Philando Castile: Footage of fatal police shooting in US released

[pakdefender]

%99 of police stops ended up with nothing more than issued citations or warnings. And please, I have been to your country when I was active duty. We were told many negative things about your police forces, so before you try to ascribe the worst of humanity to American police, look at your own.

Ok , I'm going to be generous here and say that perhaps everyday all over the US , all states combined , about 100 police stoppages happen. In a year that's about 36500 stoppage , if 1% result in police resorting to shooting that's 365 fatalities , I suppose nothing to see here ? Over 10 years , that's about 3650 people killed

And you are right we have to look at ourselves , but maybe you should apply that yourself also instead of always evangelizing us, by doing so the world just might become a better place

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Ok , I'm going to be generous here and say that perhaps everyday all over the US , all states combined , about 100 police stoppages happen. In a year that's about 36500 stoppage , if 1% result in police resorting to shooting that's 365 fatalities , I suppose nothing to see here ? Over 10 years , that's about 3650 people killed

And you are right we have to look at ourselves , but maybe you should apply that yourself also instead of always evangelizing us, by doing so the world just might become a better place

This site claims the number of traffic stops is 20 Million/year [55,000/day] https://www.fastcodesign.com/901306...-u-s-traffic-stops-revealed-about-racial-bias

Yes, of that 20 Million a year a few go wrong. People on here thinking the cops are too dangerous just have no sense of the actual numbers. if say 10 traffic stops end up making the sensational headlines a year that means 19,999,990 were not worth mentioning. You really have to act pretty stupid to get yourself killed by the police in a traffic stop. There's about 10 a year who manage to pull that off.

To put this in perspective there are 253 million cars on US roads. That's over a million kilometers if you parked them end to end...and the distance to the moon is only about 380,000 km away. You have an 8% chance of being pulled over..and a slim chance of being shot by the police unless you are looking for a Darwin Award.

 

[Vergennes]

Your training teaches you to remain calm at all times. Something strange about this cops reaction. Shows he is very mentally and emotionally unstable. Emotions seem to me to be excitement concealed in a obnoxious guilt demonstration.




The problem with these police (not all) is they think they have dominance over citizens. When they run into a citizen that has a gun just like them they FREAK out. Theyre mentally used to total dominant control and cant respond correctly. No matter what they may say or how they normally act, they think we are all less than them. This guy clearly sounded like he knew he messed up as well. This guy deserves jail.



Why become a cop then ??? Once again recruiting unfit trigger happy idiots on the force, he should of be a plumber or an electrician , if he gets scared that easy and come up with the excuse that he was scared for his life and use lethal force then WHY IN HELL BECOME A COP , is that the new excuse? i was scared of him so i shot him. he has not seen his license yet , he never pulled the gun , so now we know cops will hire n scaredy-cats and we all gonna get shot because they are scared??? WHY IN HELL BECOME A COP THEN ! , now that i am thinking he can't be a electrician neither , he probably will get scared of being electrocuted. he should of be a librarian they pay well too. o no wait! book shelf's are very heavy....... he probably would be scared too.




The fact is, we have reached the point where a cop could eat a live baby on the steps of city hall, and the same people will defend his actions. Americans already live in a dictatorship by the rich, where cops kill poor workers with impunity. Either you're for the existing order and your perceptions will be shaped by that. Or you're not, and you might see things objectively, including the value of justice, and human life. Most people here, are simply corrupted.

You blame the US police officers to be nervous,yet they have reasons to do so. Like the fact that most citizens (and criminals BTW) are armed. Not to add that people don't even hesitate to shoot or even kill them. Last year,63 of them were killed by gunfire. Since the start of this year,23 have been killed by gunfire. Just sayin'..

 

[Dai Toruko]

You blame the US police officers to be nervous,yet they have reasons to do so. Like the fact that most citizens (and criminals BTW) are armed. Not to add that people don't even hesitate to shoot or even kill them. Last year,63 of them were killed by gunfire. Since the start of this year,23 have been killed by gunfire. Just sayin'.. @Hamartia Antidote @gambit

These police departments are starting to advertise themselves as a sovereign gang organization; all members has a get-out-of-jail card. You can do whatever you want as long has we don't have conclusive evidence that you were in the wrong and be welling to say you felt your life was in danger. At least in the wild-west day people could have their own guns on them without being killed for it! starting to think that sort of lifestyle might be better before USA head toward a Nazi-Germany government.

