PTA bans official Ahmadi website: Report

Myth_buster_1 · Jul 8, 2012

Mech said:
Mohammed was a man of contradictions anyway. He says one thing...does another.

Hindu religion is like a children's story book the only thing different that in your religion fools worship cartoon characters.

funtoosh · Jul 8, 2012

Myth_buster_1 said:
correction, Allah however does say in the quran to obey the prophet and also says that those who obey him is as if he she has obeyed me. That means what ever the prophet has said has been approved by allah.

there is conflict of interest here because the prophet says that god told him and god told to obey him.. if god had told someone else to obey mohammad its okay.. but here its clearly conflict of interest and thus not valid

Myth_buster_1 said:
Hindu religion is like a children's story book the only thing different that in your religion fools worship cartoon characters.

nope we are secure enough that our characters and their message can be spread thru cartoons

Safriz said:
For the infidels yes...
But for us beleivers He was perfect..
Thanyou...

you believe prohet but not qadiani (AS) ?

Myth_buster_1 said:
Prophet Mohammed and Jesus were both prophets.

Your so called God is DEAD who does not exist anymore and you fool consider him the greatest? Soon you will consider sachin tungulkar your god because he made the most centuries in cricket! Kid, humans can not be god because god is only ONE who created the entire universe including the heavens and earth living and non living things.

Where the hell did i say Islam is "peace" like ****? Please stop proving us that you are mentally retarded.

Jesus was a son of god according to christians.. you are muslim so obviously cannot comment on christianity. ask this from any christian.
GOD is one , and he came in the form of Ram and Krishna.. hope you understand that.
do you agree that islam is religion of peace or not?

Mech · Jul 8, 2012

Safriz said:
For the infidels yes...
But for us beleivers He was perfect..
Thanyou...

The man broke his own rules. Much unlike Christ Jesus who walked the talk.

Anyway, i dont want to derail the discussion. For Christians (me included) mohammed isn't relevant. Just like you dont consider imam mehdi relevant.

Why not live and let live ?

Myth_buster_1 said:
Hindu religion is like a children's story book the only thing different that in your religion fools worship cartoon characters.

Im a Christian :lol:

funtoosh · Jul 8, 2012

Safriz said:
For the infidels yes...
But for us beleivers He was perfect..
Thanyou...

all are infidels both you and me.. i am infidel to you and you to me.. that makes 2 of us..

Myth_buster_1 · Jul 8, 2012

funtoosh said:
I dont care where the idols were residing.. your prophet broke it, thereby hurting religious sentiments of pagans..

If someone is to create a religion which involves the worship of human feces and place them in your temples will you not destroy them?
If the prophet had created a crime he would have concealed from the future generations.

similarly if a quran is torn then what will god do? nothing..

We do not worship the Quran you fool! If someone burns a quran it does not effects the religion because it is protected by God meaning no one can change the words of quran. It has remained the same ever since it was revealed to the prophet.

so does it mean that quran does no4 contain gods words?

no comments.

like i said a constitution is a basis for a government. Mohammad only was an imperialist and wanted an empire on the basis of a unifying factor which in this case was religion. it was plain simple empire building and nothing to do with god.

Just for the sake of argument even if he was a imperialist then atleast he gave non muslims rights to practice their religion and your opinion does not really matter because you are just a fool and a fool has no value.

funtoosh said:
all are infidels both you and me.. i am infidel to you and you to me.. that makes 2 of us..

Not to forget you are also a fool

Mech said:
The man broke his own rules. Much unlike Christ Jesus who walked the talk.

Jesus was a prophet who was blessed with special abilities by god.

Anyway, i dont want to derail the discussion. For Christians (me included) mohammed isn't relevant. Just like you dont consider imam mehdi relevant.

who said imam mehdi has no relevance?

Why not live and let live ?

no prob with that.

and its time for me to get ready for a long trip.

Mech · Jul 8, 2012

Myth_buster_1 said:
We do not worship the Quran you fool! If someone burns a quran it does not effects the religion because it is protected by God meaning no one can change the words of quran. It has remained the same ever since it was revealed to the prophet.

That's cute. Is that why you folks cry "death to *insert name here*" when some random nutjob burns the qur'an ? Not to mention, the subsequent ransom announcement and demands for decapitation.

Hell your people burned a crazy person ALIVE for burning your holy book a couple of days ago.

funtoosh · Jul 8, 2012

Myth_buster_1 said:
If someone is to create a religion which involves the worship of human feces and place them in your temples will you not destroy them?
If the prophet had created a crime he would have concealed from the future generations.
We do not worship the Quran you fool! If someone burns a quran it does not effects the religion because it is protected by God meaning no one can change the words of quran. It has remained the same ever since it was revealed to the prophet.

no comments.

Just for the sake of argument even if he was a imperialist then atleast he gave non muslims rights to practice their religion and your opinion does not really matter because you are just a fool and a fool has no value.

Not to forget you are also a fool

Jesus was a prophet who was blessed with special abilities by god.

who said imam mehdi has no relevance?

no prob with that.

and its time for me to get ready for a long trip.

1. if someone created human faces and called him god we will choose to worship him or not.. the pagans existed in meccca and medina before the advent of islam. so technically islam came and threw out the incumbent gods.
2. if a quran is torn, then why are people getting so upset ? its about respect. if nothing happens to gods words then why is there a death penalty in Pak for burning Quran? Now if Mohammad smashed Pagan gods and asked what can the gods do , what guarantee that he has not been punished by those gods? maybe Mohammad is in pagan hell. well we'll never know.
3. no comments whether quran contains gods words? i thought you said that in point 2
4. so you agree he was imperialist? (do i have to agree i am a fool .. lol)
after that you are being repetitive with the fool thing because you have been defeated in a religious debate,.

