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Role of tanks in futuristic warfare


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While ground forces will still be required to capture and secure buildings and territory, that task can now be performed by a much cheaper infantry platoon without any tanks at all — just a few inexpensive and well-equipped drones circling overhead.

Already in the U.S., two major defense contractors have been scaling back the production and refurbishing of tanks and armored personnel carriers. The York, Pennsylvania plant of British contractor BAE Systems (LSE: BA), which had been building and refurbishing the Bradley Fighting Vehicle for the U.S. Army, has already dismissed half of its workforce, with more layoffs last December.

"The reality of it is we've already started shutting down," manufacturing executive Alice Conner informed the Washington Post. "If BAE does not get any new Bradley funding — or win new work from commercial firms or foreign governments, it will close the line in 2015."

In another defense spending casualty, General Dynamics (NYSE: GD), which builds M1 Abrams tanks — the most powerful tank in the world — is scaling down its Lima, Ohio factory. Over the past decade, the contractor's workforce has been slashed from over 1,200 to some 500 today.
The Army simply doesn't see the need for more tanks. Speaking before Congress in 2012, General Raymond Odierno, the Army's chief of staff, put it as simply as possible: "We don't need the tanks. Our tank fleet is two and a half years old on average now. We're in good shape, and these are additional tanks that we don't need."

In response, defense contractors and their over 500 suppliers have lobbied hard, convincing Congress to write them huge checks worth $140 million for Bradley vehicles and $74 million for Abrams tanks for fiscal year 2014."

The rise of HEAT weapons like the LAW, Panzerfaust, and RPG in the 1950s and 60s exaggerated the death of tank. Infantry platoons were capable of taking out tanks with ease with just some Rockets. That is why tanks like the Chieftain was soon armored with more advanced armor rather than rolled homgenous steel(RHA) of WWII. Infantry have to fire from the sides or in top attack usually in urban warfare.

But with the rise of better systems like the Javelin, TOW, MILAN and the Korent, wired and heat seeking missiles can be portable and carried by platoons and the "Death of the Tank idea comes back again". Also they can be mounted on Armored troop carriers and Armor fighting vehicles. Systems like the Hellfire can be mounted on cheap helicopters and drones as well to completely obiterate and armored advance and even fire beyond a tank's gun range.

M1 Abrams: $8 Million
Javelin missile $200,000
TOW 2 missile $58,000
Hellfire Missile: $70,000
Predator Drone: $4 Million(can carry 2-4 Hellfires plus bombs)
Little Bird helicopter: $2 Million(can carry 2-4 Hellfires or multiple rocket pods)


With the rise of these portable missiles, mechanized infantry, and aircraft is a tank even worth the price? The US is cutting back, while Russia just made their new T-14 Armata and investing more and more on tanks.

Is a entire tank column charging into enemy formations, getting wrecked by a bunch of cheap drones and helicopters even worth it? What is the role of Tanks in Modern warfare or what it should be?

By Joseph Cafariello
 
I wish we could discuss merits of tanks and other armored vehicles in case of war b/w two countries having a modernized and effective air defense systems and air force. In such a case air superiority can't be achieved and as such the armored units are susceptible to drones and gunships.

I don't think armor has become obsolete personally but their role needs to re-defined in current and near future scenario.
 
Poor analysis.
Tanks will have their role way beyond 2020.Anti tank missiles are just area denial weapons while tanks are/will be the major weapon for holding the land.
Here are the points to justify my opinion.
1.Tanks can actively support infantry while drones cannot do that.i.e They can actively engage infantry while drones cannot do that considering they use missiles instead of guns.(this is the main reason for my proposition)
2.Tanks have much more ammo and endurance than drones while drones donot have that luxury.Dones on the other hand have to reload after firing just a few missiles it has.
 
tanks are still viable, but they need to be more interconnected with other systems. drones can be the eyes in the sky and send video to the tank commander and then the tanks can attack enemy positions, this would be especially good with that Israeli tank ammo APAM


that's the only problem i see with tanks right now is situational awareness. as you can see coming out of yemen/saudi arabia. they are just clueless to where the houthi are.
 
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tanks are still viable, but they need to be more interconnected to other systems. drones can be the eyes in the sky and send video to tanks and the tanks can attack the enemy positions.


that's the only problem i see with tanks right now is situational awareness

As of now, no doubt tanks are viable but what about 10-20 years from now when drone technology matures. The author raises a valid point - Is a entire tank column charging into enemy formations, getting wrecked by a bunch of cheap drones and helicopters even worth it?

I think tanks are here to say for reasons @war khan stated but increasingly they will require air support to prevent getting wrecked by enemy drones and gunships.
 
As of now, no doubt tanks are viable but what about 10-20 years from now when drone technology matures. The author raises a valid point - Is a entire tank column charging into enemy formations, getting wrecked by a bunch of cheap drones and helicopters even worth it?

I think tanks are here to say for reasons @war khan stated but increasingly they will require air support to prevent getting wrecked by enemy drones and gunships.


really depends. who can afford these drones and the weapons that go with them??

i'm more talking about low intensity conflicts.

but contries are already developing weapons to defeat drones. lasers and stuff.
 
