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[KeenGuy]

Get over it.

America has the 1st amendment. People can parody Jews, Christians and *gasp* Muslims.

Have some self-respect.

In a region where demonization of Christian, hindu, and Jewish religious figures are standard...i think these complaints are a bit hypocritical.

When the muslim world stops turning cars and burning embassies when some european draws a pic of mohamed...people will stop drawing pics.

They are illustrating how angry Muslims get over the most irrelevant things, and how many of these countries have no problem supporting hateful propaganda against other religions.

Religion is a joke. It is a handicap.

well if your total world wide population was more than 15 million i'm sure alot of you would be offended.

but there is not many of you so not much you people can do.

P.S.
if someone drew a cartoon of a big oven with a jewish star on it and there was kite string on top of the oven would you be ok with it?

 

[Skeptic]

so if someone draws a cartoon where someone is beating a cow with a baseball bat you would not be offended?

No-one would be if you posted that because cow is nowhere as important to Hindus as Muhammad Sahab is to Islam. And you might not be aware but cow slaughter does happen in several Indian states and is hardly uncommon.

everytime somebody posts a picture on this forum of a hindu with his head in the rear of a cow drinking its urine all you hindus cry foul and hit the report button.

Not if you refrain from mentioning that every Hindu does it.

double standard?

This thread in not for point scoring and bickering / flaming. I have also reported it as it is offensive not just to Pakistanis but to all my Muslim friends in India and across the world.

Peace..

 

[Patriot]

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I don't know why people can't live peacfuly.They just have to **** with others like these guys have done and the above poster get over your high horses.I think Muslims should start a page praying for another Holocaust.

 

[Xeric]

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[xenia]

Get over it.

America has the 1st amendment. People can parody Jews, Christians and *gasp* Muslims.

u talking about bill of rights..its a shame u interpret 1st amndment thus..g. washington will b abusing u in his grave
First Amendment: addresses the rights of freedom of religion (prohibiting Congress from establishing a religion and protecting the right to free exercise of religion), freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and freedom of petition.

Have some self-respect.

u get some shame!!

n a region where demonization of Christian, hindu, and Jewish religious figures are standard...i think these complaints are a bit hypocritical.

When the muslim world stops turning cars and burning embassies when some european draws a pic of mohamed...people will stop drawing pics.

They are illustrating how angry Muslims get over the most irrelevant things, and how many of these countries have no problem supporting hateful propaganda against other religions.

Religion is a joke. It is a handicap.

thats you own view (read BS) dont impose on others..

 

[GolaniB]

u talking about bill of rights..its a shame u interpret 1st amndment thus..g. washington will b abusing u in his grave
First Amendment: addresses the rights of freedom of religion (prohibiting Congress from establishing a religion and protecting the right to free exercise of religion), freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and freedom of petition.

American citizens can criticize and poke fun at any religion. Drawing pictures of religion prophets violates no US laws.

A mature culture is going to allow dissenting voices. Banning something/ someone from expressing an opinion or belief you disagree with is the height of immaturity.

I've lived in Israel and we have government-paid professors accusing Israelis of being inspired by racism and behaving like Nazis. In Europe british media cartoonists draws Jewish leaders with Nazi symbolism.

Media in the USA routinely poke fun at Jews and Christians all the time.

It is life. Free speech protects unpopular speech. This including criticism of religion.




u get some shame!!


thats you own view (read BS) dont impose on others..[/QUOTE]

 

[xMustiiej70]

American citizens can criticize and poke fun at any religion. Drawing pictures of religion prophets violates no US laws.

A mature culture is going to allow dissenting voices. Banning something/ someone from expressing an opinion or belief you disagree with is the height of immaturity.

I've lived in Israel and we have government-paid professors accusing Israelis of being inspired by racism and behaving like Nazis. In Europe british media cartoonists draws Jewish leaders with Nazi symbolism.

Media in the USA routinely poke fun at Jews and Christians all the time.

It is life. Free speech protects unpopular speech. This including criticism of religion.




u get some shame!!


thats you own view (read BS) dont impose on others..

[/QUOTE]

I think such a drawing picture and making any jokes or insult to religions has to been punished.
i mean if thats allowed.
usa aint a country.
just a ground with open borders.
in and out.

