Question Regarding Islamic Technicalities

[Ahmet Pasha]

Fellow PDFers. I have a question. I know not a lot of us are experts in religion.

In case of ISIS/ISIL, TTP and Al-Qaeda they were fake proxies with heavy RAW, MOSSAD and CIA infiltration. And they were only killing fellow muslims. So they clearly were a force fighting in favor of taghut.

But in case of Kashmir on one hand there are kuffar/mushrikeen and on the other muslims.

So would this situation make geo had fard if such movement starts??

My brother said that in order for it to be fard a caliph has to be present and he has to give the call.

 

[War Thunder]

Fellow PDFers. I have a question. I know not a lot of us are experts in religion.

In case of ISIS/ISIL, TTP and Al-Qaeda they were fake proxies with heavy RAW, MOSSAD and CIA infiltration. And they were only killing fellow muslims. So they clearly were a force fighting in favor of taghut.

But in case of Kashmir on one hand there are kuffar/mushrikeen and on the other muslims.

So would this situation make geo had fard if such movement starts??

My brother said that in order for it to be fard a caliph has to be present and he has to give the call.

No, your brother is wrong.
Since when did struggling in the way of Allah and standing for what is right came interlinked with having a Caliph? That's the propaganda from the anti Islamists and many ignorants become victims to it unfortunately.

The command for defending weak and oppressed Muslims comes in the Quran itself.

Surah Nisa (Verse 75, 76, 77, 78)

And what is wrong with you that you fight not in the Cause of Allah, and for those weak, ill-treated and oppressed among men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from You one who will protect, and raise for us from You one who will help."

Those who believe, fight in the Cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Taghut (Satan, etc.). So fight you against the friends of Shaitan (Satan); Ever feeble indeed is the plot of Shaitan (Satan).

Have you not seen those who were told, "Restrain your hands [from fighting] and establish prayer and give zakah"? But then when fighting was ordained for them, at once a party of them feared men as they fear Allah or with [even] greater fear. They said, "Our Lord, why have You decreed upon us fighting? If only You had postponed [it for] us for a short time." Say, The enjoyment of this world is little, and the Hereafter is better for he who fears Allah . And injustice will not be done to you, [even] as much as a thread [inside a date seed]."

Wherever you may be, death will overtake you, even if you should be within towers of lofty construction. But if good comes to them, they say, "This is from Allah "; and if evil befalls them, they say, "This is from you." Say, "All [things] are from Allah ." So what is [the matter] with those people that they can hardly understand any statement?


This is just my understanding though. Allah knows best.

 

[krash]

But in case of Kashmir on one hand there are kuffar/mushrikeen and on the other muslims.

So would this situation make geo had fard if such movement starts??

My brother said that in order for it to be fard a caliph has to be present and he has to give the call.

Your brother is correct, partly. It's not about a Caliph being present, it's about the state itself declaring the call for Jihad/war. Saves us from the moronic mullahs declaring Jihad every day on every other thing.

That said, the State's declaration will be the hud for a conflict where the Pakistani state is involved directly. If there is no state rule, as in Kashmir, it is left to the individual to exercise his/her better judgment in joining the struggling Muslim forces. Just because its Muslim Vs Non-Muslims does not make it right/just either, the cause needs to be just, which it is in the case of Kashmir. In this case the individual will not be a representative of Pakistan but of the Kashmiri freedom-fighters. It would still be Jihad, but not farz Jihad. It will however be farz for the Muslim State, i.e. Pakistan, to declare support for the struggle and then declare Jihad/war which would then be farz for the citizens.

Someone correct me if I made a mistake please.

No, your brother is wrong.
Since when did struggling in the way of Allah and standing for what is right came interlinked with having a Caliph? That's the propaganda from the anti Islamists and many ignorants become victims to it unfortunately.

The command for defending weak and oppressed Muslims comes in the Quran itself.

Surah Nisa (Verse 75, 76, 77, 78)

And what is wrong with you that you fight not in the Cause of Allah, and for those weak, ill-treated and oppressed among men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from You one who will protect, and raise for us from You one who will help."

Those who believe, fight in the Cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Taghut (Satan, etc.). So fight you against the friends of Shaitan (Satan); Ever feeble indeed is the plot of Shaitan (Satan).

Have you not seen those who were told, "Restrain your hands [from fighting] and establish prayer and give zakah"? But then when fighting was ordained for them, at once a party of them feared men as they fear Allah or with [even] greater fear. They said, "Our Lord, why have You decreed upon us fighting? If only You had postponed [it for] us for a short time." Say, The enjoyment of this world is little, and the Hereafter is better for he who fears Allah . And injustice will not be done to you, [even] as much as a thread [inside a date seed]."

Wherever you may be, death will overtake you, even if you should be within towers of lofty construction. But if good comes to them, they say, "This is from Allah "; and if evil befalls them, they say, "This is from you." Say, "All [things] are from Allah ." So what is [the matter] with those people that they can hardly understand any statement?


This is just my understanding though. Allah knows best.

He is asking about the fight being rightfully declared as Farz Jihad, basically a fight which is obligatory for all the inhabitants of the state. Not about fighting against wrong on a personal level. It's a pretty major and well defined topic in Islamic Jurisprudence. The individual citizen does not have the right to just pick up arms and go on attacking anything and everything which he/she thinks is wrong.

The Surahs that you have quoted are not speaking to individual Muslims but to the Muslim State. In short, when faced with such a situation the state is supposed to declare war/Jihad and once it does then it is farz on all Muslims of that state to answer the call.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

Fellow PDFers. I have a question. I know not a lot of us are experts in religion.

