PLA strikes with bridge building in Ladakh!

[Cookie Monster]

No you can't.
It will take more time.


Yes. Your second observation is very correct. The anti PRC coalition is still at it's infancy. That can be a major reason for a PRC invasion.


Of course. When existence is at stake...

What do u think of the first observation...any disagreement is welcome

 

[ashok321]

India is too desperate to find a middle ground.

The arrangements were made for the meeting from our side, but the Chinese didn’t show up. The military meeting is important because it is part of India’s efforts to calm tempers and end the standoff between the Indian and Chinese troops. India is also interested in knowing whether China will send its representative to attend the ceremonial border personnel meetings (BPMs), which is to be held on August 15.

The Indian Army has sent its invite to the PLA for the August 15 meeting, according to another government official. If PLA attends the meetings, it would indicate an improvement in ties. It is important to note that PLA didn’t invite its Indian counterparts for BPMs on August 1, even though such invites are sent every year.

India is soooo desperate to patch up and find a middle ground to vacate the spot.
Or worried about the sword of Damocles which is hanging over it?

 

[HariPrasad]

India is too desperate to find a middle ground.

India is soooo desperate to patch up and find a middle ground to vacate the spot.
Or worried about the sword of Damocles which is hanging over it?

Hey, finding a way for your master"s face saving who are humiliated very badly by modi. It seems that jhihadis and commies have even lost the power of threatening. Their cheerleaders on PDF are finding it difficult to defend their humiliated masters.

 

[ashok321]

Hey, finding a way for your master"s face saving who are humiliated very badly by modi. It seems that jhihadis and commies have even lost the power of threatening. Their cheerleaders on PDF are finding it difficult to defend their humiliated masters.

Why you are seeking a middle ground to exit gracefully.
Why don't you wait and fight your way till the end?

Why asking for flag meetings?

 

[manlion]

 

[SingaporeGuy]

PLA is waiting for IA to open fire...

 

[scorpionx]

Your armoured corps started a month back. Have not reached yet. When this one will be completed, comrade?

 

[noksss]

Come for the Kashmir valley liberation but stay for street to street fighting in Delhi and thermonuclear-style 1962!

Awesome dude that would be a funny fight thermonuclear-style

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

I have been saying this to the Indians, but they just don't get it. Russians will sell India out in a jiff, we know their Brahmos source codes and can easily jam that Russian missile.

You have already done to their SU-30s according to the Indian journalists and ex-generals in their articles in Indian Defense Review....

 

[Pakistani E]

You need to rephrase, Kashmir belongs to Kashmiri Sunni Muslims only and not anyone else.
Say clearly what you want to say dude.

I am not a Sunni Muslim. My grandfather fought in the first Kashmir war, and helped liberate Azad Kashmir.

 

[ashok321]

No border meet as Chinese army doesn’t respond

 

[Nilgiri]

In Chinese eye, Donglang is NOT a dispute area and it has been under Chinese control long before the current incident, the fact that even India can't deny, and thus far Bhutan has not claimed it asked India to intervene, despite heavy pressure from de facto occupying Indian force.

We can understand your strategic concern about "chicken neck", but trespassing into other's territory in the name of protecting Bhutan is sneaky, and we all know which country is bullying small countries in South Asia.

We really don't care about your "eye" on the matter. Fact of the matter is Bhutan has a dispute with you on that plateau (Bhutan has officially confirmed such), you didn't bother to resolve it with them first (discuss your eye, discuss their eye, come to agreement etc), you pushed their first soldiers out of the area (this was suppressed) when they sent them to challenge your construction team so India stepped in given this road serves only one purpose (certainly doesnt connect a tibetan population to another) and is a clear violation of the status quo agreement.

Then your govt clearly illustrated it either has little to no handle on global times (which started spouting all kinds of nonsense over 2 months now) or actively wants this much face lost over a non-issue. Ok its your choice on that too. It's clear to everyone neutral out there who barked too much this time.

As for Bhutan not asking India to intervene in the first place, sorry the Bhutanese foreign minister visiting Delhi recently said the exact opposite that India and Bhutan cooperated on this right from the start when China started the road construction to begin with and heeded no prior warnings from either them or India.

I mean you refuse to listen and acknowledge to Bhutan official position and responses on their own govt websites:

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...n-bhutanese-position/articleshow/60031588.cms

Even right now, anyone can go to the Bhutan govt website and read for themselves their position on the matter.

http://www.mfa.gov.bt/press-releases/press-release-272.html

Yet we have this blatant lieing:

"A few days ago, a Chinese diplomat told a visiting Indian media delegation that Bhutan had conveyed to China through diplomatic channels that the area of the standoff is not its territory," says the Global Times editorial.

Bhutan and India do not cooperate through officially announced requests for such matters, there is a deep security framework. No country in NATO asks another NATO country for official announced permission with dotted i's and crossed t's to move military assets when time is of essence, thats decided at NATO HQ similarly. Neither was the combined India-Bhutan military operations against Indian separatist groups that had camped out there "announced" first when that was carried out.

Now it seems someone finally got the memo to Global Times that their loud mouthing only hurts China....so there is that progress at least. With time there will be resolution to this peacefully, and all of them involve no more road there and probably agreeing to disagree on interpretation of the exact boundary given no habitation. How long that takes is dependent on de-ramping the optics of face so crucial to China govt....but beyond the global times bluster, they know of the red line very clearly now and its not worth it to actually escalate past it.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

No border meet as Chinese army doesn’t respond

The Indian side already offered to retreat from the beginning, as long as China promised to stop building the road that threatens their Chicken's Neck. They want a mutual withdrawal.

