or communication with Israel,” he said
http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-C...tiative-well-open-an-embassy-in-Israel-452368
 
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The terms of the API include the right-of-return to any Arab who claims to be a descendant of a refugee from Israel, that no Zionists be involved in administering or judging the implementation of terms, that no entity other than Israel bear costs, that the claims of Jews who fled Arab countries after 1947 be nullified...there's more, but basically the upshot is that in exchange for "peace" the Jews are to put their fate into the hands of the Arabs and forget about any wrongs ever done to them, past, present, or future. In return, "Israel" gains the kind of "peace" non-Muslim minorities have experienced throughout the post-Ottoman Middle East at the hands of Arab Muslims.

Despite the decades of propaganda Pakistanis are exposed to, those that travel and experience the world know that the Jews of Israel desire peace very much. It's not generally recognized that the Israeli state, too, has devoted money, land, and effort to the cause. But there are sensible limits to this.

Consider the story of Roi Rotberg. He was a security officer defending his kibbutz from thieving Arab infiltrators: sometimes he used lethal force, sometimes he chased them away. Sixty years ago today he tried the latter, only to be caught in an ambush: he was killed and mutilated, his body dragged into Gaza to be displayed as a trophy: only U.N. intervention got it back. Moshe Dayan delivered this address at his funeral:

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"Early yesterday morning Roi was murdered. The quiet of the spring morning dazzled him and he did not see those waiting in ambush for him, at the edge of the furrow. Let us not cast the blame on the murderers today. Why should we declare their burning hatred for us? For eight years they have been sitting in the refugee camps in Gaza, and before their eyes we have been transforming the lands and the villages, where they and their fathers dwelt, into our estate. It is not among the Arabs in Gaza, but in our own midst that we must seek Roi's blood. How did we shut our eyes and refuse to look squarely at our fate, and see, in all its brutality, the destiny of our generation? Have we forgotten that this group of young people dwelling at Nahal Oz is bearing the heavy gates of Gaza on its shoulders? Beyond the furrow of the border, a sea of hatred and desire for revenge is swelling, awaiting the day when serenity will dull our path, for the day when we will heed the ambassadors of malevolent hypocrisy who call upon us to lay down our arms. Roi's blood is crying out to us and only to us from his torn body. Although we have sworn a thousandfold that our blood shall not flow in vain, yesterday again we were tempted, we listened, we believed.

"We will make our reckoning with ourselves today; we are a generation that settles the land and without the steel helmet and the cannon's maw, we will not be able to plant a tree and build a home. Let us not be deterred from seeing the loathing that is inflaming and filling the lives of the hundreds of thousands of Arabs who live around us. Let us not avert our eyes lest our arms weaken. This is the fate of our generation. This is our life's choice - to be prepared and armed, strong and determined, lest the sword be stricken from our fist and our lives cut down. The young Roi who left Tel Aviv to build his home at the gates of Gaza to be a wall for us was blinded by the light in his heart and he did not see the flash of the sword. The yearning for peace deafened his ears and he did not hear the voice of murder waiting in ambush. The gates of Gaza weighed too heavily on his shoulders and overcame him."

While Israel has grown economically and spread its generosity and humanity through the land and beyond, the resentment of many Arabs is still being cultured, as the wicked choose to favor poisonous weeds over productive crops. Thus today's Israel, like the Israel of yesteryear, still cannot afford to be dulled by the ambassadors of hypocrisy.
 
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For eight years they have been sitting in the refugee camps in Gaza, and before their eyes we have been transforming the lands and the villages, where they and their fathers dwelt, into our estate
If occupier came. Chucked me out of my house. Left me to live on the pavement and then offered me the shed in the garden. Then expected me to thank him and offer peace.

I would friggin eat his kidneys and feed his kids to the dogs. And so would 99% of humanity. The other 1% are the stupid Arabs.
 
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Palestine is a lost cause.
It has always been a mistake to think in terms of territory rather than people.

@Kaptaan : Dayan's statement is not any kind of admission of Israeli misdeed. I know Pakistanis are taught otherwise. Your government and educators put severe limits upon what you're allowed to know and talk about in this matter.
 
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It has always been a mistake to think in terms of territory rather than people.

@Kaptaan : Dayan's statement is not any kind of admission of Israeli misdeed. I know Pakistanis are taught otherwise. Your government and educators put severe limits upon what you're allowed to know and talk about in this matter.
And your not son? No offence intended to you but I could rip your argument to shreds - with reasoned logic. I make living out of presenting facts. So don't pull that "brainwashed" rubbish on me. I ain't a product of some Madaris like your not some product (hoping anyway) of some Kibbutizm school.

And I actually support recognition of Isreal. I am all for acceptance of the illegal "facts on the ground" that have been created since 1940s. I certainly don't support destruction of Isreal. So don't start crying "Anti-Semitism". However accepting the facts as they are is one thing but spining "spiel" is another am. It sort of annoys me.

Fact: Isreal was illegitimate creation to solve a European problem. The Germans/Europeans did evil but Palestinians were asked to pay for those misdeeds. However in 2016 all that is past.
 
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And your not son?
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No offence intended to you but I could rip your argument to shreds - with reasoned logic.
Oh, please do. (Until then, of course, this claim has no merit at all.)

... don't pull that "brainwashed" rubbish on me. I ain't a product of some Madaris -
Follow the link I supplied. The directive closing your minds is from Pakistan's Higher Education Commission, not some religious madrassa.

And I actually support recognition of Isreal. I also am for acceptance of the "facts on the ground" that have been created since 1940s. So no I do't support destrucxtion of Isreal.
Your statements would be more convincing if you could bring yourself to spell "Israel" correctly.