 

[KeenGuy]

American citizens can criticize and poke fun at any religion. Drawing pictures of religion prophets violates no US laws.

A mature culture is going to allow dissenting voices. Banning something/ someone from expressing an opinion or belief you disagree with is the height of immaturity.

I've lived in Israel and we have government-paid professors accusing Israelis of being inspired by racism and behaving like Nazis. In Europe british media cartoonists draws Jewish leaders with Nazi symbolism.

Media in the USA routinely poke fun at Jews and Christians all the time.

It is life. Free speech protects unpopular speech. This including criticism of religion.




u get some shame!!


thats you own view (read BS) dont impose on others..

You silly little person.

Ridiculing the holocaust is illegal in israel.

Swastiksa are illegal in israel.

why no response to my previous post. here let me post it again.

If someone drew a big oven with a jewish star on it and there was kite string on top of the oven would you be ok with it?

 

[Hyde]

Lets not start another religious debate here please

American citizens can criticize and poke fun at any religion. Drawing pictures of religion prophets violates no US laws.

A mature culture is going to allow dissenting voices. Banning something/ someone from expressing an opinion or belief you disagree with is the height of immaturity.

Of course i would love to publish naked pictures of your sister and mother in the newspapers and then see your reaction.......... Remember i have a right of Freedom of Speech...... please do not mind if it published

For Muslims Prophet Muhammad S.A.W is closer than our parents....... - i will not argue with you if you don't mind me publishing your sister's pic on newspapers

I've lived in Israel and we have government-paid professors accusing Israelis of being inspired by racism and behaving like Nazis. In Europe british media cartoonists draws Jewish leaders with Nazi symbolism.

There is nothing wrong in it......... you are allowed to make a fun of a Muslim country, Muslim man or personality in mature way but not the prophet.

Media in the USA routinely poke fun at Jews and Christians all the time.

With the Bomb in the head of Prophet Jesus? or Moses?

thats you own view (read BS) dont impose on others..

Keep your genius Genius opinion with you and i hope MODs close/delete this thread before we go for another war

 

[GolaniB]

You silly little person.

Ridiculing the holocaust is illegal in israel.

Swastiksa are illegal in israel.

why no response to my previous post. here let me post it again.

If someone drew a big oven with a jewish star on it and there was kite string on top of the oven would you be ok with it?

Are you comparing holocaust denial and swastikas to drawing a picture of mohamed?

the Muslim world is notorious for institutionalized holocaust denial. I don't see Jews demanding heads or protesting by the thousands.

Free speech is free speech. Israelis have full rights and can attack religion with impunity.

Considering it is a Jewish state I see nothing sinister that it would have hate crime laws, which is consistent with USA and Europe.

It seems hate is honky dory in the muslim world...legitimate acts of free speech, such as dissent...is unacceptable.

I have nothing against religion, but it needs to stay out of the government and politics. People should be allowed to say what they want without fear of being hunted down by an angry mob of religious fanatics.

agreed?

 

[KeenGuy]

Are you comparing holocaust denial and swastikas to drawing a picture of mohamed?

the Muslim world is notorious for institutionalized holocaust denial. I don't see Jews demanding heads or protesting by the thousands.

Free speech is free speech. Israelis have full rights and can attack religion with impunity.

Considering it is a Jewish state I see nothing sinister that it would have hate crime laws, which is consistent with USA and Europe.

It seems hate is honky dory in the muslim world...legitimate acts of free speech, such as dissent...is unacceptable.

I have nothing against religion, but it needs to stay out of the government and politics. People should be allowed to say what they want without fear of being hunted down by an angry mob of religious fanatics.

agreed?

Nice way to talk around my question.

I don't deny the holocaust. I believe it happened.

So I am assuming if one were to draw cartoon of a big oven and gas chamber with the jewish star on it you would be ok with it?

I am also assuming if one were to draw Adolf Hitler flying a kite made of jewish skin you would also be ok with it?

 

[EyelessInGaza]

Get over it.

America has the 1st amendment. People can parody Jews, Christians and *gasp* Muslims.

Have some self-respect.