 

[jhungary]

Your training teaches you to remain calm at all times. Something strange about this cops reaction. Shows he is very mentally and emotionally unstable. Emotions seem to me to be excitement concealed in a obnoxious guilt demonstration.

How is Yanez mentally and emotionally unstable?

The piece of known evidence suggested that the routine traffic stop proceed with reasonable effect, Yanez does not appear to be disturbed and behave irresponsibly, he is courteous and calm, up until the incident escalated a few moment after Philando said he have a weapon in the car. Which is about 4 seconds before shooting.

In a traffic stop, everyone are assumed armed, and in this case, the assumption is confirmed. And once it confirmed Philando is armed, you see the tone of Yanez actually did not change (listen to he said "ok, ok don't reach for it then) That indicate the officer did not act "excitedly" to the fact that Philando have a firearm on board.
Yanez was excited(or go active is a better word) on what happen afterward, which is Philando refused to comply with his order not to reach for it.

So, where is this emotionally mentally unstable argument come from?

The problem with these police (not all) is they think they have dominance over citizens. When they run into a citizen that has a gun just like them they FREAK out. Theyre mentally used to total dominant control and cant respond correctly. No matter what they may say or how they normally act, they think we are all less than them. This guy clearly sounded like he knew he messed up as well. This guy deserves jail.

This I agree, but then again, were this a bad shoot?

He felt bad about the shoot, yes, but that does not mean the situation is wrong, the circumstance may present something but in the end, you and I both weren't him, and we can talk about it here for 1 thousand year and we will not get what he think at that moment.

this shoot is a 50-50 shoot or in the force, it was called "judgment call" the problem is, there are no evidence to call this a bad shoot, there are no clear evidence to call it a good shoot either. What you think he deserve is one thing, what he actually deserve is another. And training can only provide a certain framework as to how and what to do in a situation, but not all situation is covered.

My friend's father is a Sheriff in a Kansas Town, I used to be a police tactical trainer for his department, I can tell you that, training is only one part of the job, you would still encounter reality that training was not covered. I cannot say this is a bad shoot either, because he (Yanez) have his reason to shoot Philando for not complying to his instruction, and apparently, the jury agree.

Why become a cop then ??? Once again recruiting unfit trigger happy idiots on the force, he should of be a plumber or an electrician , if he gets scared that easy and come up with the excuse that he was scared for his life and use lethal force then WHY IN HELL BECOME A COP , is that the new excuse? i was scared of him so i shot him. he has not seen his license yet , he never pulled the gun , so now we know cops will hire n scaredy-cats and we all gonna get shot because they are scared??? WHY IN HELL BECOME A COP THEN ! , now that i am thinking he can't be a electrician neither , he probably will get scared of being electrocuted. he should of be a librarian they pay well too. o no wait! book shelf's are very heavy....... he probably would be scared too.

First of all, Yanez had seen Philando License (You can clearly see him handing back his license to Philando and that is when Philando said he have a firearm in the car), and you don't know if Yanez had seen the weapon. It's not about scare, it's about judgement. I issued an instruction, and if you do not comply, I will use xxx force to deal with it. Your judgement is to determine what xxx is.

We can play jury and try to decide is the judgement is appropriate. From a third person stand point, we never did see what happened inside the car during the whole thing unfolded. All we had is the dash cam recording of the traffic stop and what happened afterward. The thing is, there are no evidence support Yanez action is warranted, but at the same time, and more importantly, there are no evidence support Yanez acted Recklessly too.

Scare is an innate response, EVERYONE SCARED. Having been in battlefield I can tell you that you scare when people are shooting at you, and you scared when people are not shooting at you. You cannot simply said he got scare easy blah, blah and should not be a cop. Every cop scare when they are on the job, this came from the unknown on the future. Problem here is not scare easy or not, but is the action warranted.

He could have been the best cop of all US or the worse cop of all US, that does not change the argument a bit, the argument they argue in court is whether this action is reckless, if it is, then there are ground for 2nd Degree Manslaughter, if not, then it won't be.

The fact is, we have reached the point where a cop could eat a live baby on the steps of city hall, and the same people will defend his actions. Americans already live in a dictatorship by the rich, where cops kill poor workers with impunity. Either you're for the existing order and your perceptions will be shaped by that. Or you're not, and you might see things objectively, including the value of justice, and human life. Most people here, are simply corrupted.

That's your opinion.

