Sale of more than 200 tanks Leopard 2E to Saudi Arabia

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

Where were YOU? According to your location you were paying tax to UK government and financing the war against Iraq.

Thats quite unfair... Do you think I run some sort of government?

For your information... I was speaking out against Musharaf's antics of "Pakistan First" at a time when he was actually popular amongst Pakistanis... I had told all my friends that one day I will hear you all cursing Musharaf... and by God I have lived to see what I told them... The one whose heart does not ache for an innocent suffering and being wronged just because he/she is in a different country, will care nothing for those even in his own country eventually!!!!

This question would have had validity if I had been a great fan of what Pakistan has been doing for all its entire history... Do you even read my posts on the forum?

As for taxes... For providing any service or running any business, yes we are all forced to pay taxes... either to a corrupt government and system in UK or in Pakistan... does not mean I am happy about it... or support such wars... How do you conclude that paying of taxes means one has to accept everything their government is doing? Or do you propose that I should start evading taxes now? Is there a country in the world that does not take taxes?

Do you even think before posting such stupid comments...

 

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

I suggest you two stop using such language regarding the rulers of another country, it is all in extremely bad spirit and will cause ill will.

You can criticize any policy or act which you deem wrong, however generalizing the Saudis and painting a negative picture of Saudi Arabia as a whole is certainly not welcome.

Every nation has a right to spend its money as it deems fit.
Every region has its own set of problems and threats, so does the neighborhood in which Saudi Arabia is placed.

It is much better for the entire region and its populace (majority Muslim) that Saudi Arabia is strong to discourage a misadventure from its neighboring countries or from within, this shall save another repeat of Gulf War which certainly was not Saudi Arabia's folly...it was started by the Lion of Iraq called Saddam who was intoxicated by his power and his strong alliances and annexed a neighboring Muslim country by force.

So what eventually happened in Gulf War?
Misadventure by Iraq cost it dearly, had Kuwait been militarily strong...the standoff would not have led to such a conclusion as we see today.

I have no issues if Arab countries are militarily strong since they can afford to be, however i do hope and pray that in parallel they keep on spending enough money on industrial development and education to really empower their people for times eternal.

Best of luck to Saudi Arabia and its people.

My comment was aimed at the Saudi Monarchy and I m not willing to withdraw from it... I have not generalized about the Saudi people at all... The Saudi people... They are all my brothers... except those who support their monarchy...

As for they can spend their money as the deem fit... You must be kidding right...

THEIR MONEY? how does it become theirs? Last I checked in Islam that the Saudi government claims to represent so often... the wealth of oil is to be shared amongst all Muslims... it is not to be for filling up their private bank accounts... or to save America and Spain's crippling economy...

 

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

It would be helpful if members can refrain from abusive and insulting remarks.

Keep the discussion in a civilized manner.

Noted... just now...

 

[All-Green]

Where were your "brave" Saudis when Iraq was being Raped?

And who raped Kuwait?

You should try to see that it was not a right vs wrong battle...it was Muslim vs Muslim and Iraq was the aggressor.

Was Saddam right to attack Kuwait?
Did he attack Kuwait for all that is good and just in this world or for benefit of himself or Iraq?
Why should have Saudi Arabia supported Iraq when it attacked Kuwait...in name of Islam?
Did Iraq attack Kuwait in defense of Islam or Muslims?

You are oversimplifying matters, try to think more and you shall most definitely be able to identify a lot more problems than some monarchs who everyone loves to blame for all the misfortunes in the Muslim world.
Do they share the blame, yes indeed...are they solely responsible...i certainly do not think so.

 

[All-Green]

My comment was aimed at the Saudi Monarchy and I m not willing to withdraw from it... I have not generalized about the Saudi people at all... The Saudi people... They are all my brothers... except those who support their monarchy...

As for they can spend their money as the deem fit... You must be kidding right...

THEIR MONEY? how does it become theirs? Last I checked in Islam that the Saudi government claims to represent so often... the wealth of oil is to be shared amongst all Muslims... it is not to be for filling up their private bank accounts... or to save America and Spain's crippling economy...

It is Saudi money, simply put.
I am not kidding here when i say it, it is a fact.

Whether they should spend more on other Muslims is not something i am discussing here my friend, we can discuss it on PM if you want.
I am not as illiterate in Islamic History or law as you may have perceived.