China on the other hand sees no reason to stop building in either sector.

 

[Dungeness]

you pushed their first soldiers out of the area (this was suppressed) when they sent them to challenge your construction team so India stepped in given this road serves only one purpose (certainly doesnt connect a tibetan population to another) and is a clear violation of the status quo agreement.

"A Bhutanese soldier who started 2nd Sino-India War", humm, very nice story. Who told you this story by the way? Wu Jing may want to have a screen writer for his "Wolf Warrior III".

Yet we have this blatant lieing:

"A few days ago, a Chinese diplomat told a visiting Indian media delegation that Bhutan had conveyed to China through diplomatic channels that the area of the standoff is not its territory," says the Global Times editorial.

We don't know if it was a lie or not. Judging from the credibility of GT and your media, I would choose to believe GT. Remember your government and media had been lied to you about 1962, the backstabbing story, for almost 50 years? Or the story of "ZTZ-96B wheel fell off during Tank Biathlon" that aroused a Canaveral in India a few days ago?

By the way, according to the sentiment of regular Bhutanese, the story may just be true. See for yourself how Bhutanese view about India:

http://wangchasangey.blogspot.com/2017/08/an-authoritarian-india-tends-to-be.html?m=1

Bhutan and India do not cooperate through officially announced requests for such matters, there is a deep security framework. No country in NATO asks another NATO country for official announced permission with dotted i's and crossed t's to move military assets when time is of essence, thats decided at NATO HQ similarly. Neither was the combined India-Bhutan military operations against Indian separatist groups that had camped out there "announced" first when that was carried out.

NATO countries don't blockade LP or Gas or Goods to each other, like what India did to Bhutan in 2013 and to Nepal in 2015. And Nato countries certainly don't annex each other, like you did to Kingdom of Sikkim in 1975. If you try to convince others that India and Bhutan are equal partners, please save it. It is embarrassing if you actually believe it yourself.

Now it seems someone finally got the memo to Global Times that their loud mouthing only hurts China....so there is that progress at least. With time there will be resolution to this peacefully, and all of them involve no more road there and probably agreeing to disagree on interpretation of the exact boundary given no habitation. How long that takes is dependent on de-ramping the optics of face so crucial to China govt....but beyond the global times bluster, they know of the red line very clearly now and its not worth it to actually escalate past it.

GT is THE most hated newspaper in India, and we understand. If Indians find GT to their liking, something must be very wrong with GT. It maybe a little nationalistic, but it is way better than your gutter media, and you know that.

 

[Nilgiri]

"A Bhutanese soldier who started 2nd Sino-India War", humm, very nice story. Who told you this story by the way? Wu Jing may want to have a screen writer for his "Wolf Warrior III".


We don't know if it was a lie or not. Judging from the credibility of GT and your media, I would choose to believe GT. Remember your government and media had been lied to you about 1962, the backstabbing story, for almost 50 years? Or the story of "ZTZ-96B wheel fell off during Tank Biathlon" that aroused a Canaveral in India a few days ago?

By the way, according to the sentiment of regular Bhutanese, the story may just be true. See for yourself how Bhutanese view about India:

http://wangchasangey.blogspot.com/2017/08/an-authoritarian-india-tends-to-be.html?m=1



NATO countries don't blockade LP or Gas or Goods to each other, like what India did to Bhutan in 2013 and to Nepal in 2015. And Nato countries certainly don't annex each other, like you did to Kingdom of Sikkim in 1975. If you try to convince others that India and Bhutan are equal partners, please save it. It is embarrassing if you actually believe it yourself.



GT is THE most hated newspaper in India, and we understand. If Indians find GT to their liking, something must be very wrong with GT. It maybe a little nationalistic, but it is way better than your gutter media, and you know that.

I just posted Bhutan's own govt website contradicting Global Times....and you call them credible.

About as credible as the chinese trolls crying here that tianenmen square was a western conspiracy.

Honestly Global Times is absolutely atrocious....yes a lot worse than anything Indian media is (as bad as it is)....fundamental reason being Indian media is not a govt mouthpiece (only foreign office can handle that...Indian govt owns and directs nobody in the Media, after all look at all the hit pieces and critiques against large even entire portions of Indian govt).

But why engage in this word debate...simply watch what transpires on the ground and compare it to the reality.

2 months already elapsed, Global times predictions coming to pass = zilch. Indian media did much better in comparison....and they aren't tied at the hip to Indian govt to begin with. Any neutral observer would agree. Simply need to watch rest of the year and the coming years after....easy win.

As far as NATO goes, anyone could see how a bunch of NATO countries dealt with NATO member Turkey during their attempted coup and during alleged episodes of ISIS support. Had zero bearing on NATO's military side....just like the integration between India-Nepal-Bhutan militaries.

Plus you have to make the case the Indian govt ordered and enforced any such "blockade", especially on the official level that you so hold as golden standard. Let's not be a hypocrite, show me the official communique and press release that Indian govt enforced any goods or LPG or whatever you claim "blockade" on Nepal and Bhutan....or it only supposed to matter when such countries call for military assistance?

By the way, according to the sentiment of regular Bhutanese, the story may just be true. See for yourself how Bhutanese view about India:

LOL, go actually visit Bhutan and Nepal first for yourself. You will be quite surprised to see just what Bhutanese and Nepalese call Chinese govt and military (sometimes extends to people too) in general....stemming from your treatment of their ideological brothers the Tibetans. Sure there will be India critics, heck there are tons of India critics within India....speaking 24/7 in the very media you lambast. But no one is really in denial about what China is, especially the reason behind why Chinese population cannot seriously criticize its own govt.