Raad MPTV...any news

[MadDog]

Hey guys recently Raad MPTV was revealed on IDEAS 2008...any news about its test trials and induction...and whether its armour is better than Talha..and Saad APC.

 

[MadDog]

This is its pic

 

[XYON]

The RAAD (or Tarrar) MPTV Program is currently dormant at HIT mainly due to bureaucratic reasons! The good vehicle is spending its days in a shed!

 

[fatman17]

The RAAD (or Tarrar) MPTV Program is currently dormant at HIT mainly due to bureaucratic reasons! The good vehicle is spending its days in a shed!

the economic crunch has started to hit a lot of projects:

JF-17 = 3 to 6 month delay in the deployment of the 1st operational sqdn, even though the chinese have agreed to provide soft loans now but nevertheless the project got delayed.

U214 = deal still not official as the money is not available and the germans are un-willing to grant soft loans.

F-22P will also get hit at some point even though the 1st frigate is now due to be operational by end July.

programs at HIT being delayed or postponed for lack of funds.(eg RAAD etc)

so things are getting tight folks!

 

[mhacsan]

Mate, we will go throug it, and will back on target, Dont worry, we have seen the worst of conditions, and its time to lift us back up as the light has come thorugh in the shape of CJ,

 

[IceCold]

Ahh well we can't expect any better from Mr.10% now can we. And then people use to call musharraf bad
You reap what you sow, people voted for this corrupt tola now suffer the consequences.

 

[z9-ec]

Mate, we will go throug it, and will back on target, Dont worry, we have seen the worst of conditions, and its time to lift us back up as the light has come thorugh in the shape of CJ,

Seriously, please elaborate. How a SCJ could turn around the economy? do you think him being on the chair would attract foreign investment or create an environment for such endeavour? heck, if I were a foreign investor I wouldn't invest in Pakistan with him being there. While he was CJ, numerous developmental programs, construction sites, investments were brought to a halt and under scrutiny for minor tweaks. Several business men and foreign investors were harassed.

Why do you forget that he is responsible for the financial crunch we are facing today. If only he had resigned, Pakistan would have been financially strong to cope up with the global financial crunch.

The oblivious tendency of an ample amount of our population is amusing to say the least.

 

[PAFAce]

Seriously, please elaborate. How a SCJ could turn around the economy? do you think him being on the chair would attract foreign investment or create an environment for such endeavour? heck, if I were a foreign investor I wouldn't invest in Pakistan with him being there. While he was CJ, numerous developmental programs, construction sites, investments were brought to a halt and under scrutiny for minor tweaks. Several business men and foreign investors were harassed.

Why do you forget that he is responsible for the financial crunch we are facing today. If only he had resigned, Pakistan would have been financially strong to cope up with the global financial crunch.

The oblivious tendency of an ample amount of our population is amusing to say the least.

Your display picture gives away your bias, and therefore, all your credibility on the matter. The sacking of the CJ was a mistake, and the re-instatement was a triumph. For the first time after a long time the country stood up for something, and they got it. It is his right to investigate and punish wrong foreign investment, and he did his job. Also, the CJ may have made mistakes, but they are nothing compared with the mistakes of our current and former leaders (Musharraf included). Far be it from me to praise Zardari, but unfortunately for him he is not a complete dictator, which Musharraf was. In Musharraf's case, the power was much more absolute, therefore the mistakes were that much more devastating and irreversable.

However, before you point all your missiles at me, let me point out that I believe Musharraf to be at least a better leader than Zardari, despite all his "blunders" (to put it lightly).

PS: How on earth can you blame a CJ for the "economic crisis"? We are letting Musharraf, his advisors, his foreign policy, the PML-Q and all those other players get away scott free, blaming it all on the CJ! Without independent and proper law and order, nothing can be accomplished. InshAllah, we will have that now.

 

[z9-ec]

Mods: I apologize for being off topic but the issue needs to be addressed.

Your display picture gives away your bias, and therefore, all your credibility on the matter.

Indeed, the avatar and the picture on it is there for a reason or did I imply otherwise, ever?

The sacking of the CJ was a mistake, and the re-instatement was a triumph. For the first time after a long time the country stood up for something, and they got it. It is his right to investigate and punish wrong foreign investment, and he did his job.

The same Steel Mills that he thought was making huge profits and was valued below par is now being run on losses and costing tax payers HUGE. Was it not wise to privatise the Steel Mills while it was prestigious? or was that a crime?

Also, the CJ may have made mistakes, but they are nothing compared with the mistakes of our current and former leaders (Musharraf included).

You have ignored the fact that when he was restored by the SC. Gen. Musharraf accepted the decision and was willing to work in harmony with him but the CJ subsequently chose to derail the passage of reconciliation and chose the path of confrontation between the state pillars. He started meddling in state affairs and national interests.