Well tanks have their limitations too.
Their ability to quickly get where they are needed in sufficient numbers is limited. If 100 enemy tanks suddenly roll across your border it's going to take some time for your tanks to get there. Certainly longer than a drone and if you have mountain ranges or rivers that is also an issue.

So as a quick offensive weapon tanks have their merits (and so do drones) but as a quick defensive weapon they are at a disadvantage (drones more flexible at this).

It's a lot easier for a drone to drop a bomb/missile
on a tank than to have a tank shoot down a drone.

If the costs were the same and you have 500 drones you can get many of them to the fight quickly versus 500 tanks. Many tanks would be too far away to be useful.
 
Well tanks have their limitations too.
Their ability to quickly get where they are needed in sufficient numbers is limited. If 100 enemy tanks suddenly roll across your border it's going to take some time for your tanks to get there. Certainly longer than a drone and if you have mountain ranges or rivers that is also an issue.

So as a quick offensive weapon tanks have their merits (and so do drones) but as a quick defensive weapon they are at a disadvantage (drones more flexible at this).

It's a lot easier for a drone to drop a bomb/missile
on a tank than to have a tank shoot down a drone.

The author also raises an interesting point regarding Russia going for advancement of Tank technology through their new T-14 while US is scaling down investments in tanks
 
Well tanks have their limitations too.
Their ability to quickly get where they are needed in sufficient numbers is limited. If 100 enemy tanks suddenly roll across your border it's going to take some time for your tanks to get there. Certainly longer than a drone and if you have mountain ranges or rivers that is also an issue.

So as a quick offensive weapon tanks have their merits (and so do drones) but as a quick defensive weapon they are at a disadvantage (drones more flexible at this).

It's a lot easier for a drone to drop a bomb/missile
on a tank than to have a tank shoot down a drone.

If the costs were the same and you have 500 drones you can get many of them to the fight quickly versus 500 tanks. Many tanks would be too far away to be useful.


put a shape charged warhead on these little bad boys they would make quick work out of a pack of tanks.
 
Well tanks have their limitations too.
Their ability to quickly get where they are needed in sufficient numbers is limited. If 100 enemy tanks suddenly roll across your border it's going to take some time for your tanks to get there. Certainly longer than a drone and if you have mountain ranges or rivers that is also an issue.

So as a quick offensive weapon tanks have their merits (and so do drones) but as a quick defensive weapon they are at a disadvantage (drones more flexible at this).

It's a lot easier for a drone to drop a bomb/missile
on a tank than to have a tank shoot down a drone.

If the costs were the same and you have 500 drones you can get many of them to the fight quickly versus 500 tanks. Many tanks would be too far away to be useful.
You are just considering tank vs tank and tank vs drone scenario.But there r a lot of scenarios in which tanks are not present.Imagine a scenario in which only infantry is involved.Now tell me which one (tanks or drones) will be more useful against the infantry?...definitely tanks....
Also,u r assuming that a 100 odd tanks SUDDENLY roll across our borders.Now thats not possible.Nobody can bring a 100 tanks to border without noticing.U r talking about 100 tanks,nobody can even sneak in 10 tanks across the border without getting detected miles before reaching the border.So that logic is null and void
 
You are just considering tank vs tank and tank vs drone scenario.But there r a lot of scenarios in which tanks are not present.Imagine a scenario in which only infantry is involved.Now tell me which one (tanks or drones) will be more useful against the infantry?...definitely tanks....
Also,u r assuming that a 100 odd tanks SUDDENLY roll across our borders.Now thats not possible.Nobody can bring a 100 tanks to border without noticing.U r talking about 100 tanks,nobody can even sneak in 10 tanks across the border without getting detected miles before reaching the border.So that logic is null and void

As I recall in the Battle of Longewala - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia the Pakistani army was able to cross the border in a tank attack unopposed. It was only repelled because Hawker jets attacked them from the air. The Indian tank force was over 1.5 days away and thus basically useless.
 
As I recall in the Battle of Longewala - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia the Pakistani army was able to cross the border in a tank attack unopposed. It was only repelled because Hawker jets attacked them from the air. The Indian tank force was over 1.5 days away and thus basically useless.

Given present technology, such huge armored formation won't go unnoticed by satellite imaging.
 
Tank to tank battle will be obsolete. But heavy armour IFV will still be essential. You do not need a big gun for AT role. But a 76mm gun for fire support and armour vehicle destruction plus top attack ATGM missile for TANK destruction. I do see a trend for a 40tons heavy IFV in future.
 
Tank to tank battle will be obsolete. But heavy armour IFV will still be essential. You do not need a big gun for AT role. But a 76mm gun for fire support and armour vehicle destruction plus top attack ATGM missile for TANK destruction. I do see a trend for a 40tons heavy IFV in future.

Not beyond the realm of possibility. Even a Bradley is 33 tons.
 
Tank are always going to be present in some ways. They are icons of war
 
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