Predator drones flown from base in Pakistan: US Senator ! WHO IS LYING

[asaad-ul-islam]

some of the attacks do originate from Pakistan, Reaper airstrikes that is. However, H Khan also had something to say about that:

Most of these attacks by the USA in Pakistan are conducted via B-52, B-1, and F-15E using PGM an even JDAM.

The US has been using RQ-4 Block 20 Global Hawk since 2006. It is capability to fly at 65,000 feet and perform ground surveillance of the war theater without any hinderence.

The problem lies that the USAF aircrafts physically don't violate Pakistan's airspace. Since they fly between 30-35,000 feet inside the Afghan airspace about few miles inside the border from that height they can easily drop a PGM and JDAM into a target in Pakistan's border towns.

I'm not saying that USAF aircrafts have never violated Pakistan's airspace but right now there are standing orders for PA AD units to shot any unidentified aircraft flying without permission from Afghanistan.

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[roadrunner]

Its been known long time ago, Predator stationed in Pakistan, NWFP and Balchistan. Before they used to operate from Jacobabad. And they are operated by both Pak and US intelligence services. Whats big deal about that.

he big deal is this.

1) The Pakistani government lying to its people

2) The Lollywood/Hollywood scripted drama that the government is playing, like it's some sort of game.

3) Innocent people being killed. Not on.

Another thing that springs to mind. If Pakistan is doing all this, what the phuck are the Americans complaining about?

It looks like this is all after Musharraf to me.

 

[roadrunner]

Try to locate this in Google earth (Will be within Pakistan's Territory)

I dunno if they'd be that stupid to leave drones out on display and then deny Pakistan has any.

They might be some home brand.

 

[fatman17]

he big deal is this.

1) The Pakistani government lying to its people

2) The Lollywood/Hollywood scripted drama that the government is playing, like it's some sort of game.

3) Innocent people being killed. Not on.

Another thing that springs to mind. If Pakistan is doing all this, what the phuck are the Americans complaining about?

It looks like this is all after Musharraf to me.[/QUOTE]

RR maybe just!

 

[asaad-ul-islam]

You can see that the frequency of airstrikes increased only after September 2008, after the tacit agreement with Zardari and company.
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The head of al-Qaida's operations in Pakistan has been killed by a US air strike in South Waziristan, close to the Pakistani border with Afghanistan, a US counter-terrorism official has said.

Usama al-Kini was believed to be responsible for attacks including the bombing of a Marriott hotel in Islamabad that killed 55 people in September, and an unsuccessful attempt to kill the former Pakistani prime minister Benazir Bhutto, who was later assassinated, the official added.

In the last week the US has concluded that Hellfire missiles fired from a remotely piloted Predator aircraft operated by the CIA killed Kini - along with his lieutenant Sheikh Ahmed Salim Swedan - in the tribal area on 1 January. Both men were Kenyan-born and on the FBI's list of most-wanted terrorist suspects. They were indicted for the 1998 bombings of US embassies in Tanzania and Kenya and were believed to have trained operatives to travel to the US and Europe.

"Al-Kini was a ... lethal operations figure within al-Qaida. The demise of a succession of senior al-Qaida figures is certain to have at least a near-term debilitating effect on the group," the official said.

Kini, whose given name was Fahid Mohammed Ally Msalam, was believed to be 32. He became head of al-Qaida's operations in Zabul province in Afghanistan after the September 11 attacks in 2001, and by 2007 was the organisation's operations chief in Pakistan.

Neither the CIA nor the Pakistani government commented on reports of Kini's death. The US does not officially confirm air strikes, reflecting sensitivity over raids by US drone planes on Pakistani territory.

The strikes have prompted public outrage in Pakistan, where there is widespread anger over the breach of the country's sovereignty and the death of civilians in some of the attacks. There is also scepticism about the strikes' alleged targets.

"How many times have they said they killed the head of al-Qaida's Pakistan chapter?" said Muhammed Amir Rana, director of the Pak Institute for Peace Studies, an independent thinktank in Islamabad. "The cost is collateral damage and has the effect of encouraging violent radicalisation in Pakistan."

The strikes, which have increased in frequency, have piled pressure on Pakistan's fragile civilian government. While ministers and the army routinely protest against the attacks, it is thought the strikes are tolerated because they are aimed at foreign nationals linked to al-Qaida, rather than local Taliban militants.

US forces in Afghanistan carried out about 30 missile strikes in Pakistan in 2008, according to Reuters, most of them since September. Kini was the eighth senior al-Qaida leader to have died since July, the counter-terrorism official said.

While senior military and counterterrorism authorities say the increased Predator strikes have pushed some insurgents deeper into Pakistan, the al-Qaida leader, Osama bin Laden, and his deputy, Ayman al Zawahiri, are believed to be at large and hiding in the Afghan-Pakistan border area.

