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India is using 3BM42 from Russia - which can penatrate 460-500mm RHA for 2000m. But this round is considered inferior by modern standards, even inferior to Pakistani Nazia rounds. What the use of an imported round when it cant even penatrate modern enemy armour. As APFSDS rounds are primary ammo to defeat enemy armour, why DRDO is not developing something superior? Tank experts please through light into this very importent matter.
Because You can have the best tank in the world, but without proper ammo, a tank is a seating duck.
 
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Armor: India Stocks Up On APFSDS
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April 9, 2014: India has ordered
66,000 Russian 3VBM17 APFSDS
(Armor Piercing Fin Stabilized
Discarding Sabot) shells for the
125mm guns on their T-90 tanks.
Each of these shells will cost $6,556.
The 3VBM17 entered service in 1986,
weighs 20.4 kg (45 pounds) and
employs a 4.85 kg (10.7 pound)
tungsten penetrator that will go
through 450mm of steel. The
penetrator and its sabot leaves the
gun at 1,700 meters (5,610 feet) a
second. India wanted to buy an
Israeli APFSDS shell but the supplier
got tied up in an Indian anti-
corruption investigation so, rather
than wait for that to blow over, and
because the army was running low
on these shells, they went for the
Russian supplier. The Israeli shell
would have been more reliable and
penetrate over 20 percent more
armor, but considering the tanks
likely opponents (China and
Pakistan) have, the 3VBM17 is
adequate and a little cheaper.
Most modern 120/125mm tank guns
fire a shell that uses a smaller
25mm “penetrator.” The 25mm rod
of tungsten (or depleted uranium) is
surrounded by a “sabot” that falls
away once the shell clears the
barrel. This gives the penetrator
higher velocity and penetrating
power. This is the most expensive
type of 120/125mm shell and already
comes in several variants. There is
APDS (Armor Piercing Discarding
Sabot) and APFSDS (Armor Piercing
Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot, for
smooth bore guns). The armor
piercing element of discarding sabot
rounds is less than half the
diameter of the shell and made of
very expensive, high density metal.
Its smaller size enables it to hit the
target at very high speeds, up to
1,900 meters (6,270 feet) a second.
This is the most common type of
anti-tank shell and is constantly
being improved.
India uses other times of 125mm
ammo as well. In 2013 India
obtained a manufacturing license to
build 15,000 Russian Invar anti-tank
missiles for their T-90s. India has
earlier purchased 10,000 of these
missiles from Russia (that were built
in Russia) and with the
manufacturing license the average
cost will be about $2,000 per
missile. Buying the missiles from
Russia costs nearly $40,000 per
missile, while manufacturing in
India can cut that by nearly 30
percent, making the $2,000 per
missile license a good deal. The
Invar 9M119M1 (Invar-M) is fired
from the 125mm gun, like a shell,
but operates like a guided missile.
The 17.2 kg (37.8 pound) missile is
680mm (26.7 inches) long and has
pop-out fins (with a 250mm/9 inch
span) that aid in guidance (laser
beam riding, controlled by the tank
gunner). The missile has a max
range of 5,000 meters at a speed of
350 meters a second (14 seconds
max flight time). The Invar enables
the tank to hit targets at twice the
range of the 125mm shells. The
tandem warhead can penetrate up
to 900mm of armor (35.4 inches),
twice what the 3VBM17 can. Invar
has been around for two decades
and India is buying the latest
version.
India expects to have about 1,400
T-90s by the end of the decade. The
first T-90 entered service in 1993,
and India is the largest user. The
T-90 is basically an upgraded T-72,
which India already builds under
license. The T-90 weighs about 15
percent more than the 41 ton T-72.
The T-90 has a better fire control
system, night vision that is good out
to about 1,500 meters, and
electronic countermeasures against
anti-tank missiles. The autoloader,
which often failed in the T-72, is
more reliable and that makes the
three man crew (commander,
gunner, driver) more effective. The
T-90 has ERA (Explosive Reactive
Armor) in addition to its composite
armor.
The T-90 is not as lively as the T-72
and is actually slower on the
battlefield than the U.S. M-1 (which
has a horsepower to weight ratio of
24:1, compared to only 18:1 for the
T-90). The 125mm gun of the T-90 is
basically the same as the T-72.
However, if you use better ammo,
you stand a chance against top
rated tanks like the M-1. But that is
not what India expects to face. The
most likely opponent is Pakistan,
which is largely equipped with
1950s era T-55s (actually the
Chinese T-59 copy). The Pakistanis
also have 700 or so older T-72 type
tanks (Chinese T-69 and Ukrainian
T-80), but these would be outclassed
by the T-90. India plans to have 21
tank battalions ("regiments" in the
Indian army) of T-90s (with 62 tanks
each) by 2020. Actually, each
battalion only has 45 tanks going
into combat. The other 17 are for
training and replacements.