I remember the day this CJ was sacked and Ansar Alam came on GEO's capital talk show and confessed that he was guilty on national TV which he later refuted. Question, is the CJP above law?

Far be it from me to praise Zardari, but unfortunately for him he is not a complete dictator, which Musharraf was. In Musharraf's case, the power was much more absolute, therefore the mistakes were that much more devastating and irreversable.

Oh come on! seriously, he introduced the true essence of democracy in Pakistan. Free speech, freedom of expression, women empowerment, media revolution, political reforms (mayors) and so much more worth mentioning. I suggest you reconsider and google info about Mugabe of Zimbabwe.

PS: How on earth can you blame a CJ for the "economic crisis"? We are letting Musharraf, his advisors, his foreign policy, the PML-Q and all those other players get away scott free, blaming it all on the CJ!

No one in his right mind would deny the economic stature we stood upon before the drama of a blatant lie disguised as "Free" judiciary was initiated to destablise Pakistan. The economy was financially sound and projected to grow 6-7% in 07 which was effected by the drama.

Without independent and proper law and order, nothing can be accomplished. InshAllah, we will have that now.

Yeah right. Just like the rule of law in Swat, fata and other tribal areas? good luck with that sir.

 

[PAFAce]

z9-ec, your opinions are respected. I have heard what you have to say, and am not convinced. However, I will not be able to convince you of my point of view, so let's agree to disagree. This is not the place for these arguments.

Thanks.

 

[Ratus Ratus]

From the Army Recognition site
IDEAS 2008 Show news daily International defence Exhibition and Seminar military army Karachi Pakist*-*Army Recognition
IDEAS 2008 Karachi, Pakistan

The new tracked armoured vehicle RAAD from Heavy Industries Taxila at IDEAS 2008.
New tracked armoured vehicle launched at IDEAS 2008 by the Pakistani company Heavy Industries Taxila. This company has developed a brand new Multi Purpose Tracked Vehicle (MPTV) called RAAD. The main purpose of this vehicle is reconnaissance, surveillance, and Anti-Tank. The RAAD can be armed with a 50 caliber and Baktar Shikan mounts on top of the developed prototype. The platform is very versatile can be used in many tactical roles in addition to the original intended purpose. RAAD will now be handed over to the Pakistan Army for full fledged desert, high temperature and other firing/ non-firing test and trials before the platform is approved for induction into the ranks of the Army.

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A few points I notice on this and I hope this is but a prototype with future improvements.

1. Its prime role is of this vehicle is reconnaissance, surveillance, and Anti-Tank.
With that height they have to be joking. One might just as well develop version of the old M113 shell for the same job. Then you can throw in a small turret with at least a 75mm gun and AT missile mounts.
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2. The plates are flat and looking at the pictures thin as well. I hope it is a only a representation of the intended design.
There is no excuse now for flat plated designs especially at hull base.
The PA will how ever one wants to look at it, be facing IEDs at some point and this will not survive in its current config, nor will the crew.

3. Rear door seems only able to be traversed by one person at a time so egress is going to be slow in times of immediate need. Forget the top hull doors they don’t look that much better.

4. Driver’s vision is as limited as one expected in some early WWII armoured cars. The drier periscope system looks like a single one at best, not too good for a closed down situation.

5. Water proof to what depth, can it swim?

6. One would be better served with a German PzKw I or II from WWII.

 

[fatman17]

RR-army has sent it back to HIT for further improvements and further this project may lack from funds availability!

 

[Ratus Ratus]

RR-army has sent it back to HIT for further improvements and further this project may lack from funds availability!

Improvements???
Redesign might be a better way to go seriously.

For its intended roles it is badly designed. The M113 with the British Scorpion Turret was far more effective. You only have to rack some AT missiles on the turret and its goes better in the AT role and it floats in water.

Instead of a 75/76mm gun put in a 25mm chain gun..

 

[fatman17]

Improvements???
Redesign might be a better way to go seriously.

For its intended roles it is badly designed. The M113 with the British Scorpion Turret was far more effective. You only have to rack some AT missiles on the turret and its goes better in the AT role and it floats in water.

Instead of a 75/76mm gun put in a 25mm chain gun..

its about availability and use of domestic equipment like ATGW and HMGs. otherwise the costs soar. we dont want a "perfect" weapons system, something close would be fine.

 

[Ratus Ratus]

its about availability and use of domestic equipment like ATGW and HMGs. otherwise the costs soar. we dont want a "perfect" weapons system, something close would be fine.

So that brings me back to the PZKw I or II, HMGs and ATGWs attached. Also lower and less box shaped. Both used in the recon roles. OK the PzKw II had a 20mm auto cannon minor issue.

But the concepts in these 2 old tanks is what is needed not a huge matchbox on tiny tracks.

Anyway why build some new design when you already have the Pakistan version of the M113 to play with.