What's new

Pentagon Moves to Block Russian Spy Plane in American Skies

Arzamas 16

FULL MEMBER
Joined
Mar 30, 2012
Messages
584
Reaction score
1
Country
Russian Federation
Location
Russian Federation
Russian surveillance planes already fly over America, thanks to a long-standing treaty. But a new, ultra-sophisticated spy plane has U.S. military and intelligence bosses spooked.
The Joint Chiefs of Staff of the U.S. military and American intelligence agencies have quietly pushed the White House in recent weeks to deny a new Russian surveillance plane the right to fly over U.S. territory. This week, the White House finally began consideration of the decision whether to certify the new Russian aircraft under the so-called “Open Skies Treaty.” And now the question becomes: Will the spies and generals get their way?

As the United States and Russia face off publicly over Ukraine, behind the scenes, President Obama’s national security cabinet is having its own quiet feud over a long-standing agreement to allow Russian surveillance flights over U.S. airspace.

The spies and the generals want to deny the Russians the overflight rights for its latest surveillance planes. The State Department, which ultimately makes that decision, has favored such certification. On Wednesday an interagency meeting of senior officials failed to reach consensus, delaying the decision until Obama takes it up with the National Security Council, according to U.S. officials involved in the dispute.

At issue is the Open Skies Treaty. First signed in 1992 and finally ratified in 2002, the treaty adopted by 34 nations allows the safe passage of planes equipped with advanced cameras and sensors that give governments the imagery and data they use to assess everything from compliance with arms control treaties to troop movements.

On April 15, the Republican chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, Rep. Howard “Buck” McKeon, and the Republican chairman of that panel’s subcommittee that oversees the U.S. nuclear arsenal, Rep. Mike Rogers, urged Obama to deny Russia the right to fly its new planes over U.S. airspace.

In their letter, the two lawmakers write, “We agree with the concerns expressed by the Intelligence Community and the military leadership of the Department of Defense” in their opposition to certifying the new Russian planes under the treaty.

The State Department on the other hand has argued the United States should live up to the treaty's obligations and approve the new Russian aircraft. The decision to certify the planes and their sensors has been pending since late last year, long before the Ukraine crisis began. One senior U.S. official said, “This isn’t just an issue between the United States and Russia. Our allies and partners depend on this treaty for insight into Russia because they don’t have the same capabilities as the United States.”

The Russians use the aircraft today to monitor U.S. nuclear weapons as part of arms control agreements between both countries. The Russian planes, according to U.S. officials involved in the dispute, contain a new sensor package that would allow Moscow to surveil American nuclear assets with a level of precision and detail that makes U.S. military and intelligence leaders deeply uncomfortable.

A letter first published by the Weekly Standard on April 13 from two Republican and two Democratic members of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence said the Russian Federation had just completed construction of aircraft that will “support digital photograph equipment, sideways-looking synthetic aperture radar, and infrared equipment.”

A U.S. official familiar with the dispute and sympathetic to the concerns of the military and intelligence community told The Daily Beast that the worry over the new Russian aircraft is independent of the standoff in Ukraine. “This would have been an issue even if there was no Ukraine crisis,” this official said.

In some ways, however, the Ukraine showdown has placed pressure the White House to hold off on further angering the Russians. The State Department, which has worked with Russia to iron out at least an agreement in principle to begin to disarm the pro-Russian militias that have seized eastern Ukrainian cities, wants to allow the new Russian aircraft to fly over U.S. airspace.

The Ukraine crisis has complicated the decision-making process on the Open Skies issue. Ukraine’s military has still failed to take back cities that have fallen to militias that Western leaders have said publicly are orchestrated by Russia’s special operations units known as the Spetsnaz.

In Geneva, Secretary of State John Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov announced the beginning of a process to de-escalate the crisis. But Lavrov also promised Kerry there were no military plans to take Crimea in late February, only to see Spetsnaz soldiers in uniforms without insignia take the peninsula's airports and government buildings.

“The Russian planes contain a new sensor package that would allow Moscow to surveil American nuclear assets with a level of precision and detail that makes U.S. military and intelligence leaders deeply uncomfortable.”

