Poland Welcomes Increased British Military Presence

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@bobo6661 @Blue Marlin @mike2000 is back @flamer84 @waz @Abingdonboy @Steve781
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Polish and British defense officials say there are plans for a stronger British military presence in Poland to reassure members on NATO's eastern flank concerned about Russia's resurgence.

But Warsaw and London are giving mixed messages on the exact nature of Britain's involvement.

Polish Defense Minister Antoni Macierewicz said in a broadcast late Thursday that there will be a "permanent presence" of some 1,000 British troops in Poland starting next year.

But Britain's Ministry of Defense said Friday that Britain will send 1,000 troops to exercises in Poland this year and 1,000 to join a Polish-led NATO high-readiness task force in 2020. The task force will be led by a different NATO country every year, so the British commitment to Poland would just be for 2020.

Macierewicz's comments came after he held talks in Edinburgh with British Defense Minister Michael Fallon and the two declared their cooperation in strengthening NATO's eastern flank.

Poland, a former Soviet satellite state, has been seeking a greater presence of NATO troops on its soil in light of Russian actions in Ukraine, and hopes to achieve new commitments at a NATO summit in Warsaw in July.

Fallon, in an interview with Polish state media Wednesday, said Britain plans to increase the number of troops it sends regularly to Poland.

"We are looking at a more persistent presence in Poland, so there is almost a continuous rotation of British army units in Poland and visits by our ships," Mallon said.

Attempts by the AP to get further details Friday from the Polish Defense Ministry were unsuccessful.

Poland Welcomes Increased British Military Presence - ABC News

 

[mike2000 is back]

@bobo6661 @Blue Marlin @mike2000 is back @flamer84 @waz @Abingdonboy @Steve781
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Polish and British defense officials say there are plans for a stronger British military presence in Poland to reassure members on NATO's eastern flank concerned about Russia's resurgence.

But Warsaw and London are giving mixed messages on the exact nature of Britain's involvement.

Polish Defense Minister Antoni Macierewicz said in a broadcast late Thursday that there will be a "permanent presence" of some 1,000 British troops in Poland starting next year.

But Britain's Ministry of Defense said Friday that Britain will send 1,000 troops to exercises in Poland this year and 1,000 to join a Polish-led NATO high-readiness task force in 2020. The task force will be led by a different NATO country every year, so the British commitment to Poland would just be for 2020.

Macierewicz's comments came after he held talks in Edinburgh with British Defense Minister Michael Fallon and the two declared their cooperation in strengthening NATO's eastern flank.

Poland, a former Soviet satellite state, has been seeking a greater presence of NATO troops on its soil in light of Russian actions in Ukraine, and hopes to achieve new commitments at a NATO summit in Warsaw in July.

Fallon, in an interview with Polish state media Wednesday, said Britain plans to increase the number of troops it sends regularly to Poland.

"We are looking at a more persistent presence in Poland, so there is almost a continuous rotation of British army units in Poland and visits by our ships," Mallon said.

Attempts by the AP to get further details Friday from the Polish Defense Ministry were unsuccessful.

Poland Welcomes Increased British Military Presence - ABC News

This is welcome development indeed. The more Russia keeps provoking its neighbors, the more they will seek our help/protection and we will oblige as always.

UK to send 1,000 troops to Poland: Move is a show of solidarity in the face of Russian aggression

• Michael Fallon to announce commitment to NATO exercises in country
• Comes after talks with his Polish counterpart at a military summit in Paris
• Also be seen as attempt to get Polish to soften on benefit curbs demands
• Polish president Andrzej Duda has been making conciliatory noises

By LARISA BROWN AND JASON GROVES FOR THE DAILY MAIL

PUBLISHED: 01:20, 20 January 2016 | UPDATED: 07:58, 20 January 2016

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Michael Fallon (pictured) is to announce a commitment to carrying out NATO exercises in Poland

Britain is to send 1,000 troops to Poland in a show of solidarity against Russian aggression.

Defence secretary Michael Fallon will announce the commitment to NATO exercises in the country today following talks with his Polish counterpart at a military summit in Paris.

