Pathankot attack: Pakistan detains JeM chief Maulana Masood Azhar, offices sealed

[Levina]

@ranjeet
The reason why Doval won't leave any stone unturned to get Masood Azar...


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New Delhi: As the Pakistan establishment closes in on terror group Jaish-e- Mohammed and its founder Maulana Masood Azhar - who India believes planned both the Pathankot air base attack and the strike on the Indian consulate in Mazar-e-Sharif, Afghanistan - one man would have reason to smile. National Security Advisor Ajit Doval.

In 1994 when Masood Azhar was accidentally caught in Srinagar, most agencies would disregard him as a small catch till Ajit Doval walked into the scene.

Azhar was 26 and was travelling on a false Portuguese passport, posing as a journalist who compiled a magazine for the Harkat-ul Mujahdeen.


Painstaking investigation and intelligence gathering by Ajit Doval and his team unearthed just how big Azhar was in the terror infrastructure of Pakistan. Also that he was sent by Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence or ISI to get the groups Harkut-ul- Ansar and Harkat-ul-Mujahideen together to carry out spectacular terror attacks in the Kashmir Valley and other parts of India.

One of his team members then - Asif Ibrahim - continues to be with him. Now as the Prime Minister's Special Envoy on Terrorism.

Ajit Doval's team, which comprised Asif Ibrahim, who is the Prime Minister Special Envoy on Terrorism, and Avinash Mohananey, now Director General of Police of Sikkim, alerted New Delhi to initiate remedial action.

Indian Airlines' Delhi-bound IC-814 was hijacked after it took off from Katmandu in Nepal (AP photo)

Years later, in December 1999, when Indian Airlines' Delhi-bound IC-814 was hijacked after it took off from Katmandu in Nepal, it was left to Ajit Doval and a few other officers to negotiate the release of the hostages.

Hours after the hijack, Mr Doval flew with then Indian Foreign Minister Jaswant Singh to Kandahar in Afghanistan, taking with them with three terrorists whose release was demanded by the hijackers in exchange for the passengers and crew of the plane.

The three terrorists were Masood Azhar, Omar Shiekh - now under arrest in Pakistan for murdering journalist Daniel Pearl - and Mustaq Zargar.

Two years later, when Masood Azhar and Lashkar-e-Taiba founder Hafiz Sayeed masterminded an attack on the Parliament of India, Mr Doval and his team played a crucial role in not only working out the plot but also the arrest of main accused Afzal Guru.

The December 2001 attack on Parliament forced India to mobilize troops at the border, allowing Pakistan to empty troops from western borders, which gave free passage to Osama Bin Laden and many other Al Qaida leaders into Pakistan.

This evening, Pakistani media reported that Masood Azhar and his close relatives had been taken into "protective custody" two days ago as Islamabad investigates the Pathankot attack.
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@MilSpec
I was sure that while peace talks continued, India would continue to pressurise Pakistan to detain terrorists like Masood Azhar.

maulan gajar massor

1. Don't call these terrorists as maulanas.
2. Who is he? (Auto correct issues?)

 

[Dash]

Wll how about this

IC 814 hijack hostage release had Doval as one of the man in ops for India. I am sure he regrets releasing azhar..

So now can he bring azhar back to India as NSA and finish an "unfinished' agenda ?

Practically that action would raise the credibility and stakes of GOP sky high in front of China and USA. and India i think then has to come to terms of engagement as dictated by GOP as they bought perpetrators to justice and handed them over to prove their seriousness about fight against terror.. USA aid F16 sales etc etc everything is ON as GOP credibility becomes far higher.

You think such a scenario is possible..

There is no official confirmation of Azhar being arrested. So till now its only hot air with no credibility. And even if Pakistan confirms the arrest of Azhar and bring him before justice, its not gonna be so easy for them to open the box as a lot of $hit will come out.

Its not gone to that level yet where Pakistan will have a considerable say. For that they need to do more and sustain it as a policy.

