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What many consider the first gay-pride march ever held in Central Asia has unleashed a storm of controversy in Kyrgyzstan, with threats of violence against participants, counterprotests, and fiery parliamentary debate over whether to rein in civil society.

The peaceful march by some 400 people in central Bishkek on Women's Day on March 8 promoting women's rights and "equality for all" was fiercely criticized by socially conservative lawmakers in the predominantly Muslim country.

"The men who do not want to have children and the girls who do not want to pour tea...must not only be cursed, they must be beaten," Kyrgyz parliament deputy Jyldyz Musabekova wrote on Facebook of the lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) supporters who took part in the march in the Kyrgyz capital, with several of them carrying rainbow flags.

"We have to beat the craziness out of them," she added. "Are there any decent guys out there [willing to do that]?"

She warned later during a March 13 debate in parliament that "if we sit silently...Kyrgyzstan will become a 'Gayistan.'"

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Kyrgyz parliament deputy Jyldyz Musabekova: "We have to beat the craziness out of them."


Musabekova's comments were harshly criticized by some parliament members and on social media but echoed in gentler terms by other deputies.

Deputy Ziyadin Zhamaldinov said that in allowing the march to take place Kyrgyzstan had "disgraced" itself in front of neighboring countries. No women's marches were held in any of the four other Central Asian states.

Zamaldinov's colleague, Ainuru Altybaeva, said the march had "damaged" the concept of the traditional family.

Such comments are emblematic of a deep societal division within Kyrgyzstan, the region's only democracy and arguably its most progressive country.

'Very Proud'

Human rights activists were quick to defend the Women's Day march and excoriate deputies for their remarks.

"We are not offended by this parliament -- these deputies have in past years expressed even more absurd ideas," rights activist Tolekan Ismailova said.

"I think it's very cool that the LGBT community came on the march, because this is also related to the rights of women if we are talking about lesbians and transgender girls who face tremendous violence in Kyrgyzstan," said Bektour Iskender, the founder of the popular Kloop.kg website and a participant in the march.

"This is part of the women's rights movement -- it's impossible to separate them. And I'm very proud of Kyrgyzstan that this has become possible here."

Iskender added that it wasn't the only time that supporters of sexual minorities in Kyrgyzstan had been taking part in the women's march -- only that this was the first time opponents of the LGBT community had noticed.

"I urge people in Kyrgyzstan to stop being afraid of LGBT people -- they're also part of our society," he said. "I think that parliament deputies would also do well to get some kind of education in the field of human rights, because they're saying some very uneducated things."

30 Or 40?

Bektour told RFE/RL that this year's women's march had more participants than in previous years because of actions by the nationalist 40 Warriors (Kyrk Choro) organization, which had made threats to marchers and city officials allowing the event to be held.

City officials initially tried to discourage organizers from the Bishkek Feminist Initiatives (BFD) from holding the march, saying that it could cause traffic jams and lead to confrontations.

But the BFD was undeterred.

"The city police told us that for 'security reasons' you should not go out because members of Kyrk Choro could 'come and do something,'" BFD representative Gulaiym Aiylchy said. "We told them that despite your warnings we will still come out [and march]."

While there were 40 Warriors members present at the march, they didn't directly interfere with the procession. However, they are accused of making threats to female activists and others who attended.

Rights activist Rita Karasartova, political analyst and former government deputy minister Edil Baisalov, and ex-lawmaker Ravshan Jeenbekov also said they had been intimidated or threatened for taking part in the march.

40 Warriors was also criticized for the behavior of its leader, Zamirbek Kochorbaev, who was accused of intimidating Mira Tokusheva, a march organizer, during a public TV program on March 11 in which he said he had the organizers' "addresses."

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Kyrk Choro leader Zamirbek Kochorbaev addresses media in Bishkek on March 11.


40 Warriors called on March 11 for Bishkek Mayor Aziz Surakmatov to resign for permitting the march, and two days later the nationalist group held a counterprotest in front of parliament, warning its members that it and its "thousands" of supporters would take action if lawmakers did not.

Only about 30 people attended the nationalist group's rally. "We propose that 40 Warriors rename themselves," Iskender said, "to 30 di**heads."

Sociologist and anthropologist Altyn Kapalova said the statements by deputy Musabekova on social media and in the parliament may have violated the law.

"What Musabekova wrote can be regarded as a violation of the fundamental rights of every Kyrgyz citizen," she said. "It is not just rudely expressed, but also calls on other people to commit violence. To this we must not just respond but bring to justice."