The timing of the move will also be seen as an attempt to persuade the Polish government to soften its opposition to David Cameron’s demand for benefit curbs as part of his renegotiation of Britain’s relationship with the EU.

Poland has been a leading critic of the plan to prevent EU migrants claiming benefits in this country for four years.

But in recent days, Polish president Andrzej Duda has been making conciliatory noises, saying: ‘We need to reach a compromise… in order to preserve the UK’s place in the EU.

‘We think it would lead to a big crisis and even a collapse if the UK left the EU.’

Mr Fallon will say: ‘The long history between our countries is deeply rooted.

‘This troop commitment demonstrates the UK’s vital work with Nato allies, including Poland, to ensure our collective forces are primed and ready, and sends a clear message to our allies that we are ready to respond to any threat.’

The defence secretary will also reveal that RAF jets have nearly trebled their strikes against Islamic State (IS) in recent weeks.

Between May and October last year the monthly average of UK strikes was 29 - but this figure soared in December to over 80.

British troops training in Estonia. Britain has already deployed 600 troops to Balkan states to deter Russia.
In the first week of January alone there were 31 strikes on fanatics in both Syria and Iraq.

Jihadists were wiped out as they fired machine guns and hid in underground tunnels near Raqqa plotting their next attack.

The move is made in the face of Russian aggression, but will also be seen as a way of getting Polish to soften on its opposition to the benefits curbs David Cameron wants as part of the EU renegotiation

UK to send 1,000 troops to Poland to show solidarity to Russia | Daily Mail Online
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[Steve781]

I like Poland but what exactly have they done for us to make it worthwhile?

 

[nangyale]

I like Poland but what exactly have they done for us to make it worthwhile?

Boosted your population by a few million since 2004, does that count?

 

[waz]

I like Poland but what exactly have they done for us to make it worthwhile?

Old ties I guess.

 

[bobo6661]

Boosted your population by a few million since 2004, does that count?

The same you did to Sweden UK etc?

Any way what will 1000 soldiers do when war theoretically start ?

I like Poland but what exactly have they done for us to make it worthwhile?

Like in the war with Russia we will get the first nukes in

 

[Steve781]

Boosted your population by a few million since 2004, does that count?

A few million is an over estimate. It's about three quarters of one million.

 

[mike2000 is back]

I like Poland but what exactly have they done for us to make it worthwhile?

THIS IS MORE THAn JUST POLAnD BRO. You have to uunderstand the geo political games that is going on out there. Always Look at things from the bigger picture

 

[nangyale]

The same you did to Sweden UK etc?

Like in the war with Russia we will get the first nukes in

Me, really?
Although I would like to have a few million in kids and grankids, but I guess it would be a bit difficult. I was planning on becoming a sperm donor maybe that will help.

 

[nangyale]

A few million is an over estimate. It's about three quarters of one million.

Okay then 3/4 of a million.
But that's a good number to add to your population, in return UK can send maybe a few thousand of it's soldiers to protect the ones left behind in Poland.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Okay then 3/4 of a million.
But that's a good number to add to your population, in return UK can send maybe a few thousand of it's soldiers to protect the ones left behind in Poland.

why is that? Poland is a fellow E.U country, we have the same/similar religion/culture etc. so we don't have much issues with travelling/moving to one another country, since we are in E.U countries and its far easier for each of us to integrate/blend in each other country's.But when we have people coming from thousands of miles away from another continent with different beliefs/culture/religion/way of life etc, then that creates more challenges/issues.
think of it as Afghanistan Pakistan,Syrians in Lebanon,Iraqis travelling to Iran, Kuwaiti in Saudi Arabia etc. I'm sure you will agree with me that it's more easier/reasonable for them to blend in/integrate than for them to travel thousands of miles to another continent the other side of the world.

A few million is an over estimate. It's about three quarters of one million.