In a region where demonization of Christian, hindu, and Jewish religious figures are standard...i think these complaints are a bit hypocritical.

When the muslim world stops turning cars and burning embassies when some european draws a pic of mohamed...people will stop drawing pics.

They are illustrating how angry Muslims get over the most irrelevant things, and how many of these countries have no problem supporting hateful propaganda against other religions.

Religion is a joke. It is a handicap.

Would you walk up to a random person on the street and slap them just because you dislike their dress? Would you cold call someone just to insult them?

I am not religious - I am also a stone cold liberal - and nor do I think that this drawing of cartoons is a big deal.

But that's not the point. AFAIK, this drawing of the Prophet is one of the most sensitive issues in Islam.

So why would one want to inflame more than a billion people deliberately?

I can understand western societies banning the burka, etc - hell I would even support that if I were a citizen of these countries.

But this is like poking a stick into someone's core beliefs. Why would you do that?

If you think something like this will make Muslims more liberal, forget about it. In fact it will marginalize even the tolerant Muslims.

 

[GolaniB]

Nice way to talk around my question.

I don't deny the holocaust. I believe it happened.

So I am assuming if one were to draw cartoon of a big oven and gas chamber with the jewish star on it you would be ok with it?

I am also assuming if one were to draw Adolf Hitler flying a kite made of jewish skin you would also be ok with it?

I'm not talking around your question. Drawing parallels between satire of religious figures and genocidal denial is an unfair and morally offensive analogy.

So yeah, I would be pissed if someone were to draw a cartoon of a big oven and gas chamber with a Jewish star on it.

But you know what? It happens all the time. There are HATE crime laws in many Western cities, but criticizing religion is not hate speech.

Drawing a picture of Jesus is not against the rules.

Would you walk up to a random person on the street and slap them just because you dislike their dress? Would you cold call someone just to insult them?

No, because that's assault.

And yeah, if I wanted to call someone just to insult them - i would be well within my right to.

We are talking about RIGHTS and freedom of expression, not whether this is right or wrong.

Freedom of speech is most important to protect unpopular speech. mob rule is deadly.

But that's not the point. AFAIK, this drawing of the Prophet is one of the most sensitive issues in Islam.

So why would one want to inflame more than a billion people deliberately?

That's nice. Perhaps Islam needs to join the 21st century.

The West shouldn't have to change its laws to placate angry religious fanatics.

If one billion people are inflamed by a CARTOON, there is a serious problem with those people.

If you think something like this will make Muslims more liberal, forget about it. In fact it will marginalize even the tolerant Muslims

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Well then leave. The West is about freedom. this includes the freedom to be a douche and make fun of religion.

In some countries, there is no freedom, and criticism of religion carries the death penalty.

Which do you prefer?

I'm not saying I support the drawing pictures of mohamed. Rather, I support their RIGHT to draw pictures of mohamed.

Just as I support the right of those who accuse Israel of being the devil and worst state in the universe.

 

[EyelessInGaza]

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Religion is a joke. It is a handicap.

I believe that although not as strongly as you do, and not quite in the same terms!

But standing on a pedestal and preaching to the world won't get you anywhere. The fact is that a vast number of people believe the opposite of what you said. And we have to work with that.

So welcome to the real world where hopes, beliefs and stirring idealistic statements will buy you a cup of coffee at Starbucks. That and 4 bucks.

 

[EyelessInGaza]

No, because that's assault.

And insulting someone's core belief isn't?

And yeah, if I wanted to call someone just to insult them - i would be well within my right to.

Try that in the good ol' US of A and see where that gets you.

That's nice. Perhaps Islam needs to join the 21st century.

This is plain sloganeering.

The West shouldn't have to change its laws to placate angry religious fanatics.

IMO, people who get offended by this are not just fanatics.

If one billion people are inflamed by a CARTOON, there is a serious problem with those people.

Perhaps. Ever given thought to the point that there is may be a serious problem with people who do not understand why a cartoon would incense Muslims? Have you looked it up?
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I'm not saying I support the drawing pictures of mohamed. Rather, I support their RIGHT to draw pictures of mohamed.

Just as I support the right of those who accuse Israel of being the devil and worst state in the universe.

That's fair enough. But you should also be prepared for anger when that happens.