I cannot say whether your opinion is valid or what you think is incorrect, you think what you think and I think what I think, All I can say is this incident is not corrupted. The verdict is right, the prosecution did not give out enough evidence to support the 2nd Degree Manslaughter charge, it won't be a guilty verdict probably in anywhere in the world where policing is advance and rule of law is observed.

You apparently have a bias toward the US Government and US Police officer. So what you said is not neutral.

 

[gambit]

These police departments are starting to advertise themselves as a sovereign gang organization; all members has a get-out-of-jail card. You can do whatever you want as long has we don't have conclusive evidence that you were in the wrong and be welling to say you felt your life was in danger. At least in the wild-west day people could have their own guns on them without being killed for it! starting to think that sort of lifestyle might be better before USA head toward a Nazi-Germany government.

We have a looooonng way to match your country's police, buddy...

http://www.businessinsider.com/examples-of-police-brutality-in-turkey-2013-6
https://www.hrw.org/news/2013/06/18/turkey-weekend-police-abuse

 

[Oldman1]

Your training teaches you to remain calm at all times. Something strange about this cops reaction. Shows he is very mentally and emotionally unstable. Emotions seem to me to be excitement concealed in a obnoxious guilt demonstration.




The problem with these police (not all) is they think they have dominance over citizens. When they run into a citizen that has a gun just like them they FREAK out. Theyre mentally used to total dominant control and cant respond correctly. No matter what they may say or how they normally act, they think we are all less than them. This guy clearly sounded like he knew he messed up as well. This guy deserves jail.



Why become a cop then ??? Once again recruiting unfit trigger happy idiots on the force, he should of be a plumber or an electrician , if he gets scared that easy and come up with the excuse that he was scared for his life and use lethal force then WHY IN HELL BECOME A COP , is that the new excuse? i was scared of him so i shot him. he has not seen his license yet , he never pulled the gun , so now we know cops will hire n scaredy-cats and we all gonna get shot because they are scared??? WHY IN HELL BECOME A COP THEN ! , now that i am thinking he can't be a electrician neither , he probably will get scared of being electrocuted. he should of be a librarian they pay well too. o no wait! book shelf's are very heavy....... he probably would be scared too.




The fact is, we have reached the point where a cop could eat a live baby on the steps of city hall, and the same people will defend his actions. Americans already live in a dictatorship by the rich, where cops kill poor workers with impunity. Either you're for the existing order and your perceptions will be shaped by that. Or you're not, and you might see things objectively, including the value of justice, and human life. Most people here, are simply corrupted.

One big mistake is telling the police officer that you have a weapon on you and reaching into your pocket for your concealed license permit. The police officer does not know where you have your gun or your permit. And you have to admit people tend to be rude to police officers with no respect for authority I guarantee you that. In schools you will see that alot in respect for adults especially teachers and administrators. One of my friend who is an officer at a school just recently started a program teaching kids on how to follow rules and procedures when involving an officer. Long time ago one of my friends was dumb enough to get out of the car and reach for his license to give to the officer in the name of respect when in reality a move like that could get him killed. Not to say there are times police officers are excessive in force and really murdered innocent people or killed a suspect when he or she was not a threat.

 

[gambit]

Ok , I'm going to be generous here and say that perhaps everyday all over the US , all states combined , about 100 police stoppages happen. In a year that's about 36500 stoppage , if 1% result in police resorting to shooting that's 365 fatalities , I suppose nothing to see here ? Over 10 years , that's about 3650 people killed

Google is your friend. Try it...

And you are right we have to look at ourselves , but maybe you should apply that yourself also instead of always evangelizing us, by doing so the world just might become a better place

Evangelizing what ? That your country should have something like our Constitution ? Do Americans on this forum tells Pakistanis what to do with your guns ? I understand the gun issue in Pakistan is an understatement 'permissive', is that correct ?

 

[Super Falcon]

I think officer was way too much aggressive officer asked him for licence to philando and he put his hands in pocket to take out his license officer thought he might be taking is gun out he shoot a full clip emwhich clearly shows intent of officer to shoot to kill

 

[Gomig-21]

The US is a 'gun country', for lack of better words, so deal with it. Firearms is entrenched in the US Constitution, so to ban guns, that document must be changed. Good luck with that. So do not bother to bring up the subject of banning guns in America. Kinda like banning paella in Spain or the baguette in France. For the Muslims reading this, it is like forcing you to eat pork. Think you like that ?

Wait, what?!?! You're equating changing a part of the 2nd amendment in the bill of rights to forcing a Muslim to eat pork? I think you went off the hook on this one, bro. lol Hardly a fitting analogy, but I get the point.