 

[scientien]

@ranjeet


http://www.buzzfeed.com/turkishairl...0001&utm_content=pp_347550756&b=1#.ra0Ve8e91A





This evening, Pakistani media reported that Masood Azhar and his close relatives had been taken into "protective custody" two days ago as Islamabad investigates the Pathankot attack.
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2. Who is he? (Auto correct issues?)

So i never got the meaning of protective custody.

 

[Levina]

So i never got the meaning of protective custody.

Hmm
Let me explain, last time Lakhvi was under protective custody he produced a baby...err his wife did.
Lol

Jokes apart, I have a feeling this time India-Pakistan peace talks will produce tangible results.

 

[MilSpec]

@ranjeet

@MilSpec
I was sure that while peace talks continued, India would continue to pressurise Pakistan to detain terrorists like Masood Azhar.

Root cause analysis (RCA) is a method of problem solving used for identifying the root causes of faults or problems.
It is a very common tool we use almost regularly to solve quality issue. When a product is being shipped and there is poor paint quality on the unit, we do not just patch up the paint. Instead we test the paint, we review the paint booth, process charts, to pinpoint the failure so we dont have to deal with this problem ever again. If it resurfaces, then it was a failure of Root Cause Analysis, and we get back to the drawing board and redo it all over again, to ensure the problem is solved.

What you are stating is a patch up, sure the end user won't know a difference, but I will have to add an paint inspection and rework to my process, which is counter productive and setting our selves up for failure, taking away competitive advantage of my product line.

Convincing Pakistani government to detain, arrest, terminate, people like Massod, is a patch up job. And if that is going to be the process, then NSA's job would be locate and pinpoint every asset of Pakistani Deepstate, and convince the government of Pakistan to take judicial actions against them, you will always be playing catch up to the agency that can fund and churn out such assets by dozens. This is the patch up job that government of India is doing, and setting itself up for failure

I am not comparing India with US, no sane mind would do so, but just stating the difference in strategy.
United states saw the duplicity of Pakistani deepstate in dismantling it's assets, so they used coercion along with incentives to straighten things. There root cause analysis was, Pakistani controlled assets were causing problems for them, they used a solid five years of coercion with diplomatic coercion by clubbing pak in AF-Pak, they used militarty coercion by strategic bombing via drone strikes and precision strikes, they showed Pakistan's sovereignty will be at risk if it continues it roadmap, and then then they used incremental incentives to reward good behavior. I am least concerned with the efficacy of this strategy, but the point is there is clear strategy, a coherent roadmap, because they have an effective well thought out Pakistan policy that serves their geo-strategic interests.

India on the other hand has miserably failed to develop a strategy, there is no proactive roadmap, everything is reactive. We take half assed actions as retaliation for an event that develops from the Pakistani side, which gives them a major advantage. Unless we have coherent strategic plan vis-a-vis pakistani deepstate, there is no chance of making any headway in securing our long-term strategic objectives.

 

[Spectre]

Root cause analysis (RCA) is a method of problem solving used for identifying the root causes of faults or problems.
It is a very common tool we use almost regularly to solve quality issue. When a product is being shipped and there is poor paint quality on the unit, we do not just patch up the paint. Instead we test the paint, we review the paint booth, process charts, to pinpoint the failure so we dont have to deal with this problem ever again. If it resurfaces, then it was a failure of Root Cause Analysis, and we get back to the drawing board and redo it all over again, to ensure the problem is solved.

What you are stating is a patch up, sure the end user won't know a difference, but I will have to add an paint inspection and rework to my process, which is counter productive and setting our selves up for failure, taking away competitive advantage of my product line.

