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Putin wants high-speed rail system

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Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin kicks off a three-day visit to China Monday in hopes of signing $5.5 billion worth of business deals in energy, transport and communications sectors, and to discuss options on combating terrorism and separatism.

Hailing Sino-Russian ties as the best since the collapse of China-Soviet Union relations in the 1960s, experts said energy cooperation will be highest on Putin's agenda.
Putin wants high-speed rail system

According to a draft list obtained by Reuters, a total of 34 deals valued at more than $5.5 billion will be signed during the visit.

They range from a $500 million loan agreement between China's Development Bank and its Russian equivalent, VEB, to joint projects in transport, infrastructure, construction and mineral extraction.

Putin will attend the 14th bilateral prime ministers' regular meeting with his Chinese counterpart, Premier Wen Jiabao.

Putin, who stepped down as president last year but remains Russia's most influential figure, visited China for the first time in July 2000 after being officially sworn into office.

Putin and Wen will also sign an intergovernmental agreement on the notification of the upcoming ballistic missile launches, as well as agreements on cross-border migration, Reuters reported.

"The warning before launches is the first-ever between China and Russia, also rarely seen in the world," Li Daguang, a military expert at China's National Defense University, told the Global Times, adding that "the launches of ballistic missiles are core State-secrets that will not be notified to other countries, except when they are friendly enough."

He also noted that it is a positive result of China's military-centered parade on National Day earlier this month.

"China-Russia relations are at their best since the collapse of Soviet Union relations in the 1960s," Jia Qingguo, dean of the School of International Studies at Peking University, told the Global Times yesterday.

Russia could secure colossal financial support from China, due to sustainable and mutually beneficial economic ties, he said.

High-speed railway

China and Russia are also preparing to sign other

agreements, including a memorandum of understanding on a high-speed railway system in Russia.

Russia is lagging behind China in its development of road and rail infrastructure, with many of its subway trains unchanged since the Soviet Union era.

In the 1950s, the former Soviet Union helped China with railway construction, among other projects, according to Zhou Shijian, a senior researcher at the Institute of Sino-US Relations at Tsinghua University.

"Now, it's our turn to help them build railways," Zhou said. "The deal indicates that our technology has surpassed theirs. Reform and opening up enabled China, a developing nation, to catch up."

An industry insider said China's high-speed railway technology impressed politicians from more than 30 countries during the past years, including those from the US, Britain and Japan.

The capability to build new railway lines for trains of up to 350 kilometers an hour, as well as the relatively lower costs, were the major competitive edges China has, he said.

Energy cooperation highlighted

"China will further promote the energy cooperation between the two countries, and endeavor to ensure that the Sino-Russian crude-oil pipeline goes into operation before the end of 2010 and starts supplying oil in 2011," Wang Guangya, China's vice minister of foreign affairs, said at a press conference Friday.

In another development, China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC) and Rosneft Oil will reportedly sign a $4 billion agreement on an oil refinery in Tianjin, North China, with a productivity of 15 million tons of petroleum products, during Putin's stay.

In October 2008, the two countries signed an agreement to launch a crude pipeline from Skovorodino, Russia's Eastern Siberia, to China, to transport about 20 million tons of oil. Another agreement in the works includes China agreeing in February to provide $25 billion in loans for 15 million tons of oil from Russia annually over the next 20 years.

"As far as I know, there are many more deals to be signed, other than the reported 38," said Xia Yishan, head of the China Energy Strategy Research Center under the China Institute of International Studies, adding that energy cooperation ranging from natural gas, oil, and nuclear power would gain major progress.

According to Russian media reports, members of the ruling United Russia party attended a forum Thursday featuring "State management" in north China. The Russian officials were interested in learning how the Communist Party of China successfully led the country through the global economic crisis, according to the Russian newspaper Businessmen.