Clearly a lot needs to be done, i shall love to see Saudi Arabia become a center of excellence by enormous spending in education, industrialization and scientific research.
Things have changed as there is already a lot going on in this regard, however with the kind of money the Saudi Monarchy has, it should aggressively invest here.

 

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

And who raped Kuwait?

You should try to see that it was not a right vs wrong battle...it was Muslim vs Muslim and Iraq was the aggressor.

Was Saddam right to attack Kuwait?
Did he attack Kuwait for all that is good and just in this world or for benefit of himself or Iraq?
Why should have Saudi Arabia supported Iraq when it attacked Kuwait...in name of Islam?
Did Iraq attack Kuwait in defense of Islam or Muslims?

You are oversimplifying matters, try to think more and you shall most definitely be able to identify a lot more problems than some monarchs who everyone loves to blame for all the misfortunes in the Muslim world.
Do they share the blame, yes indeed...are they solely responsible...i certainly do not think so.

I agree with you All Green... actually come to think of it I m saying the same thing also but in a different way...

1. Iraq was wrong to attack Kuwait... Saddam Hussain was a menace that should have been assassinated a long time ago in the 70s...

2. My point about the **** of Iraq was not the first gulf war rather the second... In 2003, Iraq posed absolutely no threat to Saudis... or to Kuwait or any other country... but despite all that the Saudis did not hesitate to help the Americans murder almost 100,000 Iraqis... Had they resisted, America would never have been able to do what it did...

3. I have absolutely no problem with Saudi Arabia to do whatever it wants... I do have problems when they do it in the name of Islam... Saudis have nothing to do with Islam... That is my biggest qualm over the whole issue... Let them do whatever they want to do, but at least we should defend our deen from their fraud and insults...

4. Your wishes are honorable but perhaps you need to realize that no good is going to come to Saudi Arabia as long as this evil monarchy keeps sitting there... As you may have read, I see no other way except to take out their entire family upon gaining ideological political power... but its just a recommendation and a leader is free to decide whatever solution can be considered best...

 

[Adios Amigo]

2. My point about the **** of Iraq was not the first gulf war rather the second... In 2003, Iraq posed absolutely no threat to Saudis... or to Kuwait or any other country... but despite all that the Saudis did not hesitate to help the Americans murder almost 100,000 Iraqis... Had they resisted, America would never have been able to do what it did...

Dont you think, Pakistan did the same to Afghanistan? Why didn't we resisted when America launched attack on Afghanistan after 9/11. Why did we left Hundreds and Thousands of Afghans get murdered...Why don't you take an equal burden of responsibility on yourself....... Its simply because some times you have to bend with the wind or you break!!
So don't over simplify things,,, had Saudis resisted, they would have been listening to the music themselves till now. And don't forget Saudis were not alone in that saga, other Muslim nations like turkey were also equally involved..... So blame them...blame them all and make no exceptions including your own beloved country.... only if you can do that way!!

3. I have absolutely no problem with Saudi Arabia to do whatever it wants... I do have problems when they do it in the name of Islam... Saudis have nothing to do with Islam... That is my biggest qualm over the whole issue... Let them do whatever they want to do, but at least we should defend our deen from their fraud and insults...

Take the deen debate to a relevant thread. Saudis are not buying these weapons in the name of Islam... They are buying them for the protection and sovereignty of a nation called Saudi Arabia and they
aren't naming them Islamic Weapons. Its their right,as is it any ones else.

4. Your wishes are honorable but perhaps you need to realize that no good is going to come to Saudi Arabia as long as this evil monarchy keeps sitting there... As you may have read, I see no other way except to take out their entire family upon gaining ideological political power... but its just a recommendation and a leader is free to decide whatever solution can be considered best...

The Evil Monarchy is a concern of Suadi Nation, not you and me. We have absolutely got nothing to with them.They can have any form of governance they want to have, who are we to interfere in their internal matters??? Same is true for Iran!!




Adios

 

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

Dont you think, Pakistan did the same to Afghanistan? Why didn't we resisted when America launched attack on Afghanistan after 9/11.

Excuse me? Do you even bother reading other people's posts before commenting on them? Now heres what you need to do... Go thru all my posts and point out to me a single comment that I have made praising Pakistan for its role in the current mess in Afghanistan... and if you cant find such a post, then hello... wake up to an era where nationalism and petty patriotism means nothing to some people!!!!