Look what it took Abraham Lincoln to add the 13th amendment to abolish slavery. It was a huge deal accompanied by 650,000 dead Americans.

There is one item they certainly should change in the Constitution, and that is the worst grammatical error in the history of historical documents. The first line of that hallowed document....

We the people, in order to form a MORE PERFECT union....etc. Wuuuuuuuut? When something is "perfect" how can you make it "more" perfect?

 

[Dai Toruko]

How is Yanez mentally and emotionally unstable?

The piece of known evidence suggested that the routine traffic stop proceed with reasonable effect, Yanez does not appear to be disturbed and behave irresponsibly, he is courteous and calm, up until the incident escalated a few moment after Philando said he have a weapon in the car. Which is about 4 seconds before shooting.

In a traffic stop, everyone are assumed armed, and in this case, the assumption is confirmed. And once it confirmed Philando is armed, you see the tone of Yanez actually did not change (listen to he said "ok, ok don't reach for it then) That indicate the officer did not act "excitedly" to the fact that Philando have a firearm on board.
Yanez was excited(or go active is a better word) on what happen afterward, which is Philando refused to comply with his order not to reach for it.

So, where is this emotionally mentally unstable argument come from?

This video shows there are police officers that shouldn't be police officers. Now this guy can live with the fact that he killed someone because, in his words, "it was getting hanky" and "he had his grip wider than a wallet" and "I didn't know where the gun was." He told the guy not to "reach for it." He should have told him to put his hands up or on the steering wheel until he or his partner cleared the vehicle of any firearms. He saw a young woman in the passengers seat and a child in the rear seat but he fired seven shots into the car anyway. After seeing videos like this one I completely understand the tension and protests across the U.S. It's not a racial issue, it's an issue of humanity and right vs. wrong. Police need training programs similar to that provided in the military special forces. Those who can't handle intense situations (or "hanky" ones) shouldn't be allowed to wear a badge and carry a gun. Not guilty on all charges?

This I agree, but then again, were this a bad shoot?

He felt bad about the shoot, yes, but that does not mean the situation is wrong, the circumstance may present something but in the end, you and I both weren't him, and we can talk about it here for 1 thousand year and we will not get what he think at that moment.

this shoot is a 50-50 shoot or in the force, it was called "judgment call" the problem is, there are no evidence to call this a bad shoot, there are no clear evidence to call it a good shoot either. What you think he deserve is one thing, what he actually deserve is another. And training can only provide a certain framework as to how and what to do in a situation, but not all situation is covered.

My friend's father is a Sheriff in a Kansas Town, I used to be a police tactical trainer for his department, I can tell you that, training is only one part of the job, you would still encounter reality that training was not covered. I cannot say this is a bad shoot either, because he (Yanez) have his reason to shoot Philando for not complying to his instruction, and apparently, the jury agree.

I want to know why it took so long for them to start performing CPR??? this guy was shot multiple times and in need of medical assistance immediately, doesn't matter if he was a "criminal" or "disobeying the law". a guy shot multiple times is not able to retaliate anyways?? i'm so confused as to why this guy wasn't helped earlier. he could've been saved but the cop held him at gun point for minutes after being shot without helping him.

First of all, Yanez had seen Philando License (You can clearly see him handing back his license to Philando and that is when Philando said he have a firearm in the car), and you don't know if Yanez had seen the weapon. It's not about scare, it's about judgement. I issued an instruction, and if you do not comply, I will use xxx force to deal with it. Your judgement is to determine what xxx is.

We can play jury and try to decide is the judgement is appropriate. From a third person stand point, we never did see what happened inside the car during the whole thing unfolded. All we had is the dash cam recording of the traffic stop and what happened afterward. The thing is, there are no evidence support Yanez action is warranted, but at the same time, and more importantly, there are no evidence support Yanez acted Recklessly too.

Scare is an innate response, EVERYONE SCARED. Having been in battlefield I can tell you that you scare when people are shooting at you, and you scared when people are not shooting at you. You cannot simply said he got scare easy blah, blah and should not be a cop. Every cop scare when they are on the job, this came from the unknown on the future. Problem here is not scare easy or not, but is the action warranted.

He could have been the best cop of all US or the worse cop of all US, that does not change the argument a bit, the argument they argue in court is whether this action is reckless, if it is, then there are ground for 2nd Degree Manslaughter, if not, then it won't be.