Thor · Jul 8, 2012

This should have been done a long time ago...... Ahmadis, like the Bahais can go ahead and practice their faith, as long as they dont associate themselves to Islam and deliberately misguide unsuspecting Muslims. They are a cult and nothing more, and I have on many occasions shown why they are Not Muslims, and by their own writings, all Muslims themselves are not a part of islam hence it is a bit rich coming from Ahmadis that they are being isolated.

They have on many occasions been informed to stop spreading their mischief yet they continue and hence such actions are necessary.......

Freedom of speech goes to a limit, not to a point of insulting the other without evidence otherwise the Kashmiri freedom fighters should be allowed to openly recruit, teach, and openly call for freedom without the fear of being jailed.......as all, everything has its limits and the Ahmadis too have crossed theirs........

Thor · Jul 8, 2012

funtoosh said:
1. if someone created human faces and called him god we will choose to worship him or not..

True, and it our job as Muslims to explain, reason and argue about this worship of idols of your own manufacture, abit like making a video recorder and worshipping it.........

funtoosh said:
the pagans existed in meccca and medina before the advent of islam. so technically islam came and threw out the incumbent gods.

This is why it is so hard to explain to people like yourself about Islam.......... Islam technically also existed before mankind and is simply a continuation of the religion passed on from Prophet to Prophet....... please learn about Islam before hitting the quote button

funtoosh said:
2. if a quran is torn, then why are people getting so upset ? its about respect. if nothing happens to gods words then why is there a death penalty in Pak for burning Quran? Now if Mohammad smashed Pagan gods and asked what can the gods do , what guarantee that he has not been punished by those gods? maybe Mohammad is in pagan hell. well we'll never know.

Point is..... it is the very people who used to worship such idols who broke their idols having converted/reverted to Islam. Tearing of the Quran should not be an issue and just shows ignorance, and patience and steadfastness is a strength which Muslims had in abundance and should try to follow today....... an example is that during the time of our beloved Prophet (PBUH) a pagan used to enter the mosque and urinate. Not once did anyone ever harm him and he was allowed to do what he did and leave followed by Muslims who would clean it all up........ Yes, today we have black sheep in our community, which exist in every community....

funtoosh said:
3. no comments whether quran contains gods words? i thought you said that in point 2

Your viewpoint............. means nothing though....... example of video recorder above

funtoosh said:
4. so you agree he was imperialist? (do i have to agree i am a fool .. lol)
after that you are being repetitive with the fool thing because you have been defeated in a religious debate,.

defeated in a religious debate........ when have Hindus ever been able to hold a debate in a two way street, bringing Islam and Hinduism into the fold and discussing the respected religions.........Please dont make me remind you of the words of Winston Churchill

iPhone · Jul 8, 2012

haviZsultan said:
By the failed logic of such foolish Wahabi thinkers the Ahmedis call themselves Muslims but are not in reality? Why? Because they do not believe in the finality of Prophet Muhammed and count an extra prophet. Now this is enough for them being killed, their sites blocked, their worship places ransacked, their people murdered on false blasphemy charges and the list goes on.

Lets apply the same concept our Wahabi hawks apply to the Christians and Jews. Now they do not believe Muhammad. We do so we have actually added another prophet they consider isn't a prophet.

Then them killing us is totally justified isn't it? Our sites should be blocked in the west, we should be stopped from worshiping because we are challenging the finality of Jesus? Such a crime! Ohhhh... .

once again, the most important aspect of Islam to become muslim, "There is no god but Allah, and Prophet Mohammed (SW PBUH) is his last Prophet."
And yes you are not muslim if you dont believe in the finality of Prophet Mohammed, PBUH.

Ahmedis can give zakats all they want, pray five times a day all they want, fast during the holy month all they want, but they will not become muslim because of their belief of Mirza as a prophet, nauzbillah.

Yes, Christian and Jews don't consider Prophet Mohammed the last prophet because they are not Muslims, they are a different religion. They dont want to be called Muslim. Ahmedis shoud do the same.

Finally, I think mods should close this thread. This debate is spinning out of control and indian trolls are once again talking out of their rear without showing any respect to our religious beliefs and holy figures. Poor Indian muslims have to put up with this all their lives.

Thor · Jul 8, 2012

Lonely Hermit · Jul 8, 2012

Religion the opium of masses.

ANG · Jul 9, 2012

Thor said:
Below slides are in order and are an eye opener as to why we will NEVER agree with Ahmadis........EVER and to date I am awaiting a response from Ahmadis and their sympathisers about the below written by their Prophet Mirza Ghulam Ahmad

Hi Mr. Thor, what you are too ignorant to realize is that, Ahmadis are free to believe and say whatever they want. If you do not agree with their literature or beliefs, do not listen or read it, it is a simple as that. Freedom of expression, plain and simple. Oh I forgot, they have insulted Islam and they should be persecuted and butchered for that...

Islam is a religion of tolerance and does not need to be defended. Islam is a great religion and strong enough on its own and has survived and grown for over a thousand years.

punit · Jul 9, 2012

THOSE REJOICING TODAY @ TETA NUMBER BHI AAYEGA :coffee:

ANG · Jul 9, 2012

S_O_C_O_M said:
these ahmadis consider an indian to be their prophet.

enough said.

Hi, not to digress, all Pakistanis originally were Indians.... Geez, would you kindly please think about history before you post?

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