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Russia's weakened military now surpassed by China's — and it leaves a trail of paper tigers
Alex Lockie
19 hours ago
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Associated Press

  • Russia has always been a military powerhouse, and remains a top cyber, electronic warfare, nuclear, and conventional threat, but it's no longer the top one.
  • US defense documents now list China as the US's main threat, and with good reason.
  • China has produced truly innovative weapons systems and has the capacity and economy to mass produce them.
  • Russia has thought up some powerful concepts but failed to execute them as its economy is weak.

Russia, and the Soviet Union before it, always possessed an outsized military and grew quickly into the role of the US's chief rival after World War II, but despite prioritizing nuclear and military power above social welfare for decades , the Kremlin has been surpassed.

Russia still wields enviable cyber warfare prowess, tremendous conventional military strength, the world's most dangerous nuclear weapons , and electronic warfare capabilities among the best on earth.

But nobody is talking about Russia as the US's top military threat anymore. Today, it's China.

Under President Donald Trump, the US has introduced a new National Security Strategy that lists China and Russia as its main strategic threats, rather than terrorism or climate change. China is listed first, and mentioned more often throughout the report.

The culprit behind Russia's decline? Stagnation
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The T-14 Armata, another great idea that never really happened.
Reuters


The Russian threat is a known quantity. NATO exists to counter Russia in Europe. Besides Russia's 2014 illegal annexation of Crimea, its constant aggressive behavior towards its neighbors hasn't really changed much over the decades.

and trick all existing US missile defenses, but that's also old news. Even the US's 1970s Minuteman III nuclear missile can likely evade Russian defenses. In any case, nuclear war has been a moot point since the establishment of mutually assured destruction.

Russian systems near Eastern Europe can out-range and in some cases overwhelm its NATO counterpart, but Russia stands to gain little in conventional conflict, and under President Vladimir Putin it's mainly chosen to engage in hybrid warfare and to push its foreign policy goals with hacking and other nefarious plots.

Where are the real innovations in Russia's military hardware? Russia introduced the Su-57, supposedly a stealth jet that could take on the US's F-35 and F-22 fighters , but it couldn't get the money together to order more than 12 of them. Likewise, Russia's T-14 Armata tank, framed as a NATO tank-killer, will not see serial production.

For the T-14 and Su-57, economic stagnation caused by flat or falling oil prices and US sanctions likely struck the final blow.

China running wild

China used to buy and reverse engineer Russian weapons systems, which provided it a healthy base to start building its military, the largest in the world, but now it's clearly surpassed Russia in terms of high-end warfighting.

China, not Russia, provided the first foreign answer to the US's total dominance in stealth aircraft with the Chengdu J-20 . China has also leapfrogged ahead in software and computing, pursuing both quantum computing and artificial intelligence at a break-neck place.

Just as Putin has changed Russia's geography by taking Crimea, Beijing changed the very seas they border on by building up military strongholds across the South China Sea and steadily enforcing claims there with a firmer and firmer hand.

China has created a new run of missiles set to give the US Navy a run for its money . China once bought a used Soviet aircraft carrier as a training vessel. Now it has plans to build three or more carriers to project power across the seas. Russia, on the other hand, has had to shelve its sole carrier until 2022, and before that it couldn't sail without a tug nearby. China has made a show of beating the US in technological races , even when they're mostly superficial.

China, not Russia, has become the US military's boogeyman despite sitting half a world away. And with ten times Russia's population, and an economy set to displace the US as the world's top, it's unlikely Russia will hang around much longer in the conversation of top-tier militaries.

Russia can achieve many of its foreign policy goals by spreading its own brand of information in Western democracies and leaning on its smaller satellite states. But China is building an all-aspect military capable of fighting the US military head-on.

https://www.businessinsider.com/russias-weakened-military-now-surpassed-by-chinas-2018-8
 
it will take some time to surpass russia .
 
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China, not Russia, has become the US military's boogeyman despite sitting half a world away.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

1) China imports SU-35 and S-400 from Russia

2) US is imposing sanctions on countries procuring military hardware from Russia while there are no so such sanctions on countries importing from China
 
The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

1) China imports SU-35 and S-400 from Russia

2) US is imposing sanctions on countries procuring military hardware from Russia while there are no so such sanctions on countries importing from China
I think US is talking about compehensive capability and capacity ,not a couple of arms export deals. Russia now maybe doesn't have money to procure the weapons they newly developed. That's a US report, they must have studied case more throughly than you do.
 
I think US is talking about compehensive capability and capacity ,not a couple of arms export deals. Russia now maybe doesn't have money to procure the weapons they newly developed. That's a US report, they must have studied case more throughly than you do.

Actions speak louder than the words.

US is not worried about Chinese selling its technology/equipment to other nations mean that Chinese equipment is regarded as inferior and non-threatening while spread of Russian technology is being closing watched and countries are being sanctioned.
 
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Actions speak louder than the words.

US is not worried about Chinese selling its technology/equipment to other nations mean that China equipment is regarded as inferior and non-threatening while spread of Russian technology is closing watched and countries are being sanctioned.

this is true .
 
Russia's weakened military now surpassed by China's — and it leaves a trail of paper tigers
Alex Lockie
19 hours ago
5a0a04e735876e3a028b5ac8-960-480.jpg

Associated Press

  • Russia has always been a military powerhouse, and remains a top cyber, electronic warfare, nuclear, and conventional threat, but it's no longer the top one.
  • US defense documents now list China as the US's main threat, and with good reason.
  • China has produced truly innovative weapons systems and has the capacity and economy to mass produce them.
  • Russia has thought up some powerful concepts but failed to execute them as its economy is weak.

