Pervez Hoodbhoy says Jinnah was wrong and 1947 partition was a tragedy

[Dalit]

Indus flows from our Kashmir the land with indian civilization can't complete especially buddhism and shaiva sect.As for the the IVC it's most important port is in present day India which is lothal apart from 100s of sites in Haryana and other states.

Except the above,i agree there is a natural divide between India and Pak,we've nothing in common both racially and culturally,even on cellular level.

Yep, you just keep dreaming about that self made fact.

Of course there isn't. That is why your film industry has started stealing our handsomely looking actors and actresses. For once I can thank the Brits for doing something wise and ripping India apart during the partition.

 

[SipahSalar]

Stop misquoting people. He is referring to the tremendous loss of life during the partition, which noone can deny was a tragedy, and not the partition itself.

 

[asad71]

Its quite obvious liberals like Pervez Hoodbhoy would not have supported the creation of Pakistan in 1947. While its true that religious scholars differed on creating Pakistan, but each of their views were based on what they thought would have been the most beneficial for the Muslims of the subcontinent , for example many pro-Pakistan ulema abandoned supporting Pakistan after 1947 and similarly many anti-Pakistan ulema who had opposed Quaid e Azam previously supported creation of Pakistan after 1947. These changes of opinions were each scholars personal assessment of whether Pakistan was more advantageous or more disadvantageous to Muslims.

However liberals by definition can never support or be loyal to the concept of Pakistan and therefore they can be expected to utter trash like Hoodbhoy. We also must remember that Hoodbhoy has been a staunch supporter of the secularisation of Pakistan, but even he has to admit Pakistan's religious basis and ideology.

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Pak was born in a state of confusion: Hoodbhoy - Times of India

HYDERABAD: Pakistan is a nation that was born in confusion, is still in confusion but will move out of it in the future - hoped eminent nuclear physicist and author Pervez Hoodbhoy who has, for long, been a champion of the "secular state" notion. "Though I know that it is not welcome in my country and people who deviate from the notion that it is an Islamic state, are looked upon disapprovingly, I strongly feel that's what we need to head towards," Hoodbhoy reiterated.

He was speaking at a session on 'Reimagining Pakistan', organised as part of the ongoing Hyderabad Literary Festival. The Pakistani scholar was joined by Venkat Dhulipala, a US-based professor, historian and writer, on the dais.

The conversation about a secular Pakistan, took both the authors back in history - to the time of partition and Jinnah's fight for a separate "Muslim" nation. While Hoodbhoy spoke of Muhammad Ali Jinnah as a "confused" man whose idea of separating a Hindu nation from a Muslim one fell flat when "east Pakistan broke away in 1971" to form Bangladesh, Dhulipala, quoting from popular theories, painted the founder of Pakistan as a "secular person". "It has been a broadly accepted axiomatic truth that Jinnah wanted it (Pakistan) to be a European style nation state based on secular democracy. And if only he had stuck around longer, he would have been able to nurture that dream. Pakistan would have then emerged as a mirror image of India," the author of 'Creating a New Medina' stated.

Hoodbhoy politely disagreed. Elaborating on his views of Jinnah, the author said how "he didn't have a clue" about what he said or wanted. "On the one hand he spoke of all citizens - irrespective of religion - being equals and on the other he wanted Pakistan to be an Islamic State. Sadly, neither he nor anybody till date knows what an Islamic State is," the 66-year-old scholar said, pointing out to his co-panelist how his country, at one point, was indeed a mirror image of India.

"When I grew up in Karachi (he was born three years after partition) our neighbourhood comprised Parsis, Christians and Hindus. We all shared perfect goodwill - as was true of many other neighbourhoods. There were wine stores all over the city. It was actually just like Bombay (Mumbai)," Hoodbhoy reminisced, ruing how his country then "was very different from the country that it has become today".

Harping on the 1947 incident being an "unspeakable tragedy" that "separated people who at one time could live together in peace", the Pakistani writer sincerely prayed that Pakistan, one day, grows into a country where "every citizen has exactly the same right and privileges as of any other, irrespective of their religion, language, class or race".

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On the one hand he spoke of all citizens - irrespective of religion - being equals and on the other he wanted Pakistan to be an Islamic State. Sadly, neither he nor anybody till date knows what an Islamic State is

1.In an Islamic State the minorities are not necessarily discriminated against. Yes, the ruling race or the political majority do get priorities. That's how life is. Look at India, UK, USA and almost any state.
2. The British had "transferred power" to the dominions of Pakistan and India. At that juncture Jinnah himself had not declared an Islamic State. But the base he had created through the Two Nation Theory could not have led to anything else.
3. Hoodabhoy errs referring to the separation of BD. The Two Nation Theory remains intact in BD. Otherwise there would be no reason for us to join India. (Never mind what the current Indian stooges are saying / doing in BD)

 

[prashantazazel]

partition was great for us. It allowed us to separate religion from the state(largely), which wouldn't have been possible with a higher percentage of religious folks.

We can safely criticize the conservatives here, without fear of death- barring a couple of incidents.

this will potentially speed up our social progress exponentially.

 

[farhan_9909]

Indus flows from our Kashmir the land with indian civilization can't complete especially buddhism and shaiva sect.As for the the IVC it's most important port is in present day India which is lothal apart from 100s of sites in Haryana and other states.

Except the above,i agree there is a natural divide between India and Pak,we've nothing in common both racially and culturally,even on cellular level.

Remember that anything that fall under IVC map by default belong to us,and yes this include gujrat state of india or the port you have mentioned.

