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Saab adds GaN AESA co-dev to Make in India Gripen pitch

Saab has offered it’s cutting-edge Gallium Nitride AESA radar technology if India decides to produce the Gripen fighter aircraft for the IAF.
By Saurabh Joshi on June 10, 2016 / 0 Comments


Source: Saab
Sweden and Saab have offered to co-develop its Gallium Nitride AESA (Active Electronically Scanned Array) radar with India. In meetings held with a visiting Indian defense ministry committee this week, which included Indian Air Force (IAF) Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha — and following on from briefings in New Delhi last month — Saab officials have pitched the idea of joint development of the technology to India, if India were to select the Gripen for production in India, via Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s Make in India initiative.
Lars Tossman, Head of Saab’s Airborne Surveillance business unit told visiting Indian media last month, “We talked in India – we said if India would choose Gripen, then we would be willing to share this technology and co-develop it. We have a lot to contribute but we’re willing to share that.”

Tejas LCA Requirement

Although Saab has received a Request For Information (RFI) for the LCA Mk1A, which requires an AESA radar, besides EW and ESM suites, among other items, this offer of co-development is contingent to an agreement on a Gripen Make In India program.
“This could also be a technology used in an LCA, your home program and there could be a lot of synergies between Gripen and LCA on the sensor suite. This is something – I just said we would be willing to co-develop this with Indian local partners that India as a nation would think is the right one,” said Tossman.
“We are in a long term business and we think this is good for a joint Sweden-India Gripen program but could also be for the good use of LCA of course. This is something that India could gain from if they would choose us as the supplier,” he added.
According to Tossman, GaN AESA radars are 70 percent more effective than existing AESA radar technology. This development is different from the SELEX Galileo Raven ES-05 AESA radar developed for the Gripen. But Sweden is clear that the offer to share GaN AESA radar technology would be only be on offer if India were to agree to to produce the Gripen in India for the IAF.


Source: Saab
“We are willing to do that if India would choose that – this would be part of a package like that. We would be willing to discuss and find a solution that would be good for all parties. But Saab was very clear with all the dialogue that we had, that we are willing to share this – transfer of technology and joint venture and joint development. I think Make in India is the way forward in India,” said Tossman, adding, “This is one of the extra benefits of choosing Gripen.”

Competition

India is currently contemplating proposals from Lockheed Martin to shift its F-16 assembly line to India, from Boeing for setting up a second F/A-18 line in India and from Saab for the setting up of a Gripen production line in India, although Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar appears to have crossed out the F-16 from this list in remarks he made to India’s Parliament, recently.
India had last year with drawn the IAF tender for 126 Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) after negotiations with France’s Dassault for the L1-selected Rafale failed after a tender process that began in 2007, with trials of six fighter aircraft. Besides the Gripen, F-16, F/A-18 and Rafale, the Eurofighter Typhoon and the Russian MiG-35 were also tested. India is currently negotiating for an off-the-shelf purchase of 36 Rafale aircraft as part of an announcement made by Prime Minister Modi in April 2015.
But in any case, GaN AESA technology sharing is not something anyone else is likely to offer India anytime soon.
“If Indian would choose Gripen, I don’t know what our competitors will offer India but I think this would be of interest because India would get a decisive edge in their technology level,” pointed out Tossman.

ITAR-free

What is also of significance is Sweden’s emphasis on the absence of any export control requirements for this technology sharing proposal.
Tossman announced, “AESA Gallium Nitride ITAR-free (International Traffic in Arms Regulations, which are U.S. rules for controlling the export of defense technologies). That means we own our own technology. We decide what to do with it. So we are not dependent on any others’ approval if we can or cannot share that technology – it’s our decision,” adding, “We are now having the prototype and soon going to fly with the AESA GaN. That’s where we are and this is ITAR-free.”

First in the world

Saab is the first company to develop and deploy Gallium Nitride AESA radars in various forms.
“We were the first one in the world to announce that we have AESA GaN as you know – AESA and Gallium Nitride is the buzzword within the radar technology. And a bit more than a year ago we introduced the AESA GaN on our surface radar and we said we’re going to deliver our first AESA GaN to the customer in 2016 – that’s this year. And our competitors were really shocked. They can only delver AESA GaN in 2020-2021. I think we took the world by surprise that we are the first in the world with AESA GaN technology,” said Tossman, adding, “We are absolutely the first – nobody else – no radar developer has AESA GaN apart from us.”