Blaming NGOs

The debate in parliament on March 13 included the national security agency deputy chairman, Orozbek Opumbaev, who said he "shared" deputies' concerns about the participation of LGBT members in the Women's Day march.

He told the deputies it was "necessary" to pass a law similar "to what was adopted in Russia" that would monitor the finances of NGOs -- a reference to the controversial "foreign agents" law passed in Russia in 2012.

"This is the main problem -- that the financing [of NGOs] goes unchecked," he said. "In particular, on LGBT [groups]. How much money comes in [from abroad]?" he asked. "If we pass this law we have control."

For activist Ismailova, the idea is a nonstarter for Kyrgyzstan, where there are more than 14,000 registered NGOs.

"To those who say that NGOs should be checked, I would say: Read the constitution! NGOs openly show where they get funding from, provide all reports, and pay taxes," she said. "The companies of [some parliament] deputies do not pay as much taxes as we do."

Written by Pete Baumgartner based on reporting by RFE/RL Kyrgyz Service correspondents Ernist
 
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What many consider the first gay-pride march ever held in Central Asia has unleashed a storm of controversy in Kyrgyzstan, with threats of violence against participants, counterprotests, and fiery parliamentary debate over whether to rein in civil society.

The peaceful march by some 400 people in central Bishkek on Women's Day on March 8 promoting women's rights and "equality for all" was fiercely criticized by socially conservative lawmakers in the predominantly Muslim country.

"The men who do not want to have children and the girls who do not want to pour tea...must not only be cursed, they must be beaten," Kyrgyz parliament deputy Jyldyz Musabekova wrote on Facebook of the lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) supporters who took part in the march in the Kyrgyz capital, with several of them carrying rainbow flags.

"We have to beat the craziness out of them," she added. "Are there any decent guys out there [willing to do that]?"

She warned later during a March 13 debate in parliament that "if we sit silently...Kyrgyzstan will become a 'Gayistan.'"

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Kyrgyz parliament deputy Jyldyz Musabekova: "We have to beat the craziness out of them."


Musabekova's comments were harshly criticized by some parliament members and on social media but echoed in gentler terms by other deputies.

Deputy Ziyadin Zhamaldinov said that in allowing the march to take place Kyrgyzstan had "disgraced" itself in front of neighboring countries. No women's marches were held in any of the four other Central Asian states.

Zamaldinov's colleague, Ainuru Altybaeva, said the march had "damaged" the concept of the traditional family.

Such comments are emblematic of a deep societal division within Kyrgyzstan, the region's only democracy and arguably its most progressive country.

'Very Proud'

Human rights activists were quick to defend the Women's Day march and excoriate deputies for their remarks.

"We are not offended by this parliament -- these deputies have in past years expressed even more absurd ideas," rights activist Tolekan Ismailova said.

"I think it's very cool that the LGBT community came on the march, because this is also related to the rights of women if we are talking about lesbians and transgender girls who face tremendous violence in Kyrgyzstan," said Bektour Iskender, the founder of the popular Kloop.kg website and a participant in the march.

"This is part of the women's rights movement -- it's impossible to separate them. And I'm very proud of Kyrgyzstan that this has become possible here."

Iskender added that it wasn't the only time that supporters of sexual minorities in Kyrgyzstan had been taking part in the women's march -- only that this was the first time opponents of the LGBT community had noticed.

"I urge people in Kyrgyzstan to stop being afraid of LGBT people -- they're also part of our society," he said. "I think that parliament deputies would also do well to get some kind of education in the field of human rights, because they're saying some very uneducated things."

30 Or 40?

Bektour told RFE/RL that this year's women's march had more participants than in previous years because of actions by the nationalist 40 Warriors (Kyrk Choro) organization, which had made threats to marchers and city officials allowing the event to be held.

City officials initially tried to discourage organizers from the Bishkek Feminist Initiatives (BFD) from holding the march, saying that it could cause traffic jams and lead to confrontations.

But the BFD was undeterred.

"The city police told us that for 'security reasons' you should not go out because members of Kyrk Choro could 'come and do something,'" BFD representative Gulaiym Aiylchy said. "We told them that despite your warnings we will still come out [and march]."

While there were 40 Warriors members present at the march, they didn't directly interfere with the procession. However, they are accused of making threats to female activists and others who attended.

Rights activist Rita Karasartova, political analyst and former government deputy minister Edil Baisalov, and ex-lawmaker Ravshan Jeenbekov also said they had been intimidated or threatened for taking part in the march.