Historically the People of IVC has imposed its culture/religion on the people india such as rig veda was composed by the ancestors of Pakistanis and is being imposed upon you guys.

So no matter even if IVC fall 100% under india,no indians will have the right to claim because to claim something of ivc standard is not suitable for any indian to make

 

[Spring Onion]

Pakistan was not a brainchild of Jinnah rather he wanted to have a saperate province and equal job opportunities for Muslims along with Hindus as Muslims were quite backward due to the traditional type of education from Madrasas but Hindus picked up the change quickly and excelled. It was the Mullahs and other Islamist who advised him to ask for a separate country to govern people as per Islamic rule... This sowed seed of Muslim Nation in Jinnah which till the end strived to make it a Secular Muslim state with everyone equal rights... but soon after Pakistan was was born... and later leaders took it forward as a different notion.. Second Amendment in Pakistan Constitution declared Ahmadiyyas as non Muslims which were initially invited to be a part of Pakistan by Jinnah as a sect of Muslims...

I do not see anything wrong which the gentleman said...

Pakistan was not a brainchild of Jinnah rather he wanted to have a saperate province and equal job opportunities for Muslims along with Hindus as Muslims were quite backward due to the traditional type of education from Madrasas but Hindus picked up the change quickly and excelled. It was the Mullahs and other Islamist who advised him to ask for a separate country to govern people as per Islamic rule... This sowed seed of Muslim Nation in Jinnah which till the end strived to make it a Secular Muslim state with everyone equal rights... but soon after Pakistan was was born... and later leaders took it forward as a different notion.. Second Amendment in Pakistan Constitution declared Ahmadiyyas as non Muslims which were initially invited to be a part of Pakistan by Jinnah as a sect of Muslims...

I do not see anything wrong which the gentleman said...

For Your information Mullahs and Islamists had opposed the creation of Pakistan they had opposed Jinnah.

partition was great for us. It allowed us to separate religion from the state(largely), which wouldn't have been possible with a higher percentage of religious folks.

We can safely criticize the conservatives here, without fear of death- barring a couple of incidents.

this will potentially speed up our social progress exponentially.

You indians are held hostage by Hindu extremists of Shiv Sena to an extent that you guys cant even host international sports event wherein Pakistan is participating.

 

[Bornubus]

Remember that anything that fall under IVC map by default belong to us,and yes this include gujrat state of india or the port you have mentioned.

Historically the People of IVC has imposed its culture/religion on the people india such as rig veda was composed by the ancestors of Pakistanis and is being imposed upon you guys.

So no matter even if IVC fall 100% under india,no indians will have the right to claim because to claim something of ivc standard is not suitable for any indian to make

Since when Gujrat and Haryana comes under Pak ?

This has been discussed on this very forum 100 times and debunked and talking of historically present day Pak and Afghanistan took their religion from others Buddhism and Hinduism from our case and Islam from Arabia as they failed to device their own religion.

And there is no exclusive IVC religion but it was a Pagan religion which is the religion of more than 1 billion people.

P.S - Also google the Map of Aryavrat,the abode of Aryans and geography which mentioned in Vedas,Rivers,mountains etc.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Partition was excellent. It allowed Pakistani people to maintain our culture, heritage, religion and provided a homeland to our unique and very beautiful race. I thank Allah swt everyday for the creation of Pakistan. We Pakistanis are very lucky and we should be more greatful for Pakistan. Had Pakistan not been created we would have suffered a fate and holocaust far greater than that of the Jews of WW2, Iraqis 2003-2012 and the Palestinians of now. May Allah swt bless the nation and federeation of Pakistan

 

[farhan_9909]

Since when Gujrat and Haryana comes under Pak ?

This has been discussed on this very forum 100 times and debunked and talking of historically present day Pak and Afghanistan took their religion from others Buddhism and Hinduism from our case and Islam from Arabia as they failed to device their own religion.

And there is no exclusive IVC religion but it was a Pagan religion which is the religion of more than 1 billion people.

P.S - Also google the Map of Aryavrat,the abode of Aryans and geography which mentioned in Vedas,Rivers,mountains etc.

Sir anything that fall under ancient ivc map belong to Pakistan including haryana and gujrat and this include the people aswell such as All sikh by default are Pakistani.

i would have explained in detail but i cant type long posts from mobile.

 

[xyxmt]

he was itching to say this for a long time and finally it comes out

 

[911]

Since when Gujrat and Haryana comes under Pak ?

Sirjee stop getting trolled .

 

[prashantazazel]

For Your information Mullahs and Islamists had opposed the creation of Pakistan they had opposed Jinnah.



You indians are held hostage by Hindu extremists of Shiv Sena to an extent that you guys cant even host international sports event wherein Pakistan is participating.

those Hindu extremists are a minority. The country is run by secular law. I can happily criticize any ideology here, and the law keeps me safe.

 

[911]

Sir anything that fall under ancient ivc map belong to Pakistan including haryana and gujrat and this include the people aswell such as All sikh by default are Pakistani.

i would have explained in detail but i cant type long posts from mobile.

Sirjee i live in Haryana. And i am Indian

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Sir anything that fall under ancient ivc map belong to Pakistan including haryana and gujrat and this include the people aswell such as All sikh by default are Pakistani.

i would have explained in detail but i cant type long posts from mobile.

Lol......saying a Sikh is Pakistani is like saying a Zulu is a Pakistani......lol.

In all seriousness, apart from language, Sikhs have 0 in common with Pakistanis. They are indians with their own culture and way of life which is completely different to that of the people of Pakistan.

 

[true]

Partition was a mistake made by short sighted politicians in thirst for power