Fact: Isreal was illegitimate creation to solve a European problem...
Restating widely-circulated fibs does not make them true, does it?
 
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Oh, please do. (Until then, of course, this claim has no merit at all.)

Follow the link I supplied. The directive closing your minds is from Pakistan's Higher Education Commission, not some religious madrassa.

Your statements would be more convincing if you could bring yourself to spell "Israel" correctly.

Restating widely-circulated fibs does not make them true, does it?
Frankly I don't care what Pak Higher Education says. They are reflection of the retardness that has brought a great people to their knees. However the issue is beyond what PHEC say or do. The central issue is Isreal's creation involved terrible injustice which in it's sum is no less then the Holocaust perpetrated by the Nazis.

They say a abused victim in time can go on to reflect that abuse on others. That is the abused becomes the abuser. I can see the outlines of that in what happened post 1947. I have terrible cold so I won't bother going into this further but I will be more than happy to look at this issue in depth some other time. However if you expect me to fall for the rubbish that a bunch of these migrants (below) from Europe had more rights to the land than the folk

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living there (Arabs) when this boatload jumped off - well you will need to buy me something stronger than this stuff which I am presently ingesting in copious amounts. All for medicinal purposes of course.

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and thanks for reminding to download a spellcheck one of these days.
 
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Frankly I don't care what Pak Higher Education says. They are reflection of the retardness that has brought a great people to their knees. However the issue is beyond what PHEC say or do. The central issue is Isreal's creation involved terrible injustice -
You're in no position to evaluate justice, sir, because a Pakistani education denies you necessary knowledge and context. The H.E.C. directive actually forbids you to do so. So you are citing a mantra, regurgitating the directives of masters who tell you what you're allowed to say or think. If you want to change that - to have your words actually mean that you've evaluated the situation - you're going to fight for greater freedom of expression and education in Pakistan.
 
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While Israel has grown economically and spread its generosity and humanity through the land and beyond, the resentment of many Arabs is still being cultured, as the wicked choose to favor poisonous weeds over productive crops. Thus today's Israel, like the Israel of yesteryear, still cannot afford to be dulled by the ambassadors of hypocrisy.

Israel economic growth is as fictitious as the her claim to make Palestine as Jewish state. Israel is living on blackmail and ransom the European countries on their role in the holocaust. There is no difference between her and her neighboring countries. All of them live from donation, freebees, and forgiven loans. I know lambda jews to be generous and I have many long lasting friends among them, but to say that Israel is generous , that is disingenuous . Israel is an apartheid ,murderous, bandit state


Israel generosity in Cinemascope!


A little Palestinien burned by an Israeli settler..his family all died after their house cocktail molotoved!

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Gaza after the passage of the most moral army of the beacon of democracy in the middle east
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Israel economic growth is as fictitious...Israel is living on blackmail ...There is no difference between her and her neighboring countrie...to say that Israel is generous , that is disingenuous . Israel is an apartheid ,murderous, bandit -
And given these warped attitudes Israelis are supposed to subscribe to the API and simply trust to the goodwill of Arabs?

A little Palestinien burned by an Israeli settler..his family all died after their house cocktail molotoved!
You know this was an exceptional incident and that the Israelis themselves pursued the culprits. They did that out of Jews' own requirements for justice. What Arab society can claim to do the same against terrorists in their midst who do the same to non-Muslim minorities? Are Pakistanis and Muslim Arabs volunteering to fight ISIS, proclaiming their purpose is to help the Yezhidis regain their lands and homes?

Gaza after the passage of the most moral army of the beacon of democracy in the middle east
More war p-rn, using existing prejudice to apply judgment to a single frame, without evaluating the whole movie.
 
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You're in no position to evaluate justice, sir, because a Pakistani education denies you necessary knowledge and context. The H.E.C. directive actually forbids you to do so. So you are citing a mantra, regurgitating the directives of masters who tell you what you're allowed to say or think. If you want to change that - to have your words actually mean that you've evaluated the situation - you're going to fight for greater freedom of expression and education in Pakistan.
Cuckles. Chuckles.Gentleman my other name is "Gypsy". I was born in one place. And then never remained in one place longer than two years because of my parents jobs. Just believe me that Pak education system and me are strangers like the two sides of the moon. We never got acquainted. So that snowball of yours missed the target big time.

And I have had significant exposure to Isreali's. I even had some that I could call friends. After having wasted many years of my youth I enrolled with Buckingham University (private) that offered two year graduate courses. There I ran into Isreali's. Many had done one year in IDF and in fact one of them helped me out as he was one year senior to me. So I have no problems with Isreali's.

However I can't be expected to buy rubbish. Besides anything it is insulting. In addition I think if Isreal as a state recognizes that it inflicted another Holocaust on the natives of Palestine that might help her on the long road to peace. I also know there are Isreali's who feel the same.

Shalom.
 
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Israel sees no interest in peace.
The peace of the grave is all that's currently offered. When there's better Israel listens and acts, as it has with Jordan and Egypt and the Oslo Accords. Your statement has no merit.

...there is no incentive for normalisation of relations with Arab countries because it could mean stop subhuman treatment of the Palestinian refugees.
I do not think anything Israel does can halt the mistreatment of Arab refugees in Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon.

However I can't be expected to buy rubbish. Besides anything it is insulting. In addition I think if Isreal as a state recognizes that it inflicted another Holocaust on the natives of Palestine -
I can't buy rubbish, either, and if you had voiced this to the Israelis you claim to have met they surely would have corrected you.

Besides anything it is insulting.
Should a student feel insulted when his teacher corrects him?
 
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