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The multi-billion deal for 36 Rafale fighter jets could see French defence major Dassault Aviation entering into a joint venture with state-run HAL or any private player to set up a base here for augmenting its existing production line.

Defence sources said such a step, if taken, will not only allow the French firm to ramp up its production rate but will help it to meet offset obligations in India, likely to be 30-50 per cent of the sales value.
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Considered as the first major push under 'Make in India' category in defence sector, the approach will also mean that the French company would stand a better chance in case the Indian government decides to go for more Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft later than the initial 36 agreed.

It will allow Dassault Aviation to set up manufacturing facilities in India to augment its existing production line in Merignac in France under a joint venture with HAL or a private player of its choice. From the operation and sustainment perspective also, creating of these facilities will help the IAF, the sources said.

These issues among others would be discussed during the forthcoming visit of French Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian on May 6 with his Indian counterpart Manohar Parrikar and National Security Advisor Ajit Doval, they said.

The Minister is flying down on May 5 from Qatar to firm up the modalities as India wants the fighter aircraft as soon as possible.

"This visit will focus on firming up the broad parameters for the deal under which the contract would eventually be inked," the sources said.

French sources said they "are open to any idea" but insisted that nothing has been fixed as yet.

"We will have to see how the meeting will go and then get a feedback to actually decide what can be done. We are open to all ideas. Something will have to be done," they said when asked about the plans for a joint venture.

The production rate of Dassault Aviation for Rafale stands at about 1 aircraft per month. However, the company has bagged three major contracts this year totalling to 84 aircraft, all of which have to be delivered fast.

The latest contract to be won by Dassault was from Qatar for 24 Rafale fighter jets and MBDA missiles.

Last month, India and France had agreed to get into a government to government contract for 36 Rafale jets in fly-away condition to be delivered keeping the critical requirement of the Indian Air Force in mind.

In February, Egypt had become the first foreign buyer of Rafale with a contract for 24 aircraft. Also, the orders of the French Navy are pending.

While all the three deals are under government to government contract, contours of the agreement in case of deal with India are still unknown as this would be first such deal between France and India in defence.



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The multi-billion deal for 36 Rafale fighter jets could see French defence major Dassault Aviation entering into a joint venture with state-run HAL or any private player to set up a base here for augmenting its existing production line.

Defence sources said such a step, if taken, will not only allow the French firm to ramp up its production rate but will help it to meet offset obligations in India, likely to be 30-50 per cent of the sales value.
Advertisement
Considered as the first major push under 'Make in India' category in defence sector, the approach will also mean that the French company would stand a better chance in case the Indian government decides to go for more Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft later than the initial 36 agreed.

It will allow Dassault Aviation to set up manufacturing facilities in India to augment its existing production line in Merignac in France under a joint venture with HAL or a private player of its choice. From the operation and sustainment perspective also, creating of these facilities will help the IAF, the sources said.

These issues among others would be discussed during the forthcoming visit of French Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian on May 6 with his Indian counterpart Manohar Parrikar and National Security Advisor Ajit Doval, they said.

The Minister is flying down on May 5 from Qatar to firm up the modalities as India wants the fighter aircraft as soon as possible.

"This visit will focus on firming up the broad parameters for the deal under which the contract would eventually be inked," the sources said.

French sources said they "are open to any idea" but insisted that nothing has been fixed as yet.

"We will have to see how the meeting will go and then get a feedback to actually decide what can be done. We are open to all ideas. Something will have to be done," they said when asked about the plans for a joint venture.

The production rate of Dassault Aviation for Rafale stands at about 1 aircraft per month. However, the company has bagged three major contracts this year totalling to 84 aircraft, all of which have to be delivered fast.

The latest contract to be won by Dassault was from Qatar for 24 Rafale fighter jets and MBDA missiles.

Last month, India and France had agreed to get into a government to government contract for 36 Rafale jets in fly-away condition to be delivered keeping the critical requirement of the Indian Air Force in mind.

In February, Egypt had become the first foreign buyer of Rafale with a contract for 24 aircraft. Also, the orders of the French Navy are pending.

While all the three deals are under government to government contract, contours of the agreement in case of deal with India are still unknown as this would be first such deal between France and India in defence.



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This is the most logical roadmap that should be followed. No point buying just 36 rafales.
 