In Moscow on Thursday there was the most bizarre spectacle. Edward Snowden, the NSA contractor now wanted in U.S. court to face Espionage Act charges, asked Russia’s president whether his government collected as much Internet data as his old government did.

Over the weekend in nearby Moldova inside the quasi-independent region of Transnistria, the United States observed Russian troop movements that looked like they may be preparing to launch stealth operations into southern Ukraine.

Sporadic fighting also continued in eastern Ukrainian cities on Thursday.

But nonetheless there were some signs that the fighting is coming to a pause. Lavrov on Thursday agreed to support the demobilization of the militias that Kerry himself said his government was responsible for helping organize.

President Obama expressed cautious optimism that the agreement in Geneva could bring the region away from the brink of war. “I don’t think we can be sure of anything [in the Ukrainian crisis]. I think there is the possibility, the prospect, that diplomacy may de-escalate the situation,” he said at the White House.

The White House convened a meeting of top deputies of its national security cabinet to discuss the issue on Wednesday. National Security Council spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden declined to comment on that meeting.

“Without prejudging the outcome of that review, I would note that the Open Skies Treaty enhances confidence and transparency by allowing the 34 countries that are parties to it to obtain information on the military forces and activities of other Treaty partners,” she said. “It contributes to European security by providing images and information on Russian forces, and by permitting observation flights to verify compliance with arms control agreements.”

U.S. officials said the State Department favored granting the Open Skies certification for the new Russian aircraft.

Jennifer Elzea, a Defense Department spokesperson, said, “The Defense Department does not have a comment to provide at this time. Treaty compliance issues are the purview of the State Department. Department of Defense components, specifically the Defense Threat Reduction Agency and the Air Force, do provide personnel and aircraft for Open Skies observation flights, but overall treaty compliance issues fall to our colleagues at State.”


Pentagon Moves to Block Russian Spy Plane in American Skies - The Daily Beast
 
This what the yankees are scared of :D

2158894.jpg



The Aviationist » Russian Tu-214R intelligence gathering plane exposed! First photo of the new spyplane during test flight lands on the Web.
 
Looks like the bear got scared.:taz:

Russia blocks US from treaty-approved spy flights
By Bill Gertz

Published April 18, 2014
Washington Free Beacon

The Russian government this week canceled a planned U.S. surveillance flight over Russian territory in a bid to limit spying on massed troops facing off against Ukraine and Eastern Europe, according to U.S. officials.

The overflight mission was scheduled for April 14 to April 16 under the 1992 Open Skies Treaty, but Russia's government notified the State Department 72 hours before the scheduled flight that it would not be permitted.

The cancelation is unusual because the sole reason for putting off such treaty-approve surveillance is flight safety, such as bad weather.

Until this week, the United States and other European allies who are a party to the 34-nation treaty were conducting weekly overflights above Russia during the past month.

The Russian cancelation of the flight comes amid heightened tensions between Russia and the West over the crisis in Ukraine, where Russian troops militarily annexed the Crimean peninsula last month and continue to foment pro-Russian unrest in the eastern part of the country.

The cancelation further undermines the Obama administration's arms control-centered security policies. Russia recently was accused of violating and circumventing other arms treaties, including the 2010 New START arms treaty and the 1987 Intermediate-range Nuclear Forces Treaty.
 
Looks like finger pointing. Who to believe?
They like to say Trust but Verify.
But I don't think these two ever did trust each other except may be that drunkard Boris who was drunk most of the time so he didn't count.
 
Like the old saying goes,"nothing is written in stone"
 
Looks like the bear got scared.:taz:

Russia blocks US from treaty-approved spy flights
By Bill Gertz

Published April 18, 2014
Washington Free Beacon

The Russian government this week canceled a planned U.S. surveillance flight over Russian territory in a bid to limit spying on massed troops facing off against Ukraine and Eastern Europe, according to U.S. officials.

The overflight mission was scheduled for April 14 to April 16 under the 1992 Open Skies Treaty, but Russia's government notified the State Department 72 hours before the scheduled flight that it would not be permitted.