Russia's trade with China soared to $56.8 billion in 2008 from $9.3 billion in 2002. The share of oil in Russia's exports stands at 56 percent, with metals at 5 percent, while the share of machinery stands at 4.4 percent, statistics showed.

As the international financial order undergoes subtle changes, the status of both the ruble and reminbi will rise, and they become stable currencies, said Wang Lijiu, a researcher of Russia at the China Institutes of Contemporary International Relations.

Bilateral cooperation by the pair would be conducive to the recovery of world economy, Wang said.

Zhang Han and Guo Qiang contributed to this story
 
china must take this advantage to know clearly the russian railway routes distribution in case of russia assembly huge troops to invade chinese abundant ,productive and fertilized land like they did one century ago. those polar bears without human grateful sensations devouring the land of their neighbourhood when they grew strong , all they know about is expand colonial grabbed land and confront with the enemies they created on their own.. you help them to build the railway means they are using your hands to enhance their transportation ability to allocate military resources in short time to launch blitzkerg lightning attack on populous and industrialized north east , the mongolia,the hai sen wei(vladivostock, conqueror annexing the east), the northern lake for shepherding have been split to create your internal commotion and military strategic disadvantages, so be extremely careful about this while you are operating (playing with) it...
 
china must take this advantage to know clearly the russian railway routes distribution in case of russia assembly huge troops to invade chinese abundant ,productive and fertilized land like they did one century ago. those polar bears without human grateful sensations devouring the land of their neighbourhood when they grew strong , all they know about is expand colonial grabbed land and confront with the enemies they created on their own.. you help them to build the railway means they are using your hands to enhance their transportation ability to allocate military resources in short time to launch blitzkerg lightning attack on populous and industrialized north east , the mongolia,the hai sen wei(vladivostock, conqueror annexing the east), the northern lake for shepherding have been split to create your internal commotion and military strategic disadvantages, so be extremely careful about this while you are operating (playing with) it...

currently or anytime in the near future there is a close to zero percent chance that russia will invade any part of china, just as china will not invade russia, the boarder issue between the two have been solved for a while now and relations have been warm. as for the blitzkrieg... china is deep enough(landwise) that any surprise attack will not penetrate far enough to paralyze the country, and the areas the surprise attack does take will be faced with an incredible hostile chinese population(especially in the populous industrialized north east) not counting the nuclear force, the 2.3 million troops of the PLA will mobilize followed by 1.4 million reserves and 4 million paramilitary backed by the full resolve of the modern day Chinese people to never surrender(see WW2). not the kind of war any world power wants to fight even in the worst of situations, let alone when you know you simply cant win(occupy).
 
To help Russia repair high-speed rail is not wise, Russia is not a trusted friend, if one day China-Russia war, it is not impossible. Russia's large number of troops will be sent to the Chinese border within in day
 
To help Russia repair high-speed rail is not wise, Russia is not a trusted friend, if one day China-Russia war, it is not impossible. Russia's large number of troops will be sent to the Chinese border within in day
Explain this statement please.
 
Just as US may get suspicious every day what if sometime in the future China has more SSBN's than anyone else in the world, what would China do to its Asia Pacific interest; Russians are wary of Chinese should they develop any motive toward Siberia (Chinese for a long time considers Part of Siberia and Sakhalin their territory lost to Russians in War during the late Qing dynasty).

I posted in another thread a total rejection of US interest in Asia Pacific is not in the Chinese interests; and maybe the Russians are worried too much since there just aren't enough little Russian babies. Russian dads are too busy drinking Vodka than paying more attention to their wives. :lol:

Chinese has to smooth the Russian feathers as well.

Sino-US relationship in the Asia Pacific is a hedge against the Japanese; Sino-Russia relationship is a hedge against the US. Chinese don't want to see a complete fallout of US. That's pretty much what I see.