Hope it become reality. If true we would certainly have much more than 126 rafale or even 189:yahoo:
 
Fabulous News . And its seems French are very much interested in opening new line in India.

"We will have to see how the meeting will go and then get a feedback to actually decide what can be done. We are open to all ideas. Something will have to be done,"

And that's something very interesting . But I am not surprised by this very gesture from our French counterparts. India has showed its will to go beyond expectations and inked 36 Rafale so now pressure is on French leadership to move on and to get more orders for their country which will benefit their population in future as well. Finger crossed !!! Hope we won't care whether its HAL or Reliance . @PMO
 
Hi
Sir if I am not wrong a typical Indian airforce squadron consists of 21 aircrafts. 16 Combats+3 Training +2 Reserve=21.
I might be wrong.
You can consult @SpArK @Abingdonboy
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Depends on the fighter type, but generally it's 18 fighters per squadron. The number of twin seaters can differ, especially now with multi role fighters replacing older single role once. For MMRCA 16 single seaters and 2 twin seaters was the initial plan, but in between there were reports that IAF might consider a higher number of twin seaters.
 
Depends on whether MoD decides to consider any negotiations with Saab offer.

Dassault must be sensing that.
 
Hope it become reality. If true we would certainly have much more than 126 rafale or even 189:yahoo:

Not going to happen. At max India will get 60 to 70 rafale. MoD has made it clear that Rafale is not a replacement for MiG 21. Either LCA or Grippen will be made/brought in large numbers to replace MiG 21
 
Depends on whether MoD decides to consider any negotiations with Saab offer.

Dassault must be sensing that.

My guess is that Saab might open manufacturing base even if it won't get part if mmrca .If we are buying gripin then it will be NG or later version with mix of our own configuration. It will take more time for NG to enter production stage(2 years or so) . By that time HAL will manufacturer tejas in numbers and so the main reason to buy gripin will very thin. Where as Rafale as many other dimensional needs for us . from marine version to nuclear power projection. Gripin can't do that . Buy both Tejas and Rafale can .
 
My guess is that Saab might open manufacturing base even if it won't get part if mmrca .If we are buying gripin then it will be NG or later version with mix of our own configuration. It will take more time for NG to enter production stage(2 years or so) . By that time HAL will manufacturer tejas in numbers and so the main reason to buy gripin will very thin. Where as Rafale as many other dimensional needs for us . from marine version to nuclear power projection. Gripin can't do that . Buy both Tejas and Rafale can .


I expect a manufacturing facility of GE414...by GE... That could share the engine of LCA-2 , gripen and maybe AMCA...

Hows that?

My guess is that Saab might open manufacturing base even if it won't get part if mmrca .If we are buying gripin then it will be NG or later version with mix of our own configuration. It will take more time for NG to enter production stage(2 years or so) . By that time HAL will manufacturer tejas in numbers and so the main reason to buy gripin will very thin. Where as Rafale as many other dimensional needs for us . from marine version to nuclear power projection. Gripin can't do that . Buy both Tejas and Rafale can .


Gripen NG is ready and good to go any time soon.
 
Not going to happen. At max India will get 60 to 70 rafale. MoD has made it clear that Rafale is not a replacement for MiG 21. Either LCA or Grippen will be made/brought in large numbers to replace MiG 21
But his point is valid too. Mig21 replacement has nothing to do with MMRCA . We needed mmrca as it was in advanced stage of procurement and so might give us more time we needed to replace MIGs with Tejas. Gripin NG will be well over 70-80 where as Rafale packs more ouch with extra 20-30% cost . And 1 rafale can do the job of 2 gripin. So rafale is what we needed in numbers mainly due to operational front.when our forces battling out to keep sukois and mig29 flying ...
 
My guess is that Saab might open manufacturing base even if it won't get part if mmrca .If we are buying gripin then it will be NG or later version with mix of our own configuration. It will take more time for NG to enter production stage(2 years or so) . By that time HAL will manufacturer tejas in numbers and so the main reason to buy gripin will very thin. Where as Rafale as many other dimensional needs for us . from marine version to nuclear power projection. Gripin can't do that . Buy both Tejas and Rafale can .

I guess Tejas is at least 7 to 8 years away. Grippen has a chance, hence in his interview MoD didn't say specifically Tejas but only mentioned lighter fighters. I guess the best lighter fighter at present is Grippen
 

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