Even if it was, i don't see any the problem here for the very same reasons i mentioned above. Plus there are also millions of our citizens retiring /living/buying properties in other E.U countries. It's the benefit of being in E.U and free movement after all.
Two million British people emigrated to EU, figures show
EU migrants moving to UK balanced by Britons living abroad - FT.com

 

[nangyale]

why is that? Poland is a fellow E.U country, we have the same/similar religion/culture etc. so we don't have much issues with travelling/moving to one another country, since we are in E.U countries and its far easier for each of us to integrate/blend in each other country's.But when we have people coming from thousands of miles away from another continent with different beliefs/culture/religion/way of life etc, then that creates more challenges/issues.
think of it as Afghanistan Pakistan,Syrians in Lebanon,Iraqis travelling to Iran, Kuwaiti in Saudi Arabia etc. I'm sure you will agree with me that it's more easier/reasonable for them to blend in/integrate than for them to travel thousands of miles to another continent the other side of the world.


Even if it was, i don't see any the problem here for the very same reasons i mentioned above. Plus there are also millions of our citizens retiring /living/buying properties in other E.U countries. It's the benefit of being in E.U and free movement after all.
Two million British people emigrated to EU, figures show
EU migrants moving to UK balanced by Britons living abroad - FT.com

Look if you want to pick a fight with a country like Russia for some historical grievances that the Poles may have than by all means, be my guest and see how it goes for you.
I just wish and hope that you leave the rest or Europe out of it, as I and a lot of others don't want another World War.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Look if you want to pick a fight with a country like Russia for some historical grievances that the Poles may have than by all means, be my guest and see how it goes for you.
I just wish and hope that you leave the rest or Europe out of it, as I and a lot of others don't want another World War.

Who talked about war?? Plus since when are you the spokesman for other European countries, their foreign policy and the threats they face?? Everything i said here are mere facts ad its just a observation of what is already happening, not some wishful thinking or whatever. lol
Britain, France deploy 8 fighter jets to Lithuania and Poland — RT News
Lock and Load: NATO Deploys Fully Armed Eurofighters to Russian Borders
The Aviationist » German Typhoons have intercepted 7 Russian Air Force combat planes over the Baltic Sea today
Sweden Considers Joining UK-led Joint Expeditionary Force
Nordic, Baltic States To Share Capabilities
Nordic nations agree on defense cooperation against Russia| Reuters
Nordic countries extend military alliance in face of Russian aggression | World news | The Guardian

Not to worry though, there will never be a war between any P5 powers much less between NATO and Russia. It's just that each side is just making its point and limits known. So don't worry about your safety. There will be no world war III. lol

 

[nangyale]

Who talked about war?? Plus since when are you the spokesman for other European countries, their foreign policy and the threats they face?? Everything i said here are mere facts ad its just a observation of what is already happening, not some wishful thinking or whatever. lol
Britain, France deploy 8 fighter jets to Lithuania and Poland — RT News
Lock and Load: NATO Deploys Fully Armed Eurofighters to Russian Borders
The Aviationist » German Typhoons have intercepted 7 Russian Air Force combat planes over the Baltic Sea today
Sweden Considers Joining UK-led Joint Expeditionary Force
Nordic, Baltic States To Share Capabilities
Nordic nations agree on defense cooperation against Russia| Reuters
Nordic countries extend military alliance in face of Russian aggression | World news | The Guardian

Not to worry though, there will never be a war between any P5 powers much less between NATO ad Russia. It's just that each side is just making its point and limits known. So don't worry about your safety. There will be o world war III. lol

I don't represent any government, European or otherwise. When did I say that I speak for any country?
I only expressed a desire for peace.
and it's not just me there are plenty of people in and around Europe who wish for a stop from this constant warmongering. Don't take my word for it. Here's an open letter from prominent Germans, who's words hold a lot more credibility than a nobody like yourself.

Prominent German Signatories – Open Letter: Another war in Europe? Not in our name!

First posted on, and translated by, the website War Is A Crime.org


Letter published first in the german newspaper DIE ZEIT on December 5th, 2014

https://cooptv.wordpress.com/2014/1...tories-another-war-in-europe-not-in-our-name/

Nobody wants war. But North America, the European Union and Russia are inevitably drifting towards war if they do not finally halt the disastrous spiral of threat and counter-threat. All Europeans, Russia included, jointly hold responsibility for peace and security. Only those who do not lose sight of this goal are avoiding irrational turns.