Why did we left Hundreds and Thousands of Afghans get murdered...Why don't you take an equal burden of responsibility on yourself....... Its simply because some times you have to bend with the wind or you break!!

Well you are talking about Iamnotacoward General Musharaf... You are not talking about the people of Pakistan who have never supported the lunacy that has resulted in much grief to our country...

So don't over simplify things,,, had Saudis resisted, they would have been listening to the music themselves till now. And don't forget Saudis were not alone in that saga, other Muslim nations like turkey were also equally involved..... So blame them...blame them all and make no exceptions including your own beloved country.... only if you can do that way!!

Yeah... The All Mighty Americans would have attacked Saudi Arabia because they had weapons of mass destruction too... Your other points regarding blame them and not them, I have already tackled...

Take the deen debate to a relevant thread. Saudis are not buying these weapons in the name of Islam... They are buying them for the protection and sovereignty of a nation called Saudi Arabia and they
aren't naming them Islamic Weapons. Its their right,as is it any ones else.

Well I have already said that if we take the deen debate out of the equation I m more than happy with what they are doing... My comments are all in context of this Saudi smart guy who commented here something praising the guardian of the two holy mosques... It was him who brought the mosques in the discussion, not me... Go back and check his comment... perhaps you missed it

Similarly I dont see why I cannot criticize Saudis for investing in failing economies in the west and not coming to the help of Muslims across the world... Is it against some kind of rule of this forum?

The Evil Monarchy is a concern of Suadi Nation, not you and me. We have absolutely got nothing to with them.They can have any form of governance they want to have, who are we to interfere in their internal matters??? Same is true for Iran!!

and with all due respect sir... who are you to tell me that it is their concern and not mine? Tell you what Mr Adios... Give me advice when I ask you for it... You may not have anything to do with the Saudis... I do... So dont talk as if you represent Pakistan or all of Pakistanis...

Adios

 

[500]

Thats quite unfair... Do you think I run some sort of government?

For your information... I was speaking out against Musharaf's antics of "Pakistan First" at a time when he was actually popular amongst Pakistanis... I had told all my friends that one day I will hear you all cursing Musharaf... and by God I have lived to see what I told them... The one whose heart does not ache for an innocent suffering and being wronged just because he/she is in a different country, will care nothing for those even in his own country eventually!!!!

This question would have had validity if I had been a great fan of what Pakistan has been doing for all its entire history... Do you even read my posts on the forum?

As for taxes... For providing any service or running any business, yes we are all forced to pay taxes... either to a corrupt government and system in UK or in Pakistan... does not mean I am happy about it... or support such wars... How do you conclude that paying of taxes means one has to accept everything their government is doing? Or do you propose that I should start evading taxes now? Is there a country in the world that does not take taxes?

Do you even think before posting such stupid comments...

There always exists a choice . You could fly to Syria cross the border and join the fight, but instead you pay taxes funding a war. Its ironic that when it comes to you, just 1 person, you find excuses. But when it comes to countries which consist from tens of millions of persons, you want them to jump to war against the USA.

 

[T-Rex]

Just one question - why ?

To create jobs in America and Europe. The Saudis do not have the last say over their resources.

 

[Saleem]

the one and only reason is to bolster the europeans' flagging economy by squandering the wealth of their own people.......

 

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

There always exists a choice . You could fly to Syria cross the border and join the fight, but instead you pay taxes funding a war. Its ironic that when it comes to you, just 1 person, you find excuses. But when it comes to countries which consist from tens of millions of persons, you want them to jump to war against the USA.

Yes... You can say these things because you have no idea of who I am

Readers take note... How an Israeli is defending the Saudis... Says it all me thinks...

 

[Adios Amigo]

Excuse me? Do you even bother reading other people's posts before commenting on them?

Yes I do read them before answering, and I never comment out of context. I did go through the entire thread before commenting and quite frankly, found your posts quiet in poor taste!! Any how your entitled to your views.

Now heres what you need to do... Go thru all my posts and point out to me a single comment that I have made praising Pakistan for its role in the current mess in Afghanistan...

Nope, You haven't commented Pakistan's role in Afghanistan current situation at all.... and that's exactly where you are doing the injustice, if I say it mildly.... You have easily put the burden of responsibilities and liabilities on someone else, but given a similar situation you aren't ready to accept the same for your own countries role!!

Well you are talking about Iamnotacoward General Musharaf... You are not talking about the people of Pakistan who have never supported the lunacy that has resulted in much grief to our country...