In case of ISIS/ISIL, TTP and Al-Qaeda they were fake proxies with heavy RAW, MOSSAD and CIA infiltration. And they were only killing fellow muslims. So they clearly were a force fighting in favor of taghut.

But in case of Kashmir on one hand there are kuffar/mushrikeen and on the other muslims.

So would this situation make geo had fard if such movement starts??

My brother said that in order for it to be fard a caliph has to be present and he has to give the call.

Answer is simple if your chosen leader an imir or president/PM tells you to take up arms and struggle in the way of Allah then its farz. Dont listen to anyone else except supreme leader of your nation only he has the power according to Quran and teachings of all the Prophets Peace be upon them.

If its not requested by your leader then it is not jihad it is murder and crime be it non muslim or muslim humans.

Ask imran khan chosen leader of pakistan.

 

[313ghazi]

Fellow PDFers. I have a question. I know not a lot of us are experts in religion.

In case of ISIS/ISIL, TTP and Al-Qaeda they were fake proxies with heavy RAW, MOSSAD and CIA infiltration. And they were only killing fellow muslims. So they clearly were a force fighting in favor of taghut.

But in case of Kashmir on one hand there are kuffar/mushrikeen and on the other muslims.

So would this situation make geo had fard if such movement starts??

My brother said that in order for it to be fard a caliph has to be present and he has to give the call.

Your brother is partially correct. Historically declaring War has been the responsibility of the Khalifah. In the absence of a Khalifah and a Khalifat, the duty falls upon the leaders of our nation states.

Islam is very strict in its observance of order. We are not even allowed to overthrow a cruel or evil ruler, unless we have the capacity to succeed. Islam values the life of wider society above your right to register a violent protest.

These modern day Jihadi groups do not act in the true essence of jihad. Most of them are a fitna and a curse upon us.

Of course there are elements who are fighting for freedom in various countries at various times who may not have had the backing of a state. Thier political motives would have been legitimate, thier cause legitimate - but they have no authority islamically to impose thier war upon us as a religious obligation.

For example Riaz Nikoo. He is a Kashmiri mujahid, someone who's cause and politics are legitimate islamically and by the standards of international law. He has a just cause, he can ask for support from states or individuals, but has no authority to mandate our support for him as a religious obligation.

If the government of Pakistan declared it, as Pakistanis we'd be obliged to respond. The state does not have the authority of the khalifah though. The Khalifah is the religious and political authority of the entire Muslim world.

We don't have one anymore. No Tom Dick or Baghdadi can self declare themselves to this position. There are strict conditions on who can be Khalifah and what they need to be recognised.

 

[krash]

For example Riaz Nikoo. He is a Kashmiri mujahid, someone who's cause and politics are legitimate islamically and by the standards of international law. He has a just cause, he can ask for support from states or individuals, but has no authority to mandate our support for him as a religious obligation.

To add to that, and if I'm not mistaken, if a Muslim does decide to join Nikoo's cause it would still be Jihad. Muslims would be advised to but not obligated to join him. However, if another Muslim individual decided to form an armed resistance in Bengal against the Indian State, even if against supposed atrocities committed against Muslims there, then it would not be Jihad. In fact, it would be against the principles and laws of Islam. Only a state then can declare Jihad. The difference being a righteous cause with the right to oppose, i.e. Kashmir is occupied Muslim land where Muslims are being persecuted but Bengal rightfully belongs to India.

 

[War Thunder]

He is asking about the fight being rightfully declared as Farz Jihad, basically a fight which is obligatory for all the inhabitants of the state. Not about fighting against wrong on a personal level. It's a pretty major and well defined topic in Islamic Jurisprudence. The individual citizen does not have the right to just pick up arms and go on attacking anything and everything which he/she thinks is wrong.

The Surahs that you have quoted are not speaking to individual Muslims but to the Muslim State. In short, when faced with such a situation the state is supposed to declare war/Jihad and once it does then it is farz on all Muslims of that state to answer the call.

I never said anything about taking up arms and going to struggle on one's own. I don't know which part of my post even hints about that?
I simply said one does not need a caliph to declare jihad for jihad to be valid.

Besides the Quran is not for a state but for every individual. It's addressing an individual as much as any group or state and yet it does not ask one to go and fight on ones own but to be willing to join in amongst the groups who must stand up against oppression.
And if some one is able and bestowed with the ability to fight and yet cowers from the fear of humans and whatever weapons they bring to the battleground, then they are deprived of Allah's favor and humiliation and slavery is their fate.

 

[krash]

I never said anything about taking up arms and going to struggle on one's own. I don't know which part of my post even hints about that?

Never said that you did. You should read my post again, I explained everything.

I simply said one does not need a caliph to declare jihad for jihad to be valid.

That is what I explained. In most instances it is in fact illegal for a Muslim of the state to fight unless Jihad is declared by the leader of the state, i.e. the Caliph's declaration is required for it to be valid.

Besides the Quran is not for a state but for every individual. It's addressing an individual as much as any group or state and yet it does not ask one to go and fight on ones own but to be willing to join in amongst the groups who must stand up against oppression.

Incorrect. Every commandment in the Quran is specific, hence the importance to understand the context of the revelations. They are not blanketed. The Quran at times speaks to the individual, at times to the State, at times to the society, at times to specific groups within the society and at times even for specific instances and situations. The Surahs that you quoted are indeed speaking to the State and not individual Muslims.

And if some one is able and bestowed with the ability to fight and yet cowers from the fear of humans and whatever weapons they bring to the battleground, then they are deprived of Allah's favor and humiliation and slavery is their fate.

Correct. However, again, the state needs to declare that fight before one is allowed to go and fight.


This isn't my opinion, these aren't my thoughts. This is a very well established subject in Islamic Jurisprudence. Has been for hundreds of years. And it is found on very sound principles.