Convincing Pakistani government to detain, arrest, terminate, people like Massod, is a patch up job. And if that is going to be the process, then NSA's job would be locate and pinpoint every asset of Pakistani Deepstate, and convince the government of Pakistan to take judicial actions against them, you will always be playing catch up to the agency that can fund and churn out such assets by dozens. This is the patch up job that government of India is doing, and setting itself up for failure

I am not comparing India with US, no sane mind would do so, but just stating the difference in strategy.
United states saw the duplicity of Pakistani deepstate in dismantling it's assets, so they used coercion along with incentives to straighten things. There root cause analysis was, Pakistani controlled assets were causing problems for them, they used a solid five years of coercion with diplomatic coercion by clubbing pak in AF-Pak, they used militarty coercion by strategic bombing via drone strikes and precision strikes, they showed Pakistan's sovereignty will be at risk if it continues it roadmap, and then then they used incremental incentives to reward good behavior. I am least concerned with the efficacy of this strategy, but the point is there is clear strategy, a coherent roadmap, because they have an effective well thought out Pakistan policy that serves their geo-strategic interests.

India on the other hand has miserably failed to develop a strategy, there is no proactive roadmap, everything is reactive. We take half assed actions as retaliation for an event that develops from the Pakistani side, which gives them a major advantage. Unless we have coherent strategic plan vis-a-vis pakistani deepstate, there is no chance of making any headway in securing our long-term strategic objectives.

The article assumes that there are coherent strategies available to extract the adversarial deep state from within Pakistan.

I agree India has been reactive because that is all we can do with the resources available to us and the conditioning of mindset across the border. We have tried pro-active soft strategies like cultural exchanges, political engagement at the highest level, granting MFN to ensure economic co-dependence but these measures where spat out in our face in form of one betrayal of trust after another. What options remain to us?

1. React after every act of terror with heavy diplomatic offensive
2. Improve our internal security structure
3. Pay back in the same coin through covert activities
4. Invade Pakistan and dismantle the deep state by disbanding Pakistani Army

1/2/3 are within our capabilities and to a varying extent I assume GoI is employing measures falling in above three categories.

4 Is the shortest and most direct root and only US of A is capable militarily but not politically and economically. Let alone India.

 

[mikhail ivanovich]

And yet Indian external affairs ministry says it has no confirmation of him being detained because Miyan mohammad nawaz shareef did not utter a word about him being arrested/detained. As pressure from US/India mounts on pakistan, Pakistan army has deviced a strategy not to deny but to show some action like house arrest/false detention etc. Pakistan army is the father of such insurgents groups, even if they are detained do they have anything to lose/fear because they are not allowed to roam freely so that no chil/kaua from US/India take him to their jail and punish him for his deeds. Indian journo by using common sence have proved that the terrorists were from pakistan.

 

[Ray_of_Hope]

I am not contradicting, both are arrested for their alleged role in malegaon blasts and not samjhota blasts,

Thats why i said that they are still at large because they are the alleged perpetuators of Samjhota Bombings.

Truth of Samjhauta blasts: This is UN resolution 1267/1989. It clearly blames LeT & Al-Qaida- Security Council Subsidiary Bodies: An Overview | United Nations Security Council Subsidiary Organs pic.twitter.com/AZoi0nrYi1— IBTL (@IndiaBTL) August 22, 2015

BTW....Where is the source apart from a tweet and official page of UN saying nothing about the said Bombing.

 

[AyanRay]

Thats why i said that they are still at large because they are the alleged perpetuators of Samjhota Bombings.

BTW....Where is the source apart from a tweet and official page of UN saying nothing about the said Bombing.

Sorry, my bad!

There you go.

Go directly to the section about Arif Qasmani

Cable: 09STATE59714_a

Security Council Al-Qaida and Taliban Sanctions Committee Adds Names of Three Individuals to Consolidated List | Meetings Coverage and Press Releases

And no, they are not at large. Please go through the history of samjhota blast investigation. The only time when Assemanand or Purohit were named was in a newspaper article claiming an 'unidentified source' thinking that they might also have a hand in samjhota blast.

Now you decide which one to believe, the UN resolution or a newspaper article which did not even name its source.