Armor: India Stocks Up On APFSDS
 
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Current Phase (2010 to present)–
Tragedy and Opportunity
(a) Russian 125mm APFSDS
Designation – BM-42 ‘Mango’
Indian Army Designation – AMK 339
(b) DRDO 125mm APFSDS
Designation – Mk-II
Indian Army Designation – None
Known
1. In 2010, IMI was blacklisted by
MOD for dubious dealing with OFB
Chairman and this put a spanner in
the works as far as the production of
AMK-340A round was concerned.
2. It has already been mentioned
that the production of this round at
OFB had not stabilized and after the
QC fiasco, bulk production was given
clearance only in 2009. When this
information is coupled with the fact
that production of AMK-340 round
had been stopped in 2005, one has
a situation where no substantial
production of 125mm APFSDS rounds
had taken place in 2005-2010
period.
3. Consequently, army was in a tight
spot as far as holding of 125mm
APFSDS ammunition is concerned.
And then we did what we do the
best – panic purchase.
4. In 2010, IA issued RFP for
purchase of 125mm ammunition on
urgent basis – it sought
ammunition meeting the
performance of AMK-339/BM-42 and
AMK-340A/ CL 3254M. Initial
requirement was projected for
75,000 – 100,000 rounds to be
supplied over 12-18 months.
5. India signed contract with Russia
in 2012 for import of 66,000 125mm
BM-42 Mango rounds and 25,000
3UBK-Invar missiles. Of these 10,000
missiles were to be imported from
Russia while 15,000 missiles were to
be bought from BDL Limited.
6. It is said that Russians charged
3x-4x the price for the 125mm
ammunition purchased under this
contract.
7. DRDO 125mm Mk-2
7.1. When the DRDO Mk-1 125mm
round went into production in 1997,
it was already working on Mk-2
version of the round. This it was
doing without any GSQR for such a
product. With TOT for 125mm round
leading to suspension of production
of DRDO Mk-1/AMK-340, IA was not
interested in DRDO Mk-2 round.
7.2. However, DRDO persisted with
the development and when ground
was literally pulled from below the
feet of Army due to IMI blacklisting;
this became the only recourse
available.
7.3. The CAG Report No.24 of
2011-12 (Defense Services) explains
the development of DRDO Mk-2
round:
Quote:
Ministry of Defence, Department of
Defence Research and Development
(DDRD) in May 1996 sanctioned the
above project at a cost of INR 2.30
crore to be completed by May 1998.
It was sanctioned by DRDO without
GSQR from Army HQ. The project
after four revisions of probable date
of completion (PDC) and three cost
revisions, was closed in December
2004 after an expenditure INR 7.27
crore. The ammunition developed by
the Laboratory did not meet the
Users’ requirement as Users
expressed an apprehension as to
whether the trials conducted for
MK-II ammunition in the absence of
GSQR for this ammunition would
qualify as user trials.
To resolve the issue, the
ammunition was subjected to
Accelerated User Cum Reliability
Trials (AUCRT) in August 2007 which
again proved to be unsatisfactory.
Ministry of Defence in its reply in
February 2011 stated that trials with
30 rounds of improved ammunition,
have been successfully completed in
May 2010 and Army HQ has given go
ahead for accelerated user trials
with 500 rounds of the improved
ammunition. Ministry’s reply should
be viewed in the background of the
fact that even after a lapse of 15
years the ammunition is yet to be
inducted. Such ammunition is still
being imported by Army.
7.4. This ammunition is expected to
go into production in 2015.
7.5. One measure of technological
progress made by DRDO in
development of 125mm APFSDS is
the comparison of L:D Ratio of
DRDO MK-1 and MK-2 round – this
parameter was 14:1 for earlier round
while the L:D Ratio of Mk-2 is 20:1.
8. DRDO 120mm Mk-T-2
8.1. DRDO has also developed the
Mk-2 version of its earlier 120mm
round for Arjun tank.
(Source: The information in this
write-up has been sourced from
CAG Reports, Parliamentary
Standing Committee Reports, DRDO
Technology Focus, OFB and earlier
discussions on BRF)
© Rohit : BR forum
 
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DRDO 125mm MK-2
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