Musharraf might be coward or brave...to hell with him....What you are trying to portray here by putting, "Iamnotacoward" statement, that he indeed was coward....and just because of his fears he allowed Americans to attack.... Well may I ask you where was nation then?? Why didn't it stood up to Musharraf back then?? Why wasn't there a bloody revolution to serve a noble cause?? Did any of them ever decided to take step outside their homes??? Nope!! They only watched the show, albeit not liking it.... But I am sure those who were in the power corridors also didn't like it all....It was a bitter pill, which were forced to swallow!!

Your above statements again are the result of oversimplification of very sensitive and complex issues!

One thing more, to clear some doubts and shed some mis-beliefs....There is no more a Nation.....There used to be a Nation.....Now its only a Mob.... A crazy gone wild Mob.... I think its suffice to communicate the point....Its an open forum...so don't make me say things...which aren't really desired!!

Yeah... The All Mighty Americans would have attacked Saudi Arabia because they had weapons of mass destruction too...


Believe it or not (depends on how cogent and rational you are) America is pretty Mighty....I would say the most powerful nation on earth....I never said they would have attacked S.A....But yes there is/was/will be a probability of that too.... Other then that they don't have to, always attack...They have other ways too, and the means for that too. Have you forgotten the famous statement of, With or against us" statement???

And keeping all the fear factor and foreign pressure aside.... what if Saudi genuinely had fears and felt threatened from Iraqi regime??? If so.... they absolutely did the right thing from their Nationalistic POV!!


Similarly I dont see why I cannot criticize Saudis for investing in failing economies in the west and not coming to the help of Muslims across the world... Is it against some kind of rule of this forum?


You can certainly criticize anyone you like, but that needs to be in limits fulfilling basic norms of civility....Things like Evil Monarchy etc, don't exactly help.... people have their beliefs and affiliations, if you hurt them directly....they are gonna pay back in the same coin....thereby bringing down the whole form. Apart from that haven't you criticized me in this very post??? I think that speaks volumes of freedom of speech on this forum!!

Now coming to the point.... Saudi surely are pouring in money, to the shaky economies of the west.... But let me ask you,.... Pray tell... where are Muslim Brothern Nations.... what have they done in the past millenium?? What they have to offer??? Any thing, any development?? Any field...forget military be general??? Hell no!! In all honesty they have been sleeping and sleeping hard for the past hundreds of years.... and getting spanked for that very reason every now and then.... The world have long moved on.... Its generations ahead of our Muslim Brotherns..... They have worked very hard...Produced not only quality products but match less miracles.

Saudis are doing the right thing.... They are buying the best... they have the money and they should buy the best.... The world runs on this principles...who cares if it indirectly helps their economies! Arent we doing the same...even being a broke state?? As for as helping the Muslim nations....I am sure they have done alot( Dont wanna quote examples )....but nothing is enough... if they can they should do more.... On the other hand the Muslim world should also realize that its not their right to get a share out of Saudi riches.... Its their discretion and sign of goodwill to help others....But more importantly its time to wake up and....And stop asking for more....This attitude of getting Aids and Donations in the name of help has made all of them(Including us) handicapped.....What a shame it really is!!


and with all due respect sir... who are you to tell me that it is their concern and not mine? Tell you what Mr Adios... Give me advice when I ask you for it... You may not have anything to do with the Saudis... I do...

This is exactly a spectacular exhibit of your poor taste... i was earlier suggesting.... I used the words "You and Me" to cut down the rudeness in my post, although it was only intended and directed to you. On the contrary you haven't disappointed me..with the gems that you have written...

I don't have time to give advices to people like you... even if they ask for it... I have stated reasonable statements...Its only the people of the land that can say anything about their rulers..and no one else...They can praise them...They can curse them... They can crown them...They can Hang them...the rest can only agree or disagree...approve or disapprove their Actions. Any thing more then that is regarded as Interference and Insult... From where the heck you got an Idea that it was supposed to be an advice for you???


So dont talk as if you represent Pakistan or all of Pakistanis


Now who the hell are you tell me If I represent Pakistan or not??? This is a personal attack...And I am not advising but clearly warning... These kind of statements wont be tolerated... Stop spreading Venom....Personal agendas also count in the same category.... do that next time and you know....I need not to tell you the consequence!!





