S-400 Triumf SAM Killer.

[Signalian]

Bcoz it eats IRBMS for breakfast.

and nimble CM's like babur eat it for breakfast, lunch and dinner, any time of the day.

 

[mkb95]

and what makes u think it will not be destroyed by babur?

babur is land attack cruise missile guided by gps,it can only hit static target.one of the biggest quality of s400 is its mobility.target list of s400 include tomohawk,a much better cruise missile then babur.

 

[kṣamā]

and nimble CM's like babur eat it for breakfast, lunch and dinner, any time of the day.

Dear pls read up on the topic b4 you comment on it. With S400 , it dies if it flies with an exception of satellites.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

and nimble CM's like babur eat it for breakfast, lunch and dinner, any time of the day.

No not really.See the S-300 series was originally developed to counter american pershing short/medium range tactical ballistic misiles and B1B lancer launched LACMs.S-400 is final culmination of this process.And thus fully capable of shooting down LACMs,though not invulnerable to them.Also Babur is much less effective against mobile targets as unlike latest tomahawks it can't change targets mid-flight,or hover -which are needed if mobile target changes position due to subsonic missile taking a long time to cover distance.
Finally as per russian doctrine a s-400 battery is always accompanied by a pantsir short range quick reaction sam battery precisely to deal with PGMs,drones that try to saturate the s-400.

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Here you see pantsirs escorting s-400s.In indian context this role will be fulfilled by Israeli SPYDER.
The best option still remains anti-radiation PGM by low flying aircraft supported by powerful jamming aircraft like growlers,drones.Its not easy but no system is invulnerable.
But to say babur can eat it for breakfast is laughable because if that was the case it wouldn't be russia's latest and best anti-air system and not so costly.In 2012 in a exercise with slovakia various NATO aircraft were pitted vs s-300,and excpet rafale most of them found it a difficult challenge.See the massive opposition by israel and usa to sale of s-300 to iran.And that is s-300,not even s-400.
Babur is not the main reason s-400 is being considered,its more the pakistani and particularly chinese SRBMs both in conventional and strategic role until drdo project matures which is a loong way off.Chinese SRBMs/IRBMs hold at risk IAF airbases in N-E.Pakistani SRBM is more focused on strategic role ,new nasr.For Babur ,the indo-israeli barak 8 is optimized as a counter.
Moreover S-400 will allow IAF to leave certain sectors without heavy fighter strength,and cover it with land based SAMs instead thus allowing easier use of limited numbers of squadrons.Finally its a fail-safe agiants potential chinese5th gen aircraft ,now that pakfa is delayed.

 

[[Bregs]]

The s400 system is being taken to be deployed in protecting metro cities unlike whats being suggested here on pakistan border

 

[HariPrasad]

No biggie,Pakistan has Babur CM to meet this threat.

Like pakistan has nasr do deal with indian cavalary.

 

[ice_man]

No not really.See the S-300 series was originally developed to counter american pershing short/medium range tactical ballistic misiles and B1B lancer launched LACMs.S-400 is final culmination of this process.And thus fully capable of shooting down LACMs,though not invulnerable to them.Also Babur is much less effective against mobile targets as unlike latest tomahawks it can't change targets mid-flight,or hover -which are needed if mobile target changes position due to subsonic missile taking a long time to cover distance.
Finally as per russian doctrine a s-400 battery is always accompanied by a pantsir short range quick reaction sam battery precisely to deal with PGMs,drones that try to saturate the s-400.

​

Here you see pantsirs escorting s-400s.In indian context this role will be fulfilled by Israeli SPYDER.
The best option still remains anti-radiation PGM by low flying aircraft supported by powerful jamming aircraft like growlers,drones.Its not easy but no system is invulnerable.
But to say babur can eat it for breakfast is laughable because if that was the case it wouldn't be russia's latest and best anti-air system and not so costly.In 2012 in a exercise with slovakia various NATO aircraft were pitted vs s-300,and excpet rafale most of them found it a difficult challenge.See the massive opposition by israel and usa to sale of s-300 to iran.And that is s-300,not even s-400.
Babur is not the main reason s-400 is being considered,its more the pakistani and particularly chinese SRBMs both in conventional and strategic role until drdo project matures which is a loong way off.Chinese SRBMs/IRBMs hold at risk IAF airbases in N-E.Pakistani SRBM is more focused on strategic role ,new nasr.For Babur ,the indo-israeli barak 8 is optimized as a counter.
Moreover S-400 will allow IAF to leave certain sectors without heavy fighter strength,and cover it with land based SAMs instead thus allowing easier use of limited numbers of squadrons.Finally its a fail-safe agiants potential chinese5th gen aircraft ,now that pakfa is delayed.