Separately, a series of blasts around a theatre in the eastern city of Lahore last night injured at least six people.

Al-Qaida chief Usama-al-Kini killed in Pakistan, US claims | World news | The Guardian

 

[roadrunner]

my problem with all this is.

If it's all a hoax, how do we know who they're killing?

all, i can see is Zardari offering some sort of blood sacrifice (innocent people), to appease Kali (the US), along with the transfer of 10% of some monetary quantity.

Despicable, if true.

 

[HAIDER]

he big deal is this.

1) The Pakistani government lying to its people

2) The Lollywood/Hollywood scripted drama that the government is playing, like it's some sort of game.

3) Innocent people being killed. Not on.

Another thing that springs to mind. If Pakistan is doing all this, what the phuck are the Americans complaining about?

It looks like this is all after Musharraf to me.

Because politicians are not brave enough to say either NO to US or tell the truth in their constituencies. Well its undefined war and after so many years, US or NATO is unable to justify Afghan operation to their own people, how they can sell the stories to those who are directly affected of this war (people of Pakistan)..

 

[asaad-ul-islam]

this wouldn't have been a problem if the new govt. managed the economy properly from the beginning of their rule. political infighting and instability led to our downfall. thanks to Dar-economics (courtesy of Ishaq Dar) of badmouthing Pakistan's economy when it wasn't even that bad in the first place, Pakistan faced $29 billion of capital flight. The new govt. had no choice but to turn to the IMF and the World Bank, or else face bankrupty. The only way Pakistan could get aid is through the US, which leads us to where we are right now.

 

[roadrunner]

The the politicians need to be changed. Did Zardari wipe the impeachment clause from the Constitution yet?

 

[zhero]

Zardari is the man for the job at hand.

Sleek & slimy....ideal candidate(?) for the top job.

 

[HAIDER]

Zaradari need lot more then that to keep in power for another 10 years. But if politician has clean record then its easy to deal with west. If the west knows politician is corrupt then they know how to handle him...Zaradari already taking long ride on corrupt roads...But another " adil hokmran and Muglia Shahzada" Nawaz Sharrif is waiting in line to rule again, who is taking dictation from Mullah groups and Saudies.

 

[Cheetah786]

As i said before would you all rather have these dirt bags fighting pakistan military or have pakistan airforce bombing them it was well known that our government was in it and Americans were playing the bad cop but no one listens.

 

[roadrunner]

As i said before would you all rather have these dirt bags fighting pakistan military or have pakistan airforce bombing them it was well known that our government was in it and Americans were playing the bad cop but no one listens.

It wasn't "well known" in the slightest. Why else did Pakistan government use the cover of acting out this Hollywood/Lollywood drama? Precisely because it was not well known.

As for dirtbags, how do we now know who was killed? We do know innocent people have been killed, now it's a question of did they get any bad guys while offering up these sacrifices to Kali?

 

[S-2]

"Because politicians are not brave enough to say either NO to US or tell the truth in their constituencies."

Too late to get out in front of this issue. Your nat'l discourse is long, long overdue. The disconnect between your people's desires and your government's actions is too profound. One or the other has to give.

The only way the people shall give in from their previously-shaped perceptions is by a compelling narrative of the truth now and your leadership's past sins. It must be sufficiently powerful and persuasive to lead your citizenry to a new perspective of your insurgency.

If not, your citizens will likely to choose a reactive course that isolates your nation and collapses your fledgling democracy. Pakistan, to some extent, is now suffering from it's past rhetoric and political positions.

Does anybody know who H. Khan is and where this might have come from-

After the ACM made the statement that PAF can shoot down any drone, anytime, and anywhere. Zardari and Gilani had their pants on fire because of what ACM said. ACM was summoned to explain his statement to the Presidential Palace. The meeting lasted 12 minutes only and it was a standing meeting only. Other people of interest present during this meeting were Defense Minister, and Information Minister along with Zardari and Gilani. ACM stood his ground and said what he said was the truth. It was said that Sherry Rehman was smoking cigarettes like there was no tomorrow and was visibly upset and said that the ACM should resign. But Zardari injected if ‘’…if he resigns than people will think that we are weak and unpatriotic…’’

It's powerful stuff.

 

[zhero]

The only way the people shall give in from their previously-shaped perceptions is by a compelling narrative of the truth now and your leadership's past sins. It must be sufficiently powerful and persuasive to lead your citizenry to a new perspective of your insurgency.

If not, your citizens will likely to choose a reactive course that isolates your nation and collapses your fledgling democracy. Pakistan, to some extent, is now suffering from it's past rhetoric and political positions.

- I don't think that is too likely. It is still seen as 'Americas War'.

- I am surprised that there haven't already been mass demonstrations, if the people are not satisfied with the govt.