40 Warriors was also criticized for the behavior of its leader, Zamirbek Kochorbaev, who was accused of intimidating Mira Tokusheva, a march organizer, during a public TV program on March 11 in which he said he had the organizers' "addresses."

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Kyrk Choro leader Zamirbek Kochorbaev addresses media in Bishkek on March 11.


40 Warriors called on March 11 for Bishkek Mayor Aziz Surakmatov to resign for permitting the march, and two days later the nationalist group held a counterprotest in front of parliament, warning its members that it and its "thousands" of supporters would take action if lawmakers did not.

Only about 30 people attended the nationalist group's rally. "We propose that 40 Warriors rename themselves," Iskender said, "to 30 di**heads."

Sociologist and anthropologist Altyn Kapalova said the statements by deputy Musabekova on social media and in the parliament may have violated the law.

"What Musabekova wrote can be regarded as a violation of the fundamental rights of every Kyrgyz citizen," she said. "It is not just rudely expressed, but also calls on other people to commit violence. To this we must not just respond but bring to justice."

Blaming NGOs

The debate in parliament on March 13 included the national security agency deputy chairman, Orozbek Opumbaev, who said he "shared" deputies' concerns about the participation of LGBT members in the Women's Day march.

He told the deputies it was "necessary" to pass a law similar "to what was adopted in Russia" that would monitor the finances of NGOs -- a reference to the controversial "foreign agents" law passed in Russia in 2012.

"This is the main problem -- that the financing [of NGOs] goes unchecked," he said. "In particular, on LGBT [groups]. How much money comes in [from abroad]?" he asked. "If we pass this law we have control."

For activist Ismailova, the idea is a nonstarter for Kyrgyzstan, where there are more than 14,000 registered NGOs.

"To those who say that NGOs should be checked, I would say: Read the constitution! NGOs openly show where they get funding from, provide all reports, and pay taxes," she said. "The companies of [some parliament] deputies do not pay as much taxes as we do."

Written by Pete Baumgartner based on reporting by RFE/RL Kyrgyz Service correspondents Ernist

Yes lets pretend homosexuality is the real danger being faced yet by another society. At the same time lets also pretend there are no homosexuals living in the country, with excuses such as oh its not natural/ its against our religion/believes etc etc. All these excuses are utter BS. Bigotry at full display.

Meanwhile Bride Kidnapping continues to happen in the great country of Kyrgyzstan, should we rename it to Kidnapistan, by the logic of the minister it should be renamed already.
 
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Yes lets pretend homosexuality is the real danger being faced yet by another society. At the same time lets also pretend there are no homosexuals living in the country, with excuses such as oh its not natural/ its against our religion/believes etc etc. All these excuses are utter BS. Bigotry at full display.

Meanwhile Bride Kidnapping continues to happen in the great country of Kyrgyzstan, should we rename it to Kidnapistan, by the logic of the minister it should be renamed already.

Stop defending the homosexuality import culture. Surely this shit goes on all over the world, but it isn’t mainstream and accepted in our part of the world like it is in Western societies. The vast majority wants to keep it that way.

We know how INGOs are spreading this disease in foreign lands.
 
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Stop defending the homosexuality import culture. Surely this shit goes on all over the world, but it isn’t mainstream in our part of the world like it is in Western societies. The vast majority wants to keep it that way.

I will defend whatever I feel is the right thing to do. Homosexuality is a trait all prevalent in nature and among humans of all races and ethnicities. The vast majority of our society is made of numbskulls who are ready to go and kill people just merely accused of blasphemy, proclaim to love Prophet more than their own lives yet every day take actions contrary to his teachings.
Screw this mullah infested cesspool of what we pass as values.

What did the parliament deputy say which was hardline extreme?
Oh I dont know may be this:
Kyrgyz parliament deputy Jyldyz Musabekova: "We have to beat the craziness out of them."
 
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I will defend whatever I feel is the right thing to do. Homosexuality is a trait all prevalent in nature and among humans of all races and ethnicities. The vast majority of our society is made of numbskulls who are ready to go and kill people just merely accused of blasphemy, proclaim to love Prophet more than their own lives yet every day take actions contrary to his teachings.
Screw this mullah infested cesspool of what we pass as values.


Oh I dont know may be this:

Do you know what happened to the people of Prophet Lut (as) (his people who engaged in homosexuality)?
Do you know the punishment (given by Islam) for men if they get caught doing such an action?