s400 is a massive leap forward in terms of air defenses. currently Pakistan has nothing that can counter or neutralize its threat.



let the trolls troll.

have a read:

S-300: NATO’s nightmare and perhaps Russia’s too | Russia & India Report

How Russia’s S-400 makes the F-35 obsolete | Russia & India Report


Pakistan will have to surely counter this new development in order to keep the threat matrix balance.

 

[Signalian]

babur is land attack cruise missile guided by gps,it can only hit static target.one of the biggest quality of s400 is its mobility.target list of s400 include tomohawk,a much better cruise missile then babur.

S 400 will not be firing on the move too. Deployment, packing , unpacking and scooting all takes time, minutes not really seconds and obviously it wont take hours for babur to reach S400. it can shoot and scoot but if babur can keep S400 busy with itself and make the S400 running around in circles then it has done half of its job. about the quality of babur and tomahwak, thats another topic but generally assuming that Babur is low tech is ignorance

Dear pls read up on the topic b4 you comment on it. With S400 , it dies if it flies with an exception of satellites.

dear s400 is not invincible that one needs to read the posts and topics ten times to digest its invincibility. and Dear if you think that pakistan armed forces will not counter it in any way on your lame statement of fly and die then you are arrogantly and ignorantly mistaken

No not really.See the S-300 series was originally developed to counter american pershing short/medium range tactical ballistic misiles and B1B lancer launched LACMs.S-400 is final culmination of this process.And thus fully capable of shooting down LACMs,though not invulnerable to them.Also Babur is much less effective against mobile targets as unlike latest tomahawks it can't change targets mid-flight,or hover -which are needed if mobile target changes position due to subsonic missile taking a long time to cover distance.
Finally as per russian doctrine a s-400 battery is always accompanied by a pantsir short range quick reaction sam battery precisely to deal with PGMs,drones that try to saturate the s-400.

​

Here you see pantsirs escorting s-400s.In indian context this role will be fulfilled by Israeli SPYDER.
The best option still remains anti-radiation PGM by low flying aircraft supported by powerful jamming aircraft like growlers,drones.Its not easy but no system is invulnerable.
But to say babur can eat it for breakfast is laughable because if that was the case it wouldn't be russia's latest and best anti-air system and not so costly.In 2012 in a exercise with slovakia various NATO aircraft were pitted vs s-300,and excpet rafale most of them found it a difficult challenge.See the massive opposition by israel and usa to sale of s-300 to iran.And that is s-300,not even s-400.
Babur is not the main reason s-400 is being considered,its more the pakistani and particularly chinese SRBMs both in conventional and strategic role until drdo project matures which is a loong way off.Chinese SRBMs/IRBMs hold at risk IAF airbases in N-E.Pakistani SRBM is more focused on strategic role ,new nasr.For Babur ,the indo-israeli barak 8 is optimized as a counter.
Moreover S-400 will allow IAF to leave certain sectors without heavy fighter strength,and cover it with land based SAMs instead thus allowing easier use of limited numbers of squadrons.Finally its a fail-safe agiants potential chinese5th gen aircraft ,now that pakfa is delayed.

My friend the statement of eating IRBM is more laughable but babur can surely choke up your laugh. here you are showing the AD assets escorting another AD assets, lol this is more laughable than anything posted here when India puts up a concentration of AD assets in one place to make juicy targets. Babur may not be targeted at S400, it can be targeted at the radar controlling S400. its not always one babur against a tube launcher of S400, lol, saying that babur can be fired on fixed targets only, as if within 60 secs the S400 will be on the move after firing. In war its the combo of many different weapons that can help neutralize the S400 like CM's ALCM's, maybe aircraft, maybe spec ops forces. Babur is just one of the weapons that can take out an S400, calling it low in quality standard is just ognorance

Like pakistan has nasr do deal with indian cavalary.

Pakistan has more than that to deal with indian cavalry but ignorance is bliss so hush hush....

