Pashtun Tahafuz Movement (PTM) sponsored by NDS & RAW

[Ocean]

Too late now, that should have been nipped im the bud right then and the establishment step in to give a very public punishment to rao anwar.

Now, its about fixing FATA overnight and the terror issues while still dealing with a nationalist Pashtun movement.

issue is that if army withdraws then once again ttp will gain foothold cause i recall watching an army officer sharing in powerplay war on terror series that even tho most of fata is cleared up but its still a hi risk security zone due to multiple factors one being proximity with afghanistan and thats why army is sort of still stuck in the area , plus in fata there are still some mischievous locals plus afghan refugees who support these ttp groups and will help them reorganize in these areas taking advantage of reduced armed forces presence, uskay baad jab us area may un terrorists nay wahan kay logon ki bajani hai and when just like past these terrorists will try to enter into pakistani major cities and blow themselves up tab sab ziada matam bhi pakistani army kay peechay in hi logon nay karna hai.

 

[SQ8]

Oh for God's sake man. How?
If you start quivering in your boots just because every jumped up guy with a grievance managed a jalsa we would never get anything done.

They are going to do.....what? Start an insurgency? The Army broke the last ones back. A nationwide bombing campaig? The Security forces are onto them? Get India to invade? How? THis is not 1000 mile away BD and the nuclear dimension changes things.

Even ANP won't touch these folks.

The simple answer is that Tribals have lived with this idea of being fierce warriors who have "never been conquered" (the later can be disproven with a simple reading of a history book). The Taliban and later the Pakistan Army and Airforce have administered such an asskicking that it has blown their entire way of life and ideals sky high. Change has been forced to them at a barrel of a gun and at the business end of a PGM. Its going to lead to frustrations. Not unexpected.

issue is that if army withdraws then once again ttp will gain foothold cause i recall watching an army officer sharing in powerplay war on terror series that even tho most of fata is cleared up but its still a hi risk security zone due to multiple factors one being proximity with afghanistan and thats why army is sort of still stuck in the area , plus in fata there are still some mischievous locals plus afghan refugees who support these ttp groups and will help them reorganize in these areas taking advantage of reduced armed forces presence, uskay baad jab us area may un terrorists nay wahan kay logon ki bajani hai and when just like past these terrorists will try to enter into pakistani major cities and blow themselves up tab sab ziada matam bhi pakistani army kay peechay in hi logon nay karna hai.

At the end of the day, the people of the area may be unsatisfied and open to exploitation. Who is right or wrong is irrelevant versus what is good for the state.

If it is good for the state that ten children be sacrificed to flesh eating pigs then it may be time to think an alternative.

But if some rowdy young thugs need to be entertained while in the background their families are picked and killed off, so be it.

 

[pakdefender]

Thousands of Pashtuns have died and many more continue to lose their lives in Afghanistan but tahafuz is needed in Pakistan , makes sense

I would like to see PTM to make a call to get Fazlullah , the killer of thousands of swatis and who now is under protection in Afghanistan

also manzoor pashteen can help remind everyone who was Abdullah Mehsud, Baitullah Mehsud , Hakimullah Mehsud and many others and the role these characters played in Pashtun Tahafuz

 

[Spring Onion]

Total media blackout there is no coverage so cant be media , did the campaingers went door door !!?? Technically not possible .. Why such huge no of local pushtuns are taking the opposite side .. there is more to this

They did. They went to universities, their ladies went to vendors on roads, they ,met with transport mafia, trade unions and there is this rumour also that they had bluffed the AFghan refugees if they did not attend the march then Pakistan will deport them to AFghanistan

 

[pak-marine]

They did. They went to universities, their ladies went to vendors on roads, they ,met with transport mafia, trade unions and there is this rumour also that they had bluffed the AFghan refugees if they did not attend the march then Pakistan will deport them to AFghanistan

And your source is ?

 

[Spring Onion]

And your source is ?

Their meetings, their own activists. We are here on ground in Peshawar so we know and cover their activities. Their activists were also banned to enter in certain university area after they were found to distribute propaganda material. As far as the rumour about pressing refugees for participation well I cannot confirm it that is why I said there is this rumour. HOWever there is this fact that when many participants were asked for showing national id card majority of them made excuses like they are students and do not have it

 

[Winchester]

Now, its about fixing FATA overnight and the terror issues while still dealing with a nationalist Pashtun movement.

A good start would be announcing immediate merger of FATA with KPK. I also believe Imran needs to be reached out to...he is perhaps the only national leader who can connect with the Pushtun youth.

PTM is playing there cards well. The brains behind it are smart. Announcing a rally in Lahore and naming it Rad-ul-Fasaad. They are betting on provoking a response from the state or even the regular public in Punjab when they will hold it in Lahore.

Discredit the only national institution first and then moving on to other ethnic groups. ISI as usual caught sleeping.

 

[SQ8]

A good start would be announcing immediate merger of FATA with KPK. I also believe Imran needs to be reached out to...he is perhaps the only national leader who can connect with the Pushtun youth.

PTM is playing there cards well. The brains behind it are smart. Announcing a rally in Lahore and naming it Rad-ul-Fasaad. They are betting on provoking a response from the state or even the regular public in Punjab when they will hold it in Lahore.

Discredit the only national institution first and then moving on to other ethnic groups. ISI as usual caught sleeping.