The officer has absolutely no business to legally carry a fire arm. The man can barely contain control of himself and should have never been given the power to carry an open fire arm or enforce law. Events like this are going to continue to happen until the police training system is reengineered and new cadets are better filtered through extensive behavioral interviews and exercises.

You can tell there's something wrong with this police officer he keeps screaming and swearing and won't even listen to his fellow police officers. this is bullshit! Black people in this county can't sneeze without getting shot. you run you get shot, you put your hands up you're shot, you don't have a gun you're shot. he did not need to shoot him 7 times.

I am really shocked most people are justifying this shooting, have empathy, imagine if that was someone you knew who had been a victim, your mind uses a defense mechanism of blocking out the rational by blaming the victim.

That's your opinion.

I cannot say whether your opinion is valid or what you think is incorrect, you think what you think and I think what I think, All I can say is this incident is not corrupted. The verdict is right, the prosecution did not give out enough evidence to support the 2nd Degree Manslaughter charge, it won't be a guilty verdict probably in anywhere in the world where policing is advance and rule of law is observed.

You apparently have a bias toward the US Government and US Police officer. So what you said is not neutral.

This footage broke my heart. I believe that Officer Yanez deep down knows that he made false assumptions about Philando Castile during this traffic stop. We're ALL watching Yanez murder an innocent Man, Father, Son, Friend and Boyfriend. WOW! It's interesting that Yanez feared for his life even though his conversation with Philando was calm, cooperative and Philando followed orders from Yanez. Officers and the Police Department need to start taking responsibility for their actions and train new Officers properly. Yanez was nervous, shaking and lacked self-control in this incident. This is a serious concern. NOT AGAIN! I pray for Philando's Family. Peace and love to Philando's Girlfriend and daughter for the pain caused by Yanez to their Family. R.I.P. PHILANDO

 

[Gomig-21]

I want to know why it took so long for them to start performing CPR??? this guy was shot multiple times and in need of medical assistance immediately, doesn't matter if he was a "criminal" or "disobeying the law". a guy shot multiple times is not able to retaliate anyways?? i'm so confused as to why this guy wasn't helped earlier. he could've been saved but the cop held him at gun point for minutes after being shot without helping him.

Because cops are not supposed to touch any victim, by their rules, until the medic/ambulance arrives. There are also crime scene stipulations to consider, but mostly that the police is not supposed to render medical care and have to leave it to the EMT's. I know that stinks, but that's they way it always is. You'll never, or hardly ever see a police shooting victim assisted medically by any police officers. They always have to wait for the ambulance. The reason is obvious, of course.

This one made just as big a splash, maybe even bigger than the Castile shooting. White, female cop and unnarmed black motorist who was parked in the middle of the road and acting strange and also reached into his pockets. She seemed a bit zealous to blast him, though, and perhaps this situation warranted just the tazer and not her Glock as well. But that's how they're trained, not even to shoot in the legs or try to disable, but to shoot in the upper torso. SOP. She got acquitted late last year, I believe. Betty Shelby.

 

[jhungary]

This video shows there are police officers that shouldn't be police officers. Now this guy can live with the fact that he killed someone because, in his words, "it was getting hanky" and "he had his grip wider than a wallet" and "I didn't know where the gun was." He told the guy not to "reach for it." He should have told him to put his hands up or on the steering wheel until he or his partner cleared the vehicle of any firearms. He saw a young woman in the passengers seat and a child in the rear seat but he fired seven shots into the car anyway. After seeing videos like this one I completely understand the tension and protests across the U.S. It's not a racial issue, it's an issue of humanity and right vs. wrong. Police need training programs similar to that provided in the military special forces. Those who can't handle intense situations (or "hanky" ones) shouldn't be allowed to wear a badge and carry a gun. Not guilty on all charges?

Again, what he told him is not the matter here, as the instruction is clear, he should not reach for the gun, that's what trigger the event. What he said is what he said, there are no different as to whether or not Yanez ask him to keep his hand away or keep his hand off his gun. What matter is he did not comply.

Again, it does not matter if he had the whole family in the back, it's immaterial.

And no, Police is not Military, Military Special Force include a shoot to kill policy. And you are talking about frontline police officer not even police SWAT.

It's about law, it's not about right and wrong (Yes, I notice the irony) and not about Humanity, For Police officer to carry on with their duty, they would have to be able put themselves into a position above all else, and in this case, it's not about whether or not Yanez is in the running of America's Next top Cop, it's about what he did is within the guideline of the law, and the jury had decided that he has.