Well, whatever problem you have with society or with mullahs, one thing is certain - engaging in homosexuality is haram. It is upto Muslim governments to act and make sure that these lgbt groups don't spread.
 
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I will defend whatever I feel is the right thing to do. Homosexuality is a trait all prevalent in nature and among humans of all races and ethnicities. The vast majority of our society is made of numbskulls who are ready to go and kill people just merely accused of blasphemy, proclaim to love Prophet more than their own lives yet every day take actions contrary to his teachings.
Screw this mullah infested cesspool of what we pass as values.


Oh I dont know may be this:

Stop confusing things. There is absolutely zero relevance between blasphemy and LGBT BS.

The vast majority of our society doesn’t approve of homosexuality. It is unnatural and above all it defies our culture and religious values. Just because we have a few fags doesn’t mean that this is the norm. It might be the norm elsewhere, but not in our land. The law is supreme. You cannot defy it.

Do you know what happened to the people of Prophet Lut (as) (his people who engaged in homosexuality)?
Do you know the punishment (given by Islam) for men if they get caught doing such an action?

There is no point talking about Islam with this person. He obviously doesn’t have faith. His previous post clearly points that out.
 
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I will defend whatever I feel is the right thing to do. Homosexuality is a trait all prevalent in nature and among humans of all races and ethnicities. The vast majority of our society is made of numbskulls who are ready to go and kill people just merely accused of blasphemy, proclaim to love Prophet more than their own lives yet every day take actions contrary to his teachings.
Screw this mullah infested cesspool of what we pass as values.


Oh I dont know may be this:

Yo, Dont waste your strength.

Mullahs have the most sickest mentality.

To them, freedom of speech is a thing as long as it goes with their narrative.
Same with freedom of expression, and thoughts and every free willed human wants to do.

Do you know what happened to the people of Prophet Lut (as) (his people who engaged in homosexuality)?
Do you know the punishment (given by Islam) for men if they get caught doing such an action?

Well, whatever problem you have with society or with mullahs, one thing is certain - engaging in homosexuality is haram. It is upto Muslim governments to act and make sure that these lgbt groups don't spread.

You're so sick that you'll do the same barbaric act people did back in the day?
Are you incapable of thinking for your self and others in good faith instead of wanting to throw down the hammer of thor against those people you think are wrong?

Why do you feel the need to indulge in ANYONES personal affair?
Who gave you that right?

Oh right, Uncle Molvi did....
 
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Yo, Dont waste your strength.

Mullahs have the most sickest mentality.

To them, freedom of speech is a thing as long as it goes with their narrative.
Same with freedom of expression, and thoughts and every free willed human wants to do.



You're so sick that you'll do the same barbaric act people did back in the day?
Are you incapable of thinking for your self and others in good faith instead of wanting to throw down the hammer of thor against those people you think are wrong?

Why do you feel the need to indulge in ANYONES personal affair?
Who gave you that right?

Oh right, Uncle Molvi did....

What is up with these closet gay supporters on PDF? Suddenly they all gather in such topics to vent their frustration. Aren’t you also having your way?
 
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You're so sick that you'll do what people did back in the day?
Are you incapable of thinking for your self and others in good faith instead of wanting to throw down the hammer of thor against those people you think are wrong?

Why do you feel the need to indulge in ANYONES personal affair?
Who gave you that right?

Oh right, Uncle Molvi did....

Are you Muslim?

I don't think these lgbt people are wrong, I know they're wrong.

There is no point talking about Islam with this person. He obviously doesn’t have faith. His previous post clearly points that out.

It's disappointing man. Here in the Uk, we have Muslim parents protesting against lgbt being taught to their kids in school. And these two guys, I think they live in Pakistan, a Muslim nation, yet they're undermining their own religion and trying to corrupt society.
 
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Are you Muslim?

I don't think these lgbt people are wrong, I know they're wrong.

Sure, I'm a muslim.
Born and bred in Pakistan, Son.

What are you going to do about that? Get a fatwa against me?

And no, you don't know ANY one of these people, and you DONT know what they want and why.

You are NOBODY to go against their mindset, other than express your displeasure and whatever-phobia you may have.

The only true corruption is parasites like you taking charge of the religion to oppress anyone you DONT like.


What is up with these closet gay supporters on PDF? Sudddenly they all gather in such topics to vent their frustration. Aren’t you also having your way?

I support everyones right and their thoughts.
I dont support oppressive draconion mindset drones that only want to further their local molvis agenda to the world.
 
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