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

My friend the statement of eating IRBM is more laughable but babur can surely choke up your laugh. here you are showing the AD assets escorting another AD assets, lol this is more laughable than anything posted here when India puts up a concentration of AD assets in one place to make juicy targets. Babur may not be targeted at S400, it can be targeted at the radar controlling S400. its not always one babur against a tube launcher of S400, lol, saying that babur can be fired on fixed targets only, as if within 60 secs the S400 will be on the move after firing. In war its the combo of many different weapons that can help neutralize the S400 like CM's ALCM's, maybe aircraft, maybe spec ops forces. Babur is just one of the weapons that can take out an S400, calling it low in quality standard is just ognorance

Its not a concentration of AD assets as such as each system covering the other to create a very powerful network.To target any part of the s-400,including its radar u have go through s-400's own armament plus supporting QR-SAM.
60 seconds is a fantasy scenario you are describing,with its speed of around mach 0.8 to target an s-400 200 kms into indian territory it will require 15 minutes to get there,if vehicle moves then it becomes waste.And thats assuming s-400 or support sams haven't shot it down mid-flight.I have never said babur is low quality,just that its unsuited for hitting mobile targets because it can't retarget and change flight path mid-flight ,and because it doesn't have hover capability.
As for combo of different weapons helping to neutralize s-400,yes that is exactly right.But it will neither be easy,nor cheap to take it out is what i'm saying.No way would it be breakfast.

 

[cloud4000]

So I lost track of Indian S-400 SAM thread. Indians were getting very much excited day dreaming No-fly zones over Pakistan. There is no doubt S-400 is a credible Air-defense system and could pose a legitimate threat to Pakistani Airspace. In my amateur view, S-400 was build Russia specific to cover vast Russian land without much terrain cover for an approaching low flying aircraft. In Pakistan's case, given Indian assumption that they are able to successfully deploy S-400 on Pakistan's border; aside from farms of Punjab and desert of Sindh, 400 km range of S-400 would have a limited effect due to some what hilly terrain in many regions. Having said all that, I now introduce you to American way of dealing with such threat. All Pakistan gotta do, just replicate their American friends. Chinese expertise can come in handy, if Pakistan want's to save some money on R&D.

Replicate it how? US will not give any weapons to Pakistan unless it involves counter terrorism. It will avoid any India-specific weapon systems and this missile is definitely one of them.

 

[vizier]

For close border scenario you beed to develop at least 300-400km range iskandar style ballistic missile. Also mini drones would be useful to detect radar positions closed to border if equipped with good quality emitter locator rwr.arm you mentioned if not assisted by gps or ins when radar is closed or fake emitters open wont have a chance.

For longer ranges your best bet would be cruise missiles but you need to experiment with ram or paint coating to increase its survivability.That combined with a saturation attack has some chance to hit large target like airbase that s300 is protecting even not s300 itself.ballistics can be fired too but when detected that can be mistaken with a nuclear attack.

Best would be acquiring your own S300 that is HQ9 to protect your airfields. it should have happened long time ago.

 

[General General]

Replicate it how? US will not give any weapons to Pakistan unless it involves counter terrorism. It will avoid any India-specific weapon systems and this missile is definitely one of them.

The U.S. recently sold hundreds of AMRAAMs to Pakistan which are very India-specific.
However, the induction of S-400 would be a huge boost to India's air defence. It will reduce the pressure of the IAF to focus on other jobs.
But, as I have learnt from Pakistan's multiple drone programs, there are fully developed and under-development systems that mimic the size and signature of jet fighters. These drones can play a part in defeating a credible SAM system.
Then again, the induction of these missiles will take several years. This gives Pakistan time to format a counter mechanism. Maybe an anti-SAM missile system?

 

[HariPrasad]

Pakistan has more than that to deal with indian cavalry but ignorance is bliss so hush hush....

You are right. When you guys say that you will deal advancing Indian troops with nasr, the first thought come to my mind is what you say.

 

[Viper 94]

it is fairly easy to jam and evade radar guided missiles due to the small wavelength high frequency radar they use . SAMs are good against less maneuverable or aircraft piloted by less proficient pilot
once a sam battery is located it becomes a very vulnerable target

 

[Genghis khan1]

Replicate it how? US will not give any weapons to Pakistan unless it involves counter terrorism. It will avoid any India-specific weapon systems and this missile is definitely one of them.

Read the last line again. There is no new technology to be develop, just new method of employment. US careless about India. US might just give it to Pakistan for the right price and PR, since there is no new super sophisticated technology in this system.