GaN, what?


Source: Saab
The significance of this offer lies in the background of this technology. According toThe Next Big Thing by Angad Singh in the January-February 2015 issue of Vayu Aerospace and Defence Review, the clever bit in existing AESA radars is the Microwave Monolithic Integrated Circuit (MMIC) – ‘a microwave circuit on a single chip’, which are based on a semiconductor compound called Gallium Arsenide.
Gallium Arsenide or GaAs ‘has around six times higher electron mobility than silicon, which allows faster operation of a transistor’, ‘a wider band gap, which allows sustained operation at higher temperatures, or results lower thermal noise in low power applications at room temperature’. “As a material therefore, it is ideally suited to the power and sensitivity requirements of radar,” writes Singh.
But GaAs-based technology has an inherent problem. “The present generation of GaAs MMICs do not perform well at extremely high temperatures,” according to Singh.
“This is where Gallium Nitride (GaN) comes in. It operates stably and reliably at much higher temperatures than comparable GaAs chips. Second, it handles high supply voltages-around five times as high as GaAs- without any issues. This makes GaN an ideal material for a power amplifier because overall, it outperforms GaAs by a factor of five in RF (Radio Frequency) power per unit chip size. The higher voltage supply has additional benefits: it simplifies onboard power conditioning, lightens cabling and reduces on board interference, not to mention helps with cooling. (As noted previously, voltage goes up, current and heat come down),” he wrote, adding, “In fact, GaN power efficiency is so high, it appears that further development of this will see chips limited not by electrical constraints but once again by available cooling.”
Singh explained to StratPost why this technology would be significant to India, saying, “There are no fighter GaN AESAs yet. The technology is immature and still quite expensive. Raytheon is testing a GaN AESA for their Patriot system. Saab is already ahead – their Giraffe radar began using GaN in 2014. So being able to ‘pick their brains’ in the absence of other options is a great opportunity. We will, of course, still have to outsource production and we will still have to design a radar around the technology and figure out LRUs (Line replaceable Units) in order to fit it into an aircraft.”

Saab’s options

Saab has also received interest from other fighter programs for its GaN AESA technology.
“Without revealing too much but there are some X programs ongoing in this world – I will not mention TFX or KFX or KTX or anything like that but there are of course programs ongoing and of course the world is aware that we are good at radars. So there are different dialogues ongoing with different countries on should we, should we not — but I don’t reveal in detail what we do and discuss, but there is interest for the technology we have. But as I said the only interest we have is if we have a substantial long term business with that. We are not willing to just sell the technology — that is not in our interest,” said Tossman.
http://www.stratpost.com/saab-adds-gan-aesa-co-dev-to-make-india-gripen-pitch
 
Saab adds GaN AESA co-dev to Make in India Gripen pitch

Saab has offered it’s cutting-edge Gallium Nitride AESA radar technology if India decides to produce the Gripen fighter aircraft for the IAF.

By Saurabh Joshi on June 10, 2016 / 0 Comments


Source: Saab
Sweden and Saab have offered to co-develop its Gallium Nitride AESA (Active Electronically Scanned Array) radar with India. In meetings held with a visiting Indian defense ministry committee this week, which included Indian Air Force (IAF) Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha — and following on from briefings in New Delhi last month — Saab officials have pitched the idea of joint development of the technology to India, if India were to select the Gripen for production in India, via Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s Make in India initiative.
Lars Tossman, Head of Saab’s Airborne Surveillance business unit told visiting Indian media last month, “We talked in India – we said if India would choose Gripen, then we would be willing to share this technology and co-develop it. We have a lot to contribute but we’re willing to share that.”