Adios

 

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

Yes I do read them before answering, and I never comment out of context. I did go through the entire thread before commenting and quite frankly, found your posts quiet in poor taste!! Any how your entitled to your views.

Poor taste... Aha... So posing a question regarding foreign policy of Saudi Arabia is poor taste now... interesing...

Nope, You haven't commented Pakistan's role in Afghanistan current situation at all.... and that's exactly where you are doing the injustice, if I say it mildly.... You have easily put the burden of responsibilities and liabilities on someone else, but given a similar situation you aren't ready to accept the same for your own countries role!!

No I m sorry its obvious that you have not read my posts... Anyone who has read half of my posts would know that i m no fan of Pakistan's foreign policy... I have opposed Musharaf on numerous threads because of what Pakistan has done under his rule... infact some members have been upset at me over this

But why make you search the whole forum... I ll state this loud and clear... I m against Pakistan's participation in the Afghan War... against allowing NATO supplies to go thru our country... against all of the idiot Generals in the Pakistan army who suc upto America and have robbed the nation with unpaid loans... If you like I can go on... But you should get a picture and retract your accusation of injustice now...


Musharraf might be coward or brave...to hell with him....What you are trying to portray here by putting, "Iamnotacoward" statement, that he indeed was coward....and just because of his fears he allowed Americans to attack.... Well may I ask you where was nation then?? Why didn't it stood up to Musharraf back then?? Why wasn't there a bloody revolution to serve a noble cause?? Did any of them ever decided to take step outside their homes??? Nope!! They only watched the show, albeit not liking it.... But I am sure those who were in the power corridors also didn't like it all....It was a bitter pill, which were forced to swallow!!

No... feel free to swallow bitter pills... My conscious in this regard is clear... I have told you before that I was opposed to Musharaf from the very start... Having relatives in the Army, one from his batch of graduates from Kakool, had given me more insight about the man than ordinary people have about him... As for your question about where was the nation, you can ask such questions because you lack understanding of political power... Ordinary people on the street do not have the power to guide foreign policy in our country... If you expect the badly burdened people of Pakistan, millions of whom are not even educated and struggle to make two ends meet on a daily basis, and millions of whom who have even lost their homes after the recent floods to stand up and engage in politics, then my friend you seriously need to study how political change is achieved in the modern world...

Your above statements again are the result of oversimplification of very sensitive and complex issues!

You are very patronizing...

One thing more, to clear some doubts and shed some mis-beliefs....There is no more a Nation.....There used to be a Nation.....Now its only a Mob.... A crazy gone wild Mob.... I think its suffice to communicate the point....Its an open forum...so don't make me say things...which aren't really desired!!

Feel free to say what you like... Unlike you I am willing to discuss whatever is being said... As for your comment about our nation being a mob... that is your opinion... I know many decent people in our nation... There is a mob element there as well... Depends on which side have you observed and sat with in my opinion...

Believe it or not (depends on how cogent and rational you are) America is pretty Mighty....I would say the most powerful nation on earth....I never said they would have attacked S.A....But yes there is/was/will be a probability of that too.... Other then that they don't have to, always attack...They have other ways too, and the means for that too. Have you forgotten the famous statement of, With or against us" statement???

Yar... I am seriously requesting you (and I have done this before here) stop doing wakalat for America... I m not blind and I have first hand experience of what America is... No one has claimed America is another Afghanistan here... The Americans are a lot of things... but they are not idiots... If you think for a moment that America will even consider attacking Saudi Arabia, you need to get some cold coffee and wake up...

And keeping all the fear factor and foreign pressure aside.... what if Saudi genuinely had fears and felt threatened from Iraqi regime??? If so.... they absolutely did the right thing from their Nationalistic POV!!

You are speculating now... There is absolutely no reason to believe that Saudis had any fear of a crippled Iraq after the first Gulf War... I am wondering however why you are not dealing with the "Guardian of the Two Holy Mosque" bit that was brought up in the discussion...

Similarly I dont see why I cannot criticize Saudis for investing in failing economies in the west and not coming to the help of Muslims across the world... Is it against some kind of rule of this forum?

You can certainly criticize anyone you like, but that needs to be in limits fulfilling basic norms of civility....Things like Evil Monarchy etc, don't exactly help.... people have their beliefs and affiliations, if you hurt them directly....they are gonna pay back in the same coin....thereby bringing down the whole form. Apart from that haven't you criticized me in this very post??? I think that speaks volumes of freedom of speech on this forum!!