 

[Levina]

Root cause analysis (RCA) is a method of problem solving used for identifying the root causes of faults or problems.
It is a very common tool we use almost regularly to solve quality issue. When a product is being shipped and there is poor paint quality on the unit, we do not just patch up the paint. Instead we test the paint, we review the paint booth, process charts, to pinpoint the failure so we dont have to deal with this problem ever again. If it resurfaces, then it was a failure of Root Cause Analysis, and we get back to the drawing board and redo it all over again, to ensure the problem is solved.

What you are stating is a patch up, sure the end user won't know a difference, but I will have to add an paint inspection and rework to my process, which is counter productive and setting our selves up for failure, taking away competitive advantage of my product line.

Convincing Pakistani government to detain, arrest, terminate, people like Massod, is a patch up job. And if that is going to be the process, then NSA's job would be locate and pinpoint every asset of Pakistani Deepstate, and convince the government of Pakistan to take judicial actions against them, you will always be playing catch up to the agency that can fund and churn out such assets by dozens. This is the patch up job that government of India is doing, and setting itself up for failure

I am not comparing India with US, no sane mind would do so, but just stating the difference in strategy.
United states saw the duplicity of Pakistani deepstate in dismantling it's assets, so they used coercion along with incentives to straighten things. There root cause analysis was, Pakistani controlled assets were causing problems for them, they used a solid five years of coercion with diplomatic coercion by clubbing pak in AF-Pak, they used militarty coercion by strategic bombing via drone strikes and precision strikes, they showed Pakistan's sovereignty will be at risk if it continues it roadmap, and then then they used incremental incentives to reward good behavior. I am least concerned with the efficacy of this strategy, but the point is there is clear strategy, a coherent roadmap, because they have an effective well thought out Pakistan policy that serves their geo-strategic interests.

India on the other hand has miserably failed to develop a strategy, there is no proactive roadmap, everything is reactive. We take half assed actions as retaliation for an event that develops from the Pakistani side, which gives them a major advantage. Unless we have coherent strategic plan vis-a-vis pakistani deepstate, there is no chance of making any headway in securing our long-term strategic objectives.

lol
I like your explanation.

Well, I want to believe that India-Pakistan peace talk isn't limited to these countries now, countries like US,China also have a role to play.
So the grand plan is
1) US promises Pakistan a nuclear fuel waiver and legitimacy for its nuclear programme on par with India in return for dumping its terrorists- Paksitan agrees.
2) Pakistani Army dilutes its support to the extreme elements and Hurriyat.
3) The terrorist groups decide to put up a strong fight- this is now an existential fight for them.
And this is where Pathankot attack comes into picture.

Why do you think China would celebrate when it's client state turns friendly with India? As I said earlier, I want to believe we might finally be able to strike a deal with our neighbours.

But we must brace up for the wrath of terrorists groups in 2016...atleast till April 1st week.
Remember US has invited India and Pakistan for the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Conference on March 31(April 1?) this year, in the US?

 

[MilSpec]

lol
I like your explanation.

Well, I want to believe that India-Pakistan peace talk isn't limited to these countries now, countries like US,China also have a role to play.
So the grand plan is
1) US promises Pakistan a nuclear fuel waiver and legitimacy for its nuclear programme on par with India in return for dumping its terrorists- Paksitan agrees.
2) Pakistani Army dilutes its support to the extreme elements and Hurriyat.
3) The terrorist groups decide to put up a strong fight- this is now an existential fight for them.
And this is where Pathankot attack comes into picture.

Why do you think China would celebrate when it's client state turns friendly with India? As I said earlier, I want to believe we might finally be able to strike a deal with our neighbours.

But we must brace up for the wrath of terrorists groups in 2016...atleast till April 1st week.
Remember US has invited India and Pakistan for the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Conference on March 31(April 1?) this year, in the US?

Well, I appreciate your optimism.

My narrative is based on weakness of India's policies, both external and internal. If my estimates are wrong and my outlook is wrong, then there is no better news.

