PK 18 Battlefield Rifle , SMG PK 21 (AK-103) and PK-10 are way forward

[Gryphon]

Variant which will serve armed forces will come with proper muzzle and furniture by end of next year

Why two different variants?

Has AK-103 been finalized as Type 56 replacement? Production to start at POF next year?

 

[Sulman Badshah]

Why two different variants?

Has AK-103 been finalized as Type 56 replacement? Production to start at POF next year?

The way i heard is that There are some Machinery upgrades going on .. Moreover 2 variants were needed (one will be short barrel and the other one will standard)

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Exactly POF was getting new CNC and tooling equipment from eastern europe

The way i heard is that There are some Machinery upgrades going on .. Moreover 2 variants were needed (one will be short barrel and the other one will standard)

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Ye nice but don't expect much out of it for now at least.

POF: We got some nice new rifles rolling out, will you approve it's mass production?
The Army:
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this went too real way too quick

@Sulman Badshah You were at the event, right?

 

[Sulman Badshah]

this went too real way too quick

@Sulman Badshah You were at the event, right?

I was out of town .. so my brother attended the even and took pictures

 

[Gryphon]

@Path-Finder

http://soldiersystems.net/2018/07/16/general-staff-requirement-gsr-new-assault-rifle/

Remember this article? The author details the poor performance of PWS MK-1, an AR-based rifle with piston operating system, in the Pakistan Army trials.

This is what he wrote at the end:

The AR10-type weapon is inherently accurate especially when compared to other service rifles, but the design leaves it very susceptible to dirt and debris. Adding a piston system to the AR15/10/M4/M16 does not improve the reliability of the system in harsh environments due to design limitations. Considering these trials, it is interesting to ponder weapon testing requirements of the United States and the small arms currently being used and purchased by the Services. The selection approach of the United States may need to be rethought. If you operate in harsh conditions where maintenance and cleaning may not be available, and you absolutely must have a rifle that fires every time you pull the trigger, then the Russian Kalashnikov AK is the answer. Otherwise, keep your weapon clean and don’t let it get dirty.


So, what is the fuss regarding PK-18 using DI all about?

 

[The Eagle]

Improve what bro?
POF isnt an amateur company, if they developed a rifle they sure can add a few bells and whistles .

 

[Sine Nomine]

So, what is the fuss regarding PK-18 using DI all about

Same fuss,D.I system have tendency of having rapid carbon builtup and heating up issue during fire.On top of that type of ammo effects them,since gas is directly vented into system.
If you look around,you won't see any large scale deployment of D.I guns in .308 Win.
We have a harsh environment, a simple clean sheet long stroke gas piston design would have suited us very well.

 

[Zarvan]

Variant which will serve armed forces will come with proper muzzle and furniture by end of next year

So basically during IDEAS next year we can expect the big announcement

 

[Path-Finder]

@Path-Finder

http://soldiersystems.net/2018/07/16/general-staff-requirement-gsr-new-assault-rifle/

Remember this article? The author details the poor performance of PWS MK-1, an AR-based rifle with piston operating system, in the Pakistan Army trials.

This is what he wrote at the end:

The AR10-type weapon is inherently accurate especially when compared to other service rifles, but the design leaves it very susceptible to dirt and debris. Adding a piston system to the AR15/10/M4/M16 does not improve the reliability of the system in harsh environments due to design limitations. Considering these trials, it is interesting to ponder weapon testing requirements of the United States and the small arms currently being used and purchased by the Services. The selection approach of the United States may need to be rethought. If you operate in harsh conditions where maintenance and cleaning may not be available, and you absolutely must have a rifle that fires every time you pull the trigger, then the Russian Kalashnikov AK is the answer. Otherwise, keep your weapon clean and don’t let it get dirty.


So, what is the fuss regarding PK-18 using DI all about?

The trial was done over a year and no stone was left unturned, clearly all the vendors had to see their product endure extreme levels of punishment. I remember this article and clearly what the author says is what we are seeing! AR platform for 7.62x51 means accurate targeting as its 20 round per magazine and for distance. But for for heavier use on a daily basis you cannot go wrong with a workhorse like AK.

As for the people complaining well can't please everyone.

 

[Black Bird]

These rifles are clones not a original one in war u need reliable battle hardened rifls

Then why we are wasting our money and time to make them. I think there is no difference between karkhanu market and POF as both are making clones. We need a big No of Rifles for our forces so should make something better.

 

[Sine Nomine]

PK-18 pretty much works same.

 

[Sunny4pak]

Pakistan Armed Forces Guns Replacement?

 

[ziaulislam]

Then why we are wasting our money and time to make them. I think there is no difference between karkhanu market and POF as both are making clones. We need a big No of Rifles for our forces so should make something better.

kharkhanu people are very skilled, new innovative guns alot of times started up by amateur builders...POF job is to effectively mass produce a cheap gun..it doesnt matter where it comes from, whtehr its copy or not as long as its top class weapon and built cheaper

 

[Zarvan]

It is GAS Operated and Rotating bolt

G3 is Roller Delayed Blowback

(some similarity in design are there) but it is not same rifle

Moreover Rifle weight is 3.8 kg which is well below than EU rifle

Also it seem the magazine in pictures are different