Well criticism is criticism... Evil Monarchy is actually putting it very mildly... If someone is so affiliated with the Saudi Royal Family, then they should realize that it is a PAKISTANI FORUM... We are not bound by Saudi Laws here... When I can call Zardari a dog, why cant I call the Saudi King a dog? Whats so special about him? Is this forum funded by Saudi money? No seriously... i m only saying this to find out whats so special about the Saudi Monarchy that just calling them evil, upsets some of you? I can understand that you think calling someone a dog might not achieve much... but then maybe it does achieve something... Our people often consider Saudi Arabia as some sort of sacred holy establishment enshrined in the Quran somewhere... If my comment gets people thinking... why is that a problem then?

Unless of course I m dealing with a Salafi element here... In that case I have no desire to continue this discussion...


Now coming to the point.... Saudi surely are pouring in money, to the shaky economies of the west.... But let me ask you,.... Pray tell... where are Muslim Brothern Nations.... what have they done in the past millenium?? What they have to offer??? Any thing, any development?? Any field...forget military be general??? Hell no!! In all honesty they have been sleeping and sleeping hard for the past hundreds of years.... and getting spanked for that very reason every now and then.... The world have long moved on.... Its generations ahead of our Muslim Brotherns..... They have worked very hard...Produced not only quality products but match less miracles.

Brother... Please read my posts... You ll see a pattern there... I m all for the re establishment of Khilafah and restoring the lost glory of the Ummah back to it... You have written the above without studying my comments on the whole forum... I urge you as a brother would to another brother... read my posts... if you have read them... read them again...


Saudis are doing the right thing.... They are buying the best... they have the money and they should buy the best.... The world runs on this principles...who cares if it indirectly helps their economies! Arent we doing the same...even being a broke state?? As for as helping the Muslim nations....I am sure they have done alot( Dont wanna quote examples )....but nothing is enough... if they can they should do more.... On the other hand the Muslim world should also realize that its not their right to get a share out of Saudi riches.... Its their discretion and sign of goodwill to help others....But more importantly its time to wake up and....And stop asking for more....This attitude of getting Aids and Donations in the name of help has made all of them(Including us) handicapped.....What a shame it really is!!

Are you aware of the Hadith of the Prophet saw... Al Muslimoon Shirka Fee Thalatsa?

This is exactly a spectacular exhibit of your poor taste... i was earlier suggesting.... I used the words "You and Me" to cut down the rudeness in my post, although it was only intended and directed to you. On the contrary you haven't disappointed me..with the gems that you have written...

Yaar... tu to mind kar gaya... Hum pathan isi tarha discuss kartay hay bhai...

I don't have time to give advices to people like you... even if they ask for it... I have stated reasonable statements...Its only the people of the land that can say anything about their rulers..and no one else...They can praise them...They can curse them... They can crown them...They can Hang them...the rest can only agree or disagree...approve or disapprove their Actions. Any thing more then that is regarded as Interference and Insult... From where the heck you got an Idea that it was supposed to be an advice for you???

Well if you were telling me this instead of advising me... then let me tell you something back... I do not agree with artificial boundries between the Muslim world... I have had to wait for long times getting visas for visiting different Muslim countries... It just upsets me... Mecca and Medina belong to me as much as they belong to any Saudi... I do not consider the Saudi Monarchs as legitimate rulers of that land... they are nothing but bunch of tyrants who in the guise of Islam are looting the wealth of the Ummah and bringing us nothing but shame and misery across the world... Upon the establishment of the Khilafah... We have some important uses for our SSG... God willing... Allah Akbar!!!!

Now who the hell are you tell me If I represent Pakistan or not??? This is a personal attack...And I am not advising but clearly warning... These kind of statements wont be tolerated... Stop spreading Venom....Personal agendas also count in the same category.... do that next time and you know....I need not to tell you the consequence!!

Ok sorry... I thought you were enforcing your opinion on me being a moderator on the forum... Take it easy bro... read my comment as if a brother is saying something to another brother... You wont find it insulting then... Dont brothers get angry at each other sometimes?

and it would be a sad day if Muhammad Bin Qasim gets banned from this forum over a tussle about the Saudi Monarchy...

Ban me for insulting the Indians instead please!!!!

 

[Canaan]

So here is the tank in question, let's see if the deal goes through