Tejas LCA Requirement


Although Saab has received a Request For Information (RFI) for the LCA Mk1A, which requires an AESA radar, besides EW and ESM suites, among other items, this offer of co-development is contingent to an agreement on a Gripen Make In India program.
“This could also be a technology used in an LCA, your home program and there could be a lot of synergies between Gripen and LCA on the sensor suite. This is something – I just said we would be willing to co-develop this with Indian local partners that India as a nation would think is the right one,” said Tossman.
“We are in a long term business and we think this is good for a joint Sweden-India Gripen program but could also be for the good use of LCA of course. This is something that India could gain from if they would choose us as the supplier,” he added.
According to Tossman, GaN AESA radars are 70 percent more effective than existing AESA radar technology. This development is different from the SELEX Galileo Raven ES-05 AESA radar developed for the Gripen. But Sweden is clear that the offer to share GaN AESA radar technology would be only be on offer if India were to agree to to produce the Gripen in India for the IAF.

Source: Saab
“We are willing to do that if India would choose that – this would be part of a package like that. We would be willing to discuss and find a solution that would be good for all parties. But Saab was very clear with all the dialogue that we had, that we are willing to share this – transfer of technology and joint venture and joint development. I think Make in India is the way forward in India,” said Tossman, adding, “This is one of the extra benefits of choosing Gripen.”

Competition


India is currently contemplating proposals from Lockheed Martin to shift its F-16 assembly line to India, from Boeing for setting up a second F/A-18 line in India and from Saab for the setting up of a Gripen production line in India, although Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar appears to have crossed out the F-16 from this list in remarks he made to India’s Parliament, recently.
India had last year with drawn the IAF tender for 126 Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) after negotiations with France’s Dassault for the L1-selected Rafale failed after a tender process that began in 2007, with trials of six fighter aircraft. Besides the Gripen, F-16, F/A-18 and Rafale, the Eurofighter Typhoon and the Russian MiG-35 were also tested. India is currently negotiating for an off-the-shelf purchase of 36 Rafale aircraft as part of an announcement made by Prime Minister Modi in April 2015.
But in any case, GaN AESA technology sharing is not something anyone else is likely to offer India anytime soon.
“If Indian would choose Gripen, I don’t know what our competitors will offer India but I think this would be of interest because India would get a decisive edge in their technology level,” pointed out Tossman.

ITAR-free


What is also of significance is Sweden’s emphasis on the absence of any export control requirements for this technology sharing proposal.
Tossman announced, “AESA Gallium Nitride ITAR-free (International Traffic in Arms Regulations, which are U.S. rules for controlling the export of defense technologies). That means we own our own technology. We decide what to do with it. So we are not dependent on any others’ approval if we can or cannot share that technology – it’s our decision,” adding, “We are now having the prototype and soon going to fly with the AESA GaN. That’s where we are and this is ITAR-free.”

First in the world


Saab is the first company to develop and deploy Gallium Nitride AESA radars in various forms.
“We were the first one in the world to announce that we have AESA GaN as you know – AESA and Gallium Nitride is the buzzword within the radar technology. And a bit more than a year ago we introduced the AESA GaN on our surface radar and we said we’re going to deliver our first AESA GaN to the customer in 2016 – that’s this year. And our competitors were really shocked. They can only delver AESA GaN in 2020-2021. I think we took the world by surprise that we are the first in the world with AESA GaN technology,” said Tossman, adding, “We are absolutely the first – nobody else – no radar developer has AESA GaN apart from us.”
GaN, what?



Source: Saab
The significance of this offer lies in the background of this technology. According toThe Next Big Thing by Angad Singh in the January-February 2015 issue of Vayu Aerospace and Defence Review, the clever bit in existing AESA radars is the Microwave Monolithic Integrated Circuit (MMIC) – ‘a microwave circuit on a single chip’, which are based on a semiconductor compound called Gallium Arsenide.
Gallium Arsenide or GaAs ‘has around six times higher electron mobility than silicon, which allows faster operation of a transistor’, ‘a wider band gap, which allows sustained operation at higher temperatures, or results lower thermal noise in low power applications at room temperature’. “As a material therefore, it is ideally suited to the power and sensitivity requirements of radar,” writes Singh.
But GaAs-based technology has an inherent problem. “The present generation of GaAs MMICs do not perform well at extremely high temperatures,” according to Singh.
“This is where Gallium Nitride (GaN) comes in. It operates stably and reliably at much higher temperatures than comparable GaAs chips. Second, it handles high supply voltages-around five times as high as GaAs- without any issues. This makes GaN an ideal material for a power amplifier because overall, it outperforms GaAs by a factor of five in RF (Radio Frequency) power per unit chip size. The higher voltage supply has additional benefits: it simplifies onboard power conditioning, lightens cabling and reduces on board interference, not to mention helps with cooling. (As noted previously, voltage goes up, current and heat come down),” he wrote, adding, “In fact, GaN power efficiency is so high, it appears that further development of this will see chips limited not by electrical constraints but once again by available cooling.”
Singh explained to StratPost why this technology would be significant to India, saying, “There are no fighter GaN AESAs yet. The technology is immature and still quite expensive. Raytheon is testing a GaN AESA for their Patriot system. Saab is already ahead – their Giraffe radar began using GaN in 2014. So being able to ‘pick their brains’ in the absence of other options is a great opportunity. We will, of course, still have to outsource production and we will still have to design a radar around the technology and figure out LRUs (Line replaceable Units) in order to fit it into an aircraft.”