The cancelation is unusual because the sole reason for putting off such treaty-approve surveillance is flight safety, such as bad weather.

Until this week, the United States and other European allies who are a party to the 34-nation treaty were conducting weekly overflights above Russia during the past month.

The Russian cancelation of the flight comes amid heightened tensions between Russia and the West over the crisis in Ukraine, where Russian troops militarily annexed the Crimean peninsula last month and continue to foment pro-Russian unrest in the eastern part of the country.

The cancelation further undermines the Obama administration's arms control-centered security policies. Russia recently was accused of violating and circumventing other arms treaties, including the 2010 New START arms treaty and the 1987 Intermediate-range Nuclear Forces Treaty.

No surprise there. Especially with Ukraine is concerned. The last thing you want is having enemies knowing where your forces are for an invasion.
 
Looks like the bear got scared.:taz:

Russia blocks US from treaty-approved spy flights
By Bill Gertz

Published April 18, 2014
Washington Free Beacon

The Russian government this week canceled a planned U.S. surveillance flight over Russian territory in a bid to limit spying on massed troops facing off against Ukraine and Eastern Europe, according to U.S. officials.

The overflight mission was scheduled for April 14 to April 16 under the 1992 Open Skies Treaty, but Russia's government notified the State Department 72 hours before the scheduled flight that it would not be permitted.

The cancelation is unusual because the sole reason for putting off such treaty-approve surveillance is flight safety, such as bad weather.

Until this week, the United States and other European allies who are a party to the 34-nation treaty were conducting weekly overflights above Russia during the past month.

The Russian cancelation of the flight comes amid heightened tensions between Russia and the West over the crisis in Ukraine, where Russian troops militarily annexed the Crimean peninsula last month and continue to foment pro-Russian unrest in the eastern part of the country.

The cancelation further undermines the Obama administration's arms control-centered security policies. Russia recently was accused of violating and circumventing other arms treaties, including the 2010 New START arms treaty and the 1987 Intermediate-range Nuclear Forces Treaty.


That is some twisted logic there. The "Joint Chiefs of Staff of the U.S. military and American intelligence agencies" were in the process of breaking the Open Sky treaty by denying Russian aircraft to fly over US airspace. Russia was well aware of this and it was the US that was denied overflight of Russian airspace in retaliation of the US wanting to deny Russia overflights of US airspace.

So really, who got scared?
 
Looks like finger pointing. Who to believe?
They like to say Trust but Verify.
But I don't think these two ever did trust each other except may be that drunkard Boris who was drunk most of the time so he didn't count.

Never believe an American.
 
That is some twisted logic there. The "Joint Chiefs of Staff of the U.S. military and American intelligence agencies" were in the process of breaking the Open Sky treaty by denying Russian aircraft to fly over US airspace. Russia was well aware of this and it was the US that was denied overflight of Russian airspace in retaliation of the US wanting to deny Russia overflights of US airspace.

So really, who got scared?

Read again. Deny new Russian aircraft. Not denying any Russian aircraft. Even the poster has included that in the article. In any case, its no surprise that the Russians want to deny U.S. aircraft for possible invasion of east Ukraine which Putin denies but says he will do anything to "protect" Russians in the east.

Based on other Asian countries in Asia in response to Chinese aggression, its more like don't believe the Chinese.
 
Read again. Deny new Russian aircraft. Not denying any Russian aircraft. Even the poster has included that in the article. In any case, its no surprise that the Russians want to deny U.S. aircraft for possible invasion of east Ukraine which Putin denies but says he will do anything to "protect" Russians in the east.

Based on other Asian countries in Asia in response to Chinese aggression, its more like don't believe the Chinese.



So the US is allowed to use any aircraft it choses for Open Sky flyovers but Russia should use, what cessnas?
 
That is some twisted logic there. The "Joint Chiefs of Staff of the U.S. military and American intelligence agencies" were in the process of breaking the Open Sky treaty by denying Russian aircraft to fly over US airspace. Russia was well aware of this and it was the US that was denied overflight of Russian airspace in retaliation of the US wanting to deny Russia overflights of US airspace.

So really, who got scared?

Americans have no logic.
 
Back
Top Bottom