I want to know why it took so long for them to start performing CPR??? this guy was shot multiple times and in need of medical assistance immediately, doesn't matter if he was a "criminal" or "disobeying the law". a guy shot multiple times is not able to retaliate anyways?? i'm so confused as to why this guy wasn't helped earlier. he could've been saved but the cop held him at gun point for minutes after being shot without helping him.

CPR is for people that's heart has stopped beating, and the circulation has stopped, that's why you do CPR on a person who stop breathing. Philando is both conscious and breathing for the duration, you cannot perform CPR on him when he is breathing and have an open wound, otherwise the chest depression will pump blood out away from his heart and out of his body faster, in other word, performing CPR when he is still breathing will kill him faster.

There are not much a police officer can do to render first aid in this situation, police officer is not EMT, they went thru basic First Aid and CPR session, both of which is not suitable in a trauma injury.

The officer has absolutely no business to legally carry a fire arm. The man can barely contain control of himself and should have never been given the power to carry an open fire arm or enforce law. Events like this are going to continue to happen until the police training system is reengineered and new cadets are better filtered through extensive behavioral interviews and exercises.

You can tell there's something wrong with this police officer he keeps screaming and swearing and won't even listen to his fellow police officers. this is bullshit! Black people in this county can't sneeze without getting shot. you run you get shot, you put your hands up you're shot, you don't have a gun you're shot. he did not need to shoot him 7 times.

Again, that's your opinion.

I am not here to talk about how Black folks (Yanez is half black too by the way) being discriminate against in the US, you can have your opinion, of course, I neither agree nor disagree with your opinion.

I am here to talk about the legal aspect of this case, and why Yanez was not guilty on the charge, and for a case presented like this, the not guilty result is expected.

You can say he should have done this or should have done that, I can also do that, but I know better not to say anything because I wasn't there. It's easy to say "ah, he should have do this and he should not have done this" when you are sitting behind a computer and talk about this without pressure. I had my share of "You or Him" situation and my share of Frontline combat experience, I know what it's like to be under pressure. That's why I don't say anything about Yanez.

He did what he had to do, the important thing is that what he does is legal according to law. And that is the most important bits. Other things all came second.

Is he a bad cop? Well, first you need to define what is a bad cop. Whether or not he should not have a gun or badge is not the talking point here, as I said, he could have been a super cop, that does not mean a super cop would not be in this situation Not all decision made by a good cops are always good.

Or he could have been the worse cop the world ever has, but again, not all decision made by a bad cop is always bad, you know?

I am really shocked most people are justifying this shooting, have empathy, imagine if that was someone you knew who had been a victim, your mind uses a defense mechanism of blocking out the rational by blaming the victim.

Yanez was arrested, Tried and Acquitted. What more do you want the government to do?

In a court of law, it's not about empathy, it's about evidence. If you say that, then I can easily say the prosecutor have no empathy toward the victim too because otherwise he would have put up a better case.

A man died, and that can never be brought back, whether or not the man is a criminal or a family man, the problem is always whether or not justice is served. On the other hand, accused also have their own right not to be perjured and not to be discriminated against, because you are innocent before proven guilty, so in your own word, you need to have empathy toward the victim, but at the same time, you also need to put the same amount of empathy toward the accused, until he have been proven guilty, otherwise why you need a court for, why not just use mob justice?

This footage broke my heart. I believe that Officer Yanez deep down knows that he made false assumptions about Philando Castile during this traffic stop. We're ALL watching Yanez murder an innocent Man, Father, Son, Friend and Boyfriend. WOW! It's interesting that Yanez feared for his life even though his conversation with Philando was calm, cooperative and Philando followed orders from Yanez. Officers and the Police Department need to start taking responsibility for their actions and train new Officers properly. Yanez was nervous, shaking and lacked self-control in this incident. This is a serious concern. NOT AGAIN! I pray for Philando's Family. Peace and love to Philando's Girlfriend and daughter for the pain caused by Yanez to their Family. R.I.P. PHILANDO

Again, that's what you think, it does not represent the case.

All you said is circumstantial, it's a good thing you are not a lawyer. Because you are going to lose a lot of cases if this is how you argue.

As I said many time, What you think does not matter, what you can proof, on the other hand, does. You can demonize Yanez all you want, but for a procedural point of view. He have a legitimate clause to pull over Philando. He have a legitimate clause to be alarmed, and ultimately, he has a legitimate clause to shoot Philando. You can think otherwise but can you proof it? If a prosecutor cannot proof it beyond reasonable doubt, I doubt you can.