Saab’s options


Saab has also received interest from other fighter programs for its GaN AESA technology.
“Without revealing too much but there are some X programs ongoing in this world – I will not mention TFX or KFX or KTX or anything like that but there are of course programs ongoing and of course the world is aware that we are good at radars. So there are different dialogues ongoing with different countries on should we, should we not — but I don’t reveal in detail what we do and discuss, but there is interest for the technology we have. But as I said the only interest we have is if we have a substantial long term business with that. We are not willing to just sell the technology — that is not in our interest,” said Tossman.
http://www.stratpost.com/saab-adds-gan-aesa-co-dev-to-make-india-gripen-pitch
Parikar must latch on to this offer made by Saab
Don't miss this opportunity
 
You are saying we should buy gripes? Seriously
It will negate Pakistan to get cheaper option against f16 plus we get gan aesa radar tech .
We will able to fulfill our 42 squadrons requirements on war footing and we can use gripen 5th generation tech for amca

 
It will negate Pakistan to get cheaper option against f16 plus we get gan aesa radar tech .
We will able to fulfill our 42 squadrons requirements on war footing and we can use gripen 5th generation tech for amca



And Sweden is supporting India in NSG.
 
http://topyaps.com/gripen-in-india

December 23, 2015
Saab Offers To ‘Make In India’ The 5th Gen Gripen Fighter Aircraft Because India Needs It
Manas Sen Gupta

In what could be a game changer for Indian armed forces, Swedish aerospace and defence company Saab has offered to ‘Make in India’ the fifth generation of its foremost fighter aircraft the Gripen, also called Griffin.

The JAS39 Gripen was one of the contenders for the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft tender floated by the Indian Air Force in 2011, which went to French aerospace company Dassault Aviation’s Rafale.




Gung Ho Vids

But given the IAF’s current scenario of a depleting fleet strength and acquisition procedure, the Swedish defence major has rightly predicted that India would be in critical need of fighter aircraft in the next few years.

As of now India has ordered just 36 Rafale fighter jets, not enough for 45 squadrons that IAF must maintain to have a leverage against both Pakistan and China. It currently has only 35; each squadron has around 18-20 fighters or a mix of aircrafts.




DeviantArt

Besides this the inordinate delay of 30 years in the manufacture of much-publicized HAL Tejas light combat aircraft is an embarrassment suicidal for a country in a hostile region.




The HAL Tejas has been in the making for the last 30 years, and is still incomplete.

Ulf Nilsson, head of Saab’s aeronautics division, has offered to manufacture the company’s fifth generation Gripen fighter aircraft in India with full technology transfer to the country.




GripenBlogs

This new offer is in line with the Indian Government’s ‘Make in India’ initiative.

Saab’s offer includes help in development of India’s aerospace capability for the next 100 years. They have also offered to assist HAL in speeding up the manufacture of Tejas – something that the public sector aircraft maker desperately needs.




Types of bombs carried by a 4th Gen Gripen. aerospaceweb

Saab has also promised not to export fighter aircraft manufactured in India to countries that New Delhi has put on a negative list (read Pakistan and China).

“We have almost an identical system back in Sweden when it comes to defence exports. It is decided by the government and we too can’t export to specific countries which is almost the same as that of India,” Widerstrom said.

The Rafale deal between India and France entered rough weather largely due to Dassault’s reservations over technology transfer.