A Chinese version of master Yoda would say:" Smooth everyones feather in the world is our job, we do.":cheesy:
 
AS you know, the Russian Far East has always been China's territory, and the Chinese people also hope one day it will be able to return to China, although it is unlikely. Now the Chinese government will not have territorial claims, but Russia does not trust China, has been wary of China, the Russian Far East were also very anti-Chinese.
 
yo, the time has not come to ripe yet, the china and russia will now never confront with each other, but who knows if the geopolitics situation changes dramatically due to china rises and usa,russia declining...anyway, the russia is being guilty of robbing those vast land away, so a robbers act cautiously to avoid the facts(grabbed item to be returned) in the far future......how can the russians get away with this land occupation act accompanied by mass killing of the original residents(genocide), no justice at all being sensed??
 
china must take this advantage to know clearly the russian railway routes distribution in case of russia assembly huge troops to invade chinese abundant ,productive and fertilized land like they did one century ago. those polar bears without human grateful sensations devouring the land of their neighbourhood when they grew strong , all they know about is expand colonial grabbed land and confront with the enemies they created on their own.. you help them to build the railway means they are using your hands to enhance their transportation ability to allocate military resources in short time to launch blitzkerg lightning attack on populous and industrialized north east , the mongolia,the hai sen wei(vladivostock, conqueror annexing the east), the northern lake for shepherding have been split to create your internal commotion and military strategic disadvantages, so be extremely careful about this while you are operating (playing with) it...

Don't worry. We Chinese thought about that. I read an article on China's selection of her high speed rail track standard years ago, saying that China is still suspicious on the standard close/similar to Japan's and has chosen sth different, in case of any war invasion scenarios when Japan can revise a bit of her high speed trains and take them to Chinese heartlands with troops, using Chinese rail tracks. etc.
 
china must take this advantage to know clearly the russian railway routes distribution in case of russia assembly huge troops to invade chinese abundant ,productive and fertilized land like they did one century ago....
china is not the china before.

nowadays half of the iron and steel of the world are produced in china and china makes more than 16million vehicles per year, the total energy production and consumption of china is 3 times larger than that of Russia or japan.

so we can sit down and talk peasefully about trade and billiteral friendship with russians though we don't have much A-bombs as they have.
 
To help Russia repair high-speed rail is not wise, Russia is not a trusted friend, if one day China-Russia war, it is not impossible. Russia's large number of troops will be sent to the Chinese border within in day

China should perhaps limit the construction of high speed rails in the west of Ural mountain, or 100 miles around Moscow, just as Russia limited Chinese deployment of SU-27 in the south of Yangtze River.
 
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china is not the china before.

nowadays half of the iron and steel of the world are produced in china and china makes more than 16million vehicles per year, the total energy production and consumption of china is 3 times larger than that of Russia or japan.

so we can sit down and talk peasefully about trade and billiteral friendship with russians though we don't have much A-bombs as they have.


Song Dynasty had N times more energy consumption than Mongols and produced M times more silvers, silk products, teas... Song Dynasty also had advanced financial system, unparalleled legal system, the finest education…

Did all that help?
 
Song Dynasty had N times more energy consumption than Mongols and produced M times more silvers, silk products, teas... Song Dynasty also had advanced financial system, unparalleled legal system, the finest education…

Did all that help?

you miss one factor of millitary abilities in ancient time that is the sustainable supplying of horses suitable for battle. song dynasty's strategical weakness is its' lack of horses due to the geological separation from the north west.

and also, the Mongols have equal technology when it comes to the art of battle such as gun powders and iron production.

but today's situation is different. we have surpassed Russia in almost every aspect of military potential and the ability of mobilization——from the production of steel, vehicle( or tank in war time), power(electricity), ships and right now it comes to airplanes and aircrafts. half of china's gdp, which is 4 times larger than Russia's, is manufacturing and the gap will be wider in the future. we generate 5 more times engineers than Russia's and yes they all help when china faces a war.

since both country knows it is no good to have a war between them(due to Russian's nuclear missiles and china's regular forces) so peace is guaranteed.
 
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