So, you can keep saying US Justice System is a joke, Blah, Blah, Blah or Yell Police Brutality, but in the end, this is what you think, and since you cannot proof it, it does not exist. And as I said before, you are clearly biased for the information you failed to digest, I would have say this is not a surprise you would say this

And in case you have not notice, you have change your charging of Yanez from being "Nervous" to "Cold Blooded calculating killer". Basically you are killing your own talking point here.

 

[gambit]

Wait, what?!?! You're equating changing a part of the 2nd amendment in the bill of rights to forcing a Muslim to eat pork? I think you went off the hook on this one, bro. lol Hardly a fitting analogy, but I get the point.

If you 'get the point', then my analogy is appropriate.

Veneration of the Constitution have often been described by both Right and Left Americans as religious. For The Right, it is a document that is sacrosanct. For The Left, it is a barrier to progress. For The Left, nothing in the Constitution is more offensive than the 2nd Amendment. But try to make a Constitutional Convention to abolish the 2nd Amendment and see what happens.

 

[Dai Toruko]

One big mistake is telling the police officer that you have a weapon on you and reaching into your pocket for your concealed license permit. The police officer does not know where you have your gun or your permit. And you have to admit people tend to be rude to police officers with no respect for authority I guarantee you that. In schools you will see that alot in respect for adults especially teachers and administrators. One of my friend who is an officer at a school just recently started a program teaching kids on how to follow rules and procedures when involving an officer. Long time ago one of my friends was dumb enough to get out of the car and reach for his license to give to the officer in the name of respect when in reality a move like that could get him killed. Not to say there are times police officers are excessive in force and really murdered innocent people or killed a suspect when he or she was not a threat.

Very, very, very, disturbing. And yes, the driver was probably doing the right thing, he told the officer he had a gun, (but I cannot see into the car if he pulled out a gun or not), but that policeman didn't even wait for the man to show the gun, I assume via limited presumption. And if the man driving was a legal gun owner & telling the cop he had a gun, the driver probably was just trying to do what's legal. . .

And obviously, if a cop can shoot & kill you, for being a legal gun owner & this driver was probably pulling his registration out, then there is a big problem with the legal system of this policeman not being convicted of murder or manslaughter, at least. Not that police are bad per se, but some are as crooked as the people they are working for. Not that this cop was pulling them over to kill them, I assume, but this is just one example of many of cops killing those clearly not a threat to their person. And hence why I believe in mandatory body cameras for police on duty. . .

Actually, many cops are probably not rogue, but this is a tragedy that is a fearful potential for being pulled over by a policeman for a tail light being out, (imagine being asked for registration & then getting shot many times?). Actually, if that cop waited to see what the man was pulling out, it was probably just paper for the cops request of registration. I believe I heard the cop say he doesn't even know where the gun is after he shot him point blank, I heard ~7 rounds fired, alas. Actually, it would have been safer for this man to drive with a tail light being out, & why would a cop be required to pull someone over for a tail light being out? Maybe a piece of registered tracked certified mail & maybe a phone call, would suffice. It seems most cops in big cities are looking to bust as many little "infractions" as they can, to fill a quota & look good to their bosses; & this needing to fill quotas is a problem too, cops should only protect & serve the people, to uphold / protect our Right's & Freedoms if we are not hurting stealing or destroying others. I feel bad for both the cop, & especially that shot mans family & friends, both were destroyed for a cops itchy trigger finger, & if the cops can murder people without citizens posing a credible threat, there is much wrong with the legal system. Actually, I would say that we are many times, in the USA, to be killed by cops / law enforcement, compared to the "terrorists" they rant & rave about over the mainstream medias, alas, like maybe 7,000% more likely fatalities by police than "terrorists," or some incredible percents. And this light being out doesn't need to lead to a being pulled over & potential arrest or murder in this case, it was obviously not going to kill anyone, I assume & I believe via probability. And this tail light being out is obviously not the drivers fault, no one I know wants to drive with a busted car. This man might have had this light go out recently, & him not knowing it, it happens with the auld lights, & he might have been too poor to fix it immediately, needing to pay many bills for his family. And, I know this cop made a very bad mistake of unjustifiable manslaughter, but if cops can murder based upon a hunch or gut feeling or being anxious, the police force will feel more enabled to shoot innocent law abiding citizens posing no credible threats. I know cops have dangerous & bad jobs, mostly un-thanked & resented, but needing to arrest or pull someone over for traffic violations posing no imminent threats is very unneeded & drivers should be informed in a less dangerous way, of being served notice in mail &/or telephone calls, to offer a solution to this issue. But if someone is racing, speeding like NASCAR drivers & blowing through red lights & maybe being an imminent danger to pedestrians, that would be justifiable to pull them over to see what's going on. . .