The Dassault Rafale also happens to be the costliest fighter jet of a comparable technology and capability in the world. Each unit costs more than USD 100 million. By comparison a Saab Gripen, which is almost as effective as a Rafale, comes at a much cheaper USD 70 million.

The Dassault deal between India and France was heavily criticized by experts who not only pointed at the bloated coast of the aircraft and the fact that it is not in anyway more effective than others of a comparable make.




A Dassault Rafale of the French Air Force. Airheadsfly

A Rafale’s maintenance cost is as high as that of a commercial airliner without an earning model.

Even the French Air Force is not too keen about inducting more Rafales given the fact that the jet did not perform to expectations in Libya and Mali.

Brazil went for the Gripen over Rafale for the exact same reasons – cost and effectiveness.

Such were the complications with Rafale that Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar had to cancel the multi-billion tender for 126 MMRCA and settle for only 36. By comparison, a Gripen of a comparable make is equally powerful and could have fulfilled India’s needs.




Hushkit

Ever since its induction in 1997, the Gripen has found takers in as many as 12 countries across Europe, South America and Asia.

France is the only country that operates Rafale. Egypt and Qatar have placed orders, while Canada has agreed to purchase Rafales because Dassualt has agreed for full transfer of technology.




Gung Ho Vids

The single-engined Gripen is lighter and more agile
 
It will negate Pakistan to get cheaper option against f16 plus we get gan aesa radar tech .
We will able to fulfill our 42 squadrons requirements on war footing and we can use gripen 5th generation tech for amca


1) If pakistan can't afford f-16 then they certainly can't afford gripen.
2) We are not desperate to get this Gan Aesa tech?
3)For that we will have improved Tejas

and this program will certainly kill homegrown Tejas for sure
 
1) If pakistan can't afford f-16 then they certainly can't afford gripen.
2) We are not desperate to get this Gan Aesa tech?
3)For that we will have improved Tejas

and this program will certainly kill homegrown Tejas for sure
Hi just to add we are not interested in Gripen bcas it has too many components specially the power plant .
2) We are not desperate to get this Gan Aesa tech?
Yes this tech will mature and as sanity prevails mature tech must be much better.
3)For that we will have improved Tejas
Thats the way to go but still it needs lots of improvement .
and this program will certainly kill homegrown Tejas for sure[/QUOTE]
Spot on this will kill the local plan
 
Saab has been trying really hard and GaN is tempting but it will definitely kill LCA MK2.

Sweden has already rejected Pakistan's offer to buy Gripen. A Swedish member I think, @SvenSvensonov posted a source for this.
 
Sweden has already rejected Pakistan's offer to buy Gripen
If you know the member's name you will definitely know the source...
Give Source
We were not, We are not, We will not be interested in GRIPEN.....Because Block 3 is the competitor of Gripen NG...
 
If you know the member's name you will definitely know the source...
Give Source
We were not, We are not, We will not be interested in GRIPEN.....Because Block 3 is the competitor of Gripen NG...

Sigh.....

Noobs, so aggressive.:rolleyes:


US source

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1165525/posts

Swedish Archives

http://tidningar.kb.se/?q=Pakistan + Jas 39&sort=&from=2004-01-01&to=2004-12-31

Pakistani source citing Swedish source which in turn is quoting the then PM of Sweden.

http://www.dawn.com/news/363647/swe...usharraf-persson-agree-to-boost-economic-ties

International source citing Indian report.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/ar...’t-sell-gripen-jets-to-pakistan-(july-8).html

Indian sources, quoting Former Swedish Foreign minister Laila Freivalds

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-fighter-planes-to-Pak/articleshow/769095.cms
 
In 2004 JFT was not announced ... Tell me something after 2007 these are source from 2004
 
In 2004 JFT was not announced ... Tell me something after 2007 these are source from 2004

Does it look like I care?

You asked for a source that says Pakistan requested Gripen, I provided you with one, actually many.

We were not, We are not, We will not be interested in GRIPEN

Your words not mine.
 
Does it look like I care?

You asked for a source that says Pakistan requested Gripen, I provided you with one, actually many.



Your words not mine.
Complications....As India is doing now....visiting Country to Country For equipment to put pressure on enemies.....
 
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