The next para is hawkish, but then again I am ok with the adjective; my concern is not about peace. Peace/ regional stability may or may not align with securing India's interest, either way to me is an acceptable roadmap. What is needed is coherence in our Pakistan policy. Stated (not to public) objectives both long term and short term. Multiple strategies at different front (diplomatic, military, political, economical) to achieve these objective, Timed review and re-calibration of these strategy, which in turn will lead to changes.

The article assumes that there are coherent strategies available to extract the adversarial deep state from within Pakistan.

I agree India has been reactive because that is all we can do with the resources available to us and the conditioning of mindset across the border. We have tried pro-active soft strategies like cultural exchanges, political engagement at the highest level, granting MFN to ensure economic co-dependence but these measures where spat out in our face in form of one betrayal of trust after another. What options remain to us?

1. React after every act of terror with heavy diplomatic offensive
2. Improve our internal security structure
3. Pay back in the same coin through covert activities
4. Invade Pakistan and dismantle the deep state by disbanding Pakistani Army

1/2/3 are within our capabilities and to a varying extent I assume GoI is employing measures falling in above three categories.

4 Is the shortest and most direct root and only US of A is capable militarily but not politically and economically. Let alone India.

which article are you referring to?

The article assumes that there are coherent strategies available to extract the adversarial deep state from within Pakistan.

That is a big failure of the security administration of not having a strategy. It's never about extracting or nuetralizing the adversary but ensuring that the price of aggression will cause insurmountable losses on the other side which will make it unfeasible to continue with it's current trajectory.

Coming up with a list is not my or your job, just like I cant tell what should be the CR curve for a LP stage on a turbofan. This is the job of the specialist and it doesn't look like they are doing there due diligence for the better part of the last two decades. I do appreciate your views and input on the options available, but respectfully disagree on the premise and it's effect altogether.

I agree India has been reactive because that is all we can do with the resources available to us and the conditioning of mindset across the border. We have tried pro-active soft strategies like cultural exchanges, political engagement at the highest level, granting MFN to ensure economic co-dependence but these measures where spat out in our face in form of one betrayal of trust after another. What options remain to us?

1. React after every act of terror with heavy diplomatic offensive
2. Improve our internal security structure
3. Pay back in the same coin through covert activities
4. Invade Pakistan and dismantle the deep state by disbanding Pakistani Army

1/2/3 are within our capabilities and to a varying extent I assume GoI is employing measures falling in above three categories.

4 Is the shortest and most direct root and only US of A is capable militarily but not politically and economically. Let alone India.

 

[Oracle 33]

JEM are too big and have much paisa to be taken down, they will go underground until the next attack.

CTD seals Jaish-e-Muhammad-linked Madressah in Sialkot | Pakistan | thenews.com.pk

These measure are a still step in right way

 

[Levina]

What is needed is coherence in our Pakistan policy.

How do would you know even if India has one?

Stated (not to public) objectives both long term and short term.

Right!!!
Lol

 

[MilSpec]

How do would you know even if India has one?

Right!!!
Lol

Great point,
I dont need to know the flexural rigidity of the double wish bone suspension on the Jag XES, if it can provide better approach speeds than a BMW 335, neither do I need to know the screw profile on a variable speed compressor as long as it can show better efficiency throughout the load curve.

But when the results are dismal, then the logic and planning behind the system comes into question. Today if ISAF keeps taking huge losses every month, there strategy would come into question. But then the results are there to see, and the roadmap used to get to those results are visible, you can estimate a broad based objective, even if not stated.

here the reuslts are dismal, thus the fear that strategy is either flawed, or in my words non-existent.

 

[T-123456]

Hmm
Let me explain, last time Lakhvi was under protective custody he produced a baby...err his wife did.
Lol

Jokes apart, I have a feeling this time India-Pakistan peace talks will produce tangible results.

So Teach,how is the investigation going,any concrete results?