Obviously, I believe cops are needed for much today, but little traffic violations for stuff like this poses no threats to anyone really, the cop did the most damage & not the tail light per se. But cops should be incentivised for not arresting people who are not committing violent crimes or hurting others, they should be paid & rewarded for being like our guards that help, protect & serve the people in need of protection, not filling quota & putting nonviolent people in the legal system, & only those who have committed violent crimes should be arrested & possibly be corrected, but helping people is better than hurting them, like drug addicts should only be sent to drug rehab for being addicted to drugs, etc.. . .

Actually, it's not a crime to be a legal gun owner, & legal gun owners are not the dangerous fellons most all times, but even fellons have rights to protect their self with protection, & if one uses any weapons as a tool to hurt, maime, wound or kill others, they should be sent to courts to be put "in time out," i.e., possibly jail or prison. Actually, I am a firm believer in the Second Amendment, not for the criminals to kill innocents, but for the innocent citizens to protect their self, family & property, etc.. And even people with certain criminal records are not exempt from the Second Amendment, I believe, if they did not use a firearm to kill or shoot at people without justifiable causes, why should someone with a record for maybe something non violent (&/or unrelated to firearms) be illegal to own firearms legally? The Second Amendment clearly says, The Right to bear arms to protect ourselves against rogue governments in militias & this Right / Freedoms to own & bear arms shall Not be Infringed upon. To paraphrase via my lexicon. Not that I believe people with guns should use it to hurt innocents, no, but if one does indeed commit a firearm crime, they will go through courts & maybe jail & prison, possibly decades or longer. And that would be incentives enough to keep most people from committing firearms crimes against innocent citizens. I believe. . .

Actually, no one wants to be hurt by self or others if they are not masochistic & if they are reasonable, but citizens with guns are arguably not the biggest problems for other citizens, the Constitution was more concerned about the government going rogue & infringing upon our Right's that are not from any government per se, but Right's from our Creator to Life, Liberty & pursuit of happiness & property, I believe. Actually, armed communities are arguably safer than those states or territories with infringed Second Amendment Rights, I would assert via conjectures. If criminals knew that a majority of people carried firearms in a community, they would think twice or many times before like breaking & entering, etc.. And the criminals have to deal with court, jail &/or prison for a sentence commensurate with their crimes, so that would keep most criminals from being on the streets committing firearm crimes, no? And criminals usually don't obey the laws anyways, they have bought illegal guns without regards for the laws, so strict gun law's usually don't stop the criminals, it could be argued. . .

But this video is very, very disturbing, I believe if evils go unpunished, more evils will happen, even by the "authorities." And if the government doesn't fear the citizens, government will keep imposing more illegal laws & undermining our inalienable Freedoms & Rights. And I don't believe in violent anarchy against the law enforcement, but peaceful protests & peaceful demonstrations & peaceful petitions, etc., & the citizens are apparently the 4th branch of government. There is no government that the majority of citizens don't subscribe to & don't condone & don't allow, per Creator & our founding fathers per Constitution. And if the facts were known, the cops are more of a threat than all the alleged "terrorists" in the Islamic countries, but do your own research. Should we make police illegal or how they seemingly scare us on many medias about the alleged Islamic "terrorists"? I would say police are needed, but they should not be above the laws & their jobs are only to protect and serve US, not to make the prisons & courts systems rich & packed, not to bust people for not bothering anyone without violence, only violent criminals should have to deal with cops, I believe. I am not anti Law enforcement, but anti corruption & criminal mafia in suits & badges, etc.. We should respect the police, yes, but police should respect us. I agree that sometimes peaceful protests & gatherings & assemblies & petitions are usually the best way to demonstrate our Rights, even if it's online & not in cities, because I believe the "elites" might pay people to start chaos to then use enforcement to use force to shoot tear gas & tazers & all that, alas. . .

But in conclusion, I hope that the police only use force to subdue the violent criminals of imminent threats / has already used violence, this case is very disturbing & it might be safer to avoid police in most cases, if they can shoot you for being legal gun owner & pulling out a registration per police request. Bad, tragic & a shame, I give condolences to those personally affected by this for their consolation, but sometimes justice is only accomplished via justice, & police should not be above the laws. . .