Power breakdown as terrorists blow up grid

[Daneshmand]

You're right.

But the article says: Demand is 17,000mw
Ministry says: Demand is 14,000mw.

This is what I'm confused about. How can demand go lower after one year. But then perhaps you're right and the author is saying average demand is 17gw a year (doesn't say in article explicitly and the article was posted in January last year, so I thought I could be comparing apples to apples here, demand being in the fall season) and current demand is 14,000mw. Either way, I agree that the demand is extremely low for a country like Pakistan.

Just a note, Canada is a cold country and has a lot of electric stoves and heating, so it will be having greater electric demand than Pakistan.

Yes, I think it is because that 17 GW figure is for average all around year demand. You can check about the peak demand in summer months and if it is higher than 17 GW it means that your article is saying the truth. The current demand must be lower because of winter (I assume fans, refrigerators and airconditioners must not be as in demand as they are in summer).

Well cold as well as hot. Ontario has two peaks both summer and winter. In summer for air conditioning and in winter for heating. This as well as industries which consume alot of electricity. But even if you do not look at Canada, you can take the example of Iran. The city of Tehran has a peak demand of 9 GW with all of it supplied and consumed. And it is just one city. The peak summer demand of whole of Iran is 50 GW which again is met completely and there is no shortage. So I would say, both the consumption and demand is quite low in Pakistan.

It turns out our naraz baloch bhai are to blame for this

Wow. So in addition to low supply and demand, there are people who are sabotaging the grid as well. Boy, you guys are in real trouble.

 

[Norwegian]

The peak summer demand of whole of Iran is 50 GW which again is met completely and there is no shortage

Its because of Iranian revolution. Where is Pakistani revolution?

 

[Daneshmand]

Its because of Iranian revolution. Where is Pakistani revolution?

I think it would be simplistic to think that way. Many other countries that did not have any revolution have high electricity consumption and some other countries that had revolution have low electricity consumption. And with current trends in Muslim countries and the kind of revolutions happening eg. in Libya and Syria, revolution only means destruction. It is not 1970's anymore. That was a different era.

I think Pakistan's problem in this area at least has more to do with bureaucratic management than with politics. Such low consumption and supply levels indicate decades of inaction. For example how many power plants were contracted to be built in year 2000? Because power plants specially the big ones eg hydro-electric ones take a long time to design build and fully operationalize sometimes even taking a decade and a half. Even a combined cycle power plant will take about 3 to 4 years to design and build on fast track basis.

A revolution can only be a solution when the overwhelming majority of people want it and are ready to sacrifice for it. And it should be a completely homegrown one with no outside support at all (in fact the outsiders must be all be opposed to it). In addition to these, it must have an ideology, which will be the core of such a revolution. Only such revolutions have been successful. The artificial ones only bring more misery as you can see in history as well as in current affairs.

 

[nvKyleBrown]

Wikipedia has actual production numbers, but they are 6-8 years out of date. Those numbers have Pakistan at 47 watts/person average consumption (not demand, demand is virtually impossible to measure). India is about double that - basically the same without the 50% downtime (assuming the estimates elsewhere in the thread are accurate about availability). China is about 10x Pakistan, and the US (not the highest) is about 40 times Pakistan. I'd be more worried about losing power in winter than summer - drink more water and stay in the shade works in summer, in winter you'll freeze to death without some sort of heat. (My heat is natural gas, which requires electric ignition - power out means no heat, and I have only electric backup heat - AND freezing in the winter might mean burst pipes, which means I'd have to turn the water to the house off till repaired. Summer, no biggie, winter, disaster!)

List of countries by electricity consumption - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[syedali73]

It turns out our naraz baloch bhai are to blame for this

They are not naraz Baloch bhai but Indian/Afghan -paid terrorists who happen to speak Balochi. I will urge you to call them terrorists for that is who they are.

 

[nvKyleBrown]

I think Pakistan's problem in this area at least has more to do with bureaucratic management than with politics. Such low consumption and supply levels indicate decades of inaction. For example how many power plants were contracted to be built in year 2000? Because power plants specially the big ones eg hydro-electric ones take a long time to design build and fully operationalize sometimes even taking a decade and a half. Even a combined cycle power plant will take about 3 to 4 years to design and build on fast track basis.