Russia, and the Soviet Union before it, always possessed an outsized military and grew quickly into the role of the US's chief rival after World War II, but despite prioritizing nuclear and military power above social welfare for decades , the Kremlin has been surpassed.

Russia still wields enviable cyber warfare prowess, tremendous conventional military strength, the world's most dangerous nuclear weapons , and electronic warfare capabilities among the best on earth.

But nobody is talking about Russia as the US's top military threat anymore. Today, it's China.

Under President Donald Trump, the US has introduced a new National Security Strategy that lists China and Russia as its main strategic threats, rather than terrorism or climate change. China is listed first, and mentioned more often throughout the report.

The culprit behind Russia's decline? Stagnation
5ac3bd937a74af19008b45ac-960-554.jpg

The T-14 Armata, another great idea that never really happened.
Reuters


The Russian threat is a known quantity. NATO exists to counter Russia in Europe. Besides Russia's 2014 illegal annexation of Crimea, its constant aggressive behavior towards its neighbors hasn't really changed much over the decades.

and trick all existing US missile defenses, but that's also old news. Even the US's 1970s Minuteman III nuclear missile can likely evade Russian defenses. In any case, nuclear war has been a moot point since the establishment of mutually assured destruction.

Russian systems near Eastern Europe can out-range and in some cases overwhelm its NATO counterpart, but Russia stands to gain little in conventional conflict, and under President Vladimir Putin it's mainly chosen to engage in hybrid warfare and to push its foreign policy goals with hacking and other nefarious plots.

Where are the real innovations in Russia's military hardware? Russia introduced the Su-57, supposedly a stealth jet that could take on the US's F-35 and F-22 fighters , but it couldn't get the money together to order more than 12 of them. Likewise, Russia's T-14 Armata tank, framed as a NATO tank-killer, will not see serial production.

For the T-14 and Su-57, economic stagnation caused by flat or falling oil prices and US sanctions likely struck the final blow.

China running wild

China used to buy and reverse engineer Russian weapons systems, which provided it a healthy base to start building its military, the largest in the world, but now it's clearly surpassed Russia in terms of high-end warfighting.

China, not Russia, provided the first foreign answer to the US's total dominance in stealth aircraft with the Chengdu J-20 . China has also leapfrogged ahead in software and computing, pursuing both quantum computing and artificial intelligence at a break-neck place.

Just as Putin has changed Russia's geography by taking Crimea, Beijing changed the very seas they border on by building up military strongholds across the South China Sea and steadily enforcing claims there with a firmer and firmer hand.

China has created a new run of missiles set to give the US Navy a run for its money . China once bought a used Soviet aircraft carrier as a training vessel. Now it has plans to build three or more carriers to project power across the seas. Russia, on the other hand, has had to shelve its sole carrier until 2022, and before that it couldn't sail without a tug nearby. China has made a show of beating the US in technological races , even when they're mostly superficial.

China, not Russia, has become the US military's boogeyman despite sitting half a world away. And with ten times Russia's population, and an economy set to displace the US as the world's top, it's unlikely Russia will hang around much longer in the conversation of top-tier militaries.

Russia can achieve many of its foreign policy goals by spreading its own brand of information in Western democracies and leaning on its smaller satellite states. But China is building an all-aspect military capable of fighting the US military head-on.

https://www.businessinsider.com/russias-weakened-military-now-surpassed-by-chinas-2018-8

LOL! This article should wake up the Russian Nationalists.
 
Actions speak louder than the words.

US is not worried about Chinese selling its technology/equipment to other nations mean that Chinese equipment is regarded as inferior and non-threatening while spread of Russian technology is being closing watched and countries are being sanctioned.
It depends on what you sell and which country you sell to. Turkey cancelled arms deal with China due to US pressure. US sanctions others for many reasons.I dont know any being sanctioned just because they buy Russian weapons. You may not agree with this US policy change but US government knows it better than you, I guess.
 
Actions speak louder than the words.

US is not worried about Chinese selling its technology/equipment to other nations mean that Chinese equipment is regarded as inferior and non-threatening while spread of Russian technology is being closing watched and countries are being sanctioned.

"2) US is imposing sanctions on countries procuring military hardware from Russia while there are no so such sanctions on countries importing from China" Last time I checked, US is sanctioning countries procuring hardware from Russia not because US afraid Russian equipment is advanced, but because US is simply sanctioning Russia on all front including military engagement due to Crimea. US isn't sanctioning China, so on what ground should US sanction countries procuring chinese military hardware? Besides, before Crimea, US never sanctioned any country procuring Russia military military products, so the notion that US would sanction countries because they acquire advanced weapons is false.

It depends on what you sell and which country you sell to. Turkey cancelled arms deal with China due to US pressure. US sanctions others for many reasons.I dont know any being sanctioned just because they buy Russian weapons. You may not agree with this US policy change but US government knows it better than you, I guess.

He's just another jealous Indian, they can't stomached the fact that Chinese is placed top 5 in the weapon export, while India is not even in the ranking. They watch with jealousy that the Russian they worship so much is being surpassed by China on multiple fronts, according to US report. The most recent defense bill just passed in Congress named China as the top military adversary, not Russia. Not that it's a good thing, but somehow these event triggered so much jealousy and inferiority complex from these Indians who by the way, can't make anything, I mean anything. Even with labor wage at 1/5 of Chinese. We are talking about a sub-Saharan level country with sub-Saharan level people in it and they are talking about "inferiority" of weapons these people can't even dream to make.
 

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