The Ukraine-conflict shows that the addiction to power and domination has not been overcome. 1990 at the end of the Cold War, we were all hoping for that. But the successes of the policy of detente and the peaceful revolutions have made us sleepy and careless, in the East and the West alike. For US-Americans, Europeans and Russians the guiding principle to banish war permanently from their relations has been lost. Otherwise, the for Russia threatening expansion of the West to the East, without simultaneously deepening cooperation with Moscow, as well as the illegal annexation of the Crimea by Putin, can not be explained.

In this moment of great danger for the continent, Germany has a special responsibility for the maintenance of peace. Without the will for reconciliation from the Russia people, without the foresight of Mikhail Gorbachev, without the support of our Western allies and without the prudent action by the then Federal Government, the division of Europe would not have been overcome. To allow German unification to peacefully evolve was a great gesture, shaped by reason from the victorious powers. It was a decision of historic proportions.

From overcoming the division in Europe a solid European peace and security order from Vancouver to Vladivostok should have developed, as it had been agreed to by all 35 Heads of State and Government of the CSCE Member States in November 1990 in the “Charter of Paris for a New Europe”. On the basis of agreed established principles and through first concrete measures a “Common European Home” was supposed to be established, in which all the States concerned should have equal security. This post-war policy goal has to this day not been redeemed. The people of Europe have to live again in fear.

We, the undersigned, appeal to the federal government of Germany to assume their responsibility for peace in Europe. We need a new policy of détente in Europe. This is only possible on the basis of equal security for all with equal and mutually respected partners. The German government is not following a “unique German path”, if they continue to call, in this stalemated situation, for calm and dialogue with Russia. The Russians’ security requirements are as legitimate and just as important as those of the Germans, the Poles, the Baltic States and Ukraine..

We should not look to push Russia out of Europe. That would be unhistorical, unreasonable and dangerous for peace. Ever since the Congress of Vienna in 1814 Russia has been recognized as one of the global players in Europe. All who have tried to violently change that have failed bloody – the last time it was the megalomaniac Hitler’s Germany that set about a murderous campaign to conquer Russia in 1941.

We call upon the Members of the German Bundestag, delegated by the people to deal appropriately with the seriousness of the situation, to attentively preside over the peace obligation of their government. He, who props up a bogeyman ascribing blame to one side alone, exacerbates tensions at a time when the signals should call for de-escalation. Inclusion instead of exclusion should be the leitmotif for German politicians.

We appeal to the media to comply with their obligations for nonbiased reporting, more convincingly, than they have thus done. Editorialists and commentators demonize whole nations, without crediting their history. Every able foreign policy journalist will understand the fear of the Russians, since NATO members in 2008, invited Georgia and Ukraine to become members of the alliance. It’s not about Putin. State leaders come and go. What is at stake is Europe. It’s about taking away the people’s fear of war. Towards this purpose, a responsible media coverage based on solid research can help a lot.

On October 3, 1990, on the Day to Commemorate German Reunification, German President Richard von Weizsäcker said: “The Cold War is overcome; freedom and democracy will soon be put in place in all countries … Now they can conduct their relationships within a compact and secure institutional framework, from which a common life and peace order can arise. For the people of Europe a completely new chapter in their history begins. The goal is a Pan-European project. This is a huge challenge. We can archive it, but we can also fail. We face the clear alternative to unite Europe, or in line with painful historical examples, to fall back again into nationalist conflicts in Europe. “

Until the Ukraine conflict we thought we here in Europe were on the right track. Today, a quarter of a century later, Richard von Weizsäcker’s words are more relevant than ever.

Signatories:

Mario Adorf, Actor
Robert Antretter (Former Member of German Parliament)
Prof. Dr. Wilfried Bergmann (Vice-President Alma Mater Europaea)
Luitpold Prinz von Bayern (Königliche Holding und Lizenz KG)
Achim von Borries (Regisseur und Drehbuchautor)
Klaus Maria Brandauer (Schauspieler, Regisseur)
Dr. Eckhard Cordes (Chair of Ost-Ausschuss der Deutschen Wirtschaft)
Prof. Dr. Herta Däubler-Gmelin (Former Federal Minister of Justice)
Eberhard Diepgen (Former Mayor of Berlin)
Dr. Klaus von Dohnanyi (First Mayor der Freien und Hansestadt Hamburg)
Alexander van Dülmen (Vorstand A-Company Filmed Entertainment AG)
Stefan Dürr (Geschäftsführender Gesellschafter und CEO Ekosem-Agrar GmbH)
Dr. Erhard Eppler ( Former Federal Minister for Development)
Prof. Dr. Dr. Heino Falcke (Propst i.R.)
Prof. Hans-Joachim Frey (Vorstandsvorsitzender Semper Opernball Dresden)
Pater Anselm Grün (Pater)
Sibylle Havemann (Berlin)
Dr. Roman Herzog (Former President of Federal Republic Germany)
Christoph Hein (author)
Dr. Dr. h.c. Burkhard Hirsch (Former Vice-President of Federal Parliament)
Volker Hörner (Akademiedirektor i.R.)
Josef Jacobi (Biobauer)
Dr. Sigmund Jähn (Former Astronaut)
Uli Jörges (Journalist)
Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. Margot Käßmann (ehemalige EKD Ratsvorsitzende und Bischöfin)
Dr. Andrea von Knoop (Moskau)
Prof. Dr. Gabriele Krone-Schmalz (Former Correspondent ARD in Moskau)
Friedrich Küppersbusch (Journalist)
Vera Gräfin von Lehndorff (artist)
Irina Liebmann (author)
Dr. h.c. Lothar de Maizière (Former Minister-President)
Stephan Märki (Intendant des Theaters Bern)
Prof. Dr. Klaus Mangold (Chairman Mangold Consulting GmbH)
Reinhard und Hella Mey (Liedermacher)
Ruth Misselwitz (evangelische Pfarrerin Pankow)
Klaus Prömpers (Journalist)
Prof. Dr. Konrad Raiser (eh. Generalsekretär des Ökumenischen Weltrates der Kirchen)
Jim Rakete (Fotograf)
Gerhard Rein (Journalist)
Michael Röskau (Ministerialdirigent a.D.)
Eugen Ruge (Schriftsteller)
Dr. h.c. Otto Schily (Former Federal Minister of the Interior)
Dr. h.c. Friedrich Schorlemmer (ev. Theologe, Bürgerrechtler)
Georg Schramm (Kabarettist)
Gerhard Schröder (Former Head of Government, Bundeskanzler a.D.)
Philipp von Schulthess (Schauspieler)
Ingo Schulze (author)
Hanna Schygulla (actor, singer)
Dr. Dieter Spöri (Former Federal Minister of Economy)
Prof. Dr. Fulbert Steffensky (kath. Theologe)
Dr. Wolf-D. Stelzner (geschäftsführender Gesellschafter: WDS-Institut für Analysen in Kulturen mbH)
Dr. Manfred Stolpe (Former Minister-President)
Dr. Ernst-Jörg von Studnitz (Former Ambassador)
Prof. Dr. Walther Stützle (Staatssekretär der Verteidigung a.D.)
Prof. Dr. Christian R. Supthut (Vorstandsmitglied a.D. )
Prof. Dr. h.c. Horst Teltschik (Former Chancellor advisor for Security and Foreign Policy)
Andres Veiel (Regisseur)
Dr. Hans-Jochen Vogel (Former Federal Minister of Justice)
Dr. Antje Vollmer (Former Vice President of the Bunderstag)
Bärbel Wartenberg-Potter (Bischöfin Lübeck a.D.)
Dr. Ernst Ulrich von Weizsäcker (scientist)
Wim Wenders (Regisseur)
Hans-Eckardt Wenzel (songwriter)
Gerhard Wolf (Schriftsteller, Verleger)

 

[bobo6661]

I don't represent any government, European or otherwise. When did I say that I speak for any country?
I only expressed a desire for peace.
and it's not just me there are plenty of people in and around Europe who wish for a stop from this constant warmongering. Don't take my word for it. Here's an open letter from prominent Germans, who's words hold a lot more credibility than a nobody like yourself.

There was once a way of thinking pore them they didnt do it becose they wonted they are attacking others but we need to make a peaceful solution we need to talk talk ask them to stop .... And bam We had a WW2