Well, the running cost is a bit higher, but you can get skid-mounted gas turbine-generator sets shipped in and setup in a couple weeks. Thermal efficiency will be half of a combined-cycle plant. Given the recent drop in fuel prices, it might be attractive to Pakistan to get the additional generation online, if it weren't for the problem of transmission line limitations. That's a more serious problem to address, it will take time.

 

[Daneshmand]

Wikipedia has actual production numbers, but they are 6-8 years out of date. Those numbers have Pakistan at 47 watts/person average consumption (not demand, demand is virtually impossible to measure). India is about double that - basically the same without the 50% downtime (assuming the estimates elsewhere in the thread are accurate about availability). China is about 10x Pakistan, and the US (not the highest) is about 40 times Pakistan. I'd be more worried about losing power in winter than summer - drink more water and stay in the shade works in summer, in winter you'll freeze to death without some sort of heat. (My heat is natural gas, which requires electric ignition - power out means no heat, and I have only electric backup heat - AND freezing in the winter might mean burst pipes, which means I'd have to turn the water to the house off till repaired. Summer, no biggie, winter, disaster!)

List of countries by electricity consumption - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Demand is always estimated and is pretty much accurate. That is how the grid managed. I took out line losses and background load and gave an educated guess based upon current production level and it is pretty much close to that Wikipedia figure you quoted (which does not factor in background load and line losses both of which are not available to consumers). I guess in Pakistan it is pretty much other way around. The winters are not that harsh and probably liveable without any energy expenditure, just warm clothes. But summers would be harsher needing fans and air conditioning.

Well, the running cost is a bit higher, but you can get skid-mounted gas turbine-generator sets shipped in and setup in a couple weeks. Thermal efficiency will be half of a combined-cycle plant. Given the recent drop in fuel prices, it might be attractive to Pakistan to get the additional generation online, if it weren't for the problem of transmission line limitations. That's a more serious problem to address, it will take time.

Yes, that should be an option specially now that the oil prices have gone down and seem to remain down for a few years. But I would still prefer combined cycle plants. After all if you have to do something, then do it right. The modern combined cycle plants reach an efficiency of over 80% and if it is a trigeneration technology then even over 90%. Cheap mobile turbine generators hardly reach 30% efficiency. Such plants should be set up near to main consumption centers for example major cities so the need for long transmission lines is kept to minimum.

 

[OrionHunter]

This is bad news for the industries in Pakistan. This is sure to create a slowdown in the economy.

As mentioned above, people associated with the power industry said this was expected to happen considering the lethargy on part of government officials especially in arranging furnace oil supply. The politicians and bureaucrats responsible for the mess need to be sacked forthwith or else it will be more of the same.

 

[pursuit of happiness]

things going bad to worst..
you cant protect inch -inch line of trasnmission .. if any one want to blow it..
but ultimatley
popple are paying price who have nothng do with all tha mandness

 

[baqai]

power was restored in 6-7 hours time in Karachi

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

mr raheel shareef now its time to kick some butts in blochistan

 

[Folkindia]

Things just going from bad to worse, hopefully power is restored and some semblance-of-sanity prevails.

 

[Gautam]

I condomn RAW for doing this. Just to stop freedom fighters (charity workers) from attacking while the US president is in India, RAW should not destroy the entire power grid which supplies electricity to many ordinary citizens which has nothing to do with freedom fighting.

 

[Lord ZeN]

Support for terrorism is not allowed on PDF.
@WebMaster @Horus @Jango Please note this support for terrorism. Please take appropriate action against the poster and those who thank him for his terrorist support.

Aren't you the same person who was supporting terrorism in Kashmir.

 

[karakoram]

I condomn RAW for doing this. Just to stop freedom fighters (charity workers) from attacking while the US president is in India, RAW should not destroy the entire power grid which supplies electricity to many ordinary citizens which has nothing to do with freedom fighting.

Indian and their bullshit at best. Kiddo its a serious topic go and troll some where else.