That ball has been dropped to Afghanistan, they(not RAW) jumped on it because Afghanistan is actually our true mortal enemy. Remember, Nehru wanted the partition at the end.. and India was ok in recognizing everything apart from Kashmir.. but the Afghanis cannot stand the existence of Pakistan since a large chunk of it includes the Pashtun areas.
Compared to our accomodating their refugees, one only has to look at the pathetic treatment the Afghan gave the (misguided) Khilafat movement migrants.

 

[Shahzaz ud din]

Fruit from Wana and Swat is being sold in Lahore instead of Peshawar."

Do you think Punjabis selling these fruits.No they all are Pakhtoons. They sell in abundance and get good price.No body ever stopped them to go to Peshawar and do business over there.

After Rao Anwar (the ex-SSP Malir accused of the extrajudicial murder of Naqeebullah Mehsud), it is now the turn of Ehsanullah Ehsan (former TTP leader)," he said, demanding that the erstwhile TTP spokesperson should be brought to the courts.

He did not demand Fazlullah should be brought to the court.or any APS murderers.

Da sanga azadi da (what kind of freedom is this).

Don't like it better go back to your motherland Afghanistan

The Islamabad sit-in would end only after an international guarantee, Pashteen told the audience.

Here come the actual game .This is the time to nip him in the bud otherwise another Fazalullah in making

 

[YeBeWarned]

Kuch log Kabhi nai sudherte .. let them have some Rallies and march's

 

[Shahzaz ud din]

Manzoor Pashten group rally is alarming for not only state law and order apparatus and PTI ruling party but for unity of pakistan

Thread starter's comments : Is this group being nurtured to damage PTI or to damage Pakistan or to damage ISI and military I do not honestly know . Its agenda is human rights type , its presence for a time in Islamabad press club indicates it has some official patronage of atleast one of controllers of pakistan . Its supporting articles first appeared in Shia controlled press "The Dawn" , then articles supporting its stance appeared prominently in "The News" and today's rally firmly establishes that what ever role assigned to this group by whop ever , local or foreign , it sure has a role .

Pashtuns are the ones who benefitted the most from Pakistan project in the form of access to commerce and land and jobs of Sindh and punjab .Any movement implying protest and deprivation is going to weaken their local support in Sindh and punjab . This is damaging to pashtun cause in other words.

Missing persons could be anyone , our wrong constitution made by Bhutto has given too much power to civil service , judiciary and military and we are seeing results . But pashtoons must remember that 90% of suicide bombers were pashtuns , if they could not cleanse their society of violence , state had to step in and like states many many go missing and suffer in such big operations as costing may be up to 10 billion dollars .

Even those lawfully and semilawfully killed in Swat and Waziristan operation could be big and such antistate combatants have offcourse weeping parents .

Such human rights and recovering operations are best done by not such rallies but silently via retired senior civil servants and army people and such like silent persons .

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This to me is an anti PTI and anti agencies exercise with even connivance of some elements of agencies obyeing foreign masters . Cause is however of humanism no doubt .

https://www.dawn.com/news/1400349/we...peshawar-rally

 

[Winchester]

Afghanistan is actually our true mortal enemy

Indeed.

This person is one of the heads of PTM. Notice the word

https://twitter.com/x/status/982922330405064704

 

[PAKjunoon]

The movement is gaining momentum so better to meet there demands...before it creates anarchy or spread into other areas..
Army should stay on borders and leave the internal security to government ...Its not there job ..They have done there part

No they are not gaining any momentum.


Infact his jalsa was an epic failure.More people come at our village's majlis.

You can see all the replies to his supporters given by ordinary Pakistanis on social media.

 

[Ocean]

If it is good for the state that ten children be sacrificed to flesh eating pigs then it may be time to think an alternative.
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at the end of the day one cant deny injustice suffered by naqeeb his family and by dozens of those who were killed by anwar criminal and the family members of murdered but a march which was started to get justice for naqeeb later morphed into something different to the point that now they are playing into the hands of total anti state elements.

And for those pushtoons who are pakistani and are blindly supporting this marchs demands, do they even realize that for one naqeebs death they are looking for a replay of 2007-2015 time period where non stop blasts had rocked pakistan.

Failure to arrest Rao anwaar is a shameless blot on our leas and intel agencies performance but with setting such demands these pushtoons are essentially asking for the repeat slaughter of pakistani kids. Matlab kya aik naqeeb kay peechay army fata chor day aur aik pushtoon kay murder ki wajah say pooray mulk may phir say terrorist ghus aain and for one single pushtoon guys murder, 1000s of other Pakistanis should start losing their lives to new wave of bomb blasts? If these people were so far sighted they would not have allowed ttp to gain foothold in their areas in the past. They allowed them in to establish their control, these locals suffered , whole pakistan suffered ; now they are acting short sighted once again. And sab say pehlay waisay inki apni arse hi bajti hai ttp kay haathon.

And btw rao anwar had killed more karachiites than perhaps other groups then how is it pushtoon genocide?

And it has been long since this march had totally stopped being abt naqeeb. So when its not even abt naqeeb any more then why the hell should state cave in before these thugs?

I am all for considering legit demands like upping razed-during-operations houses compensation sum or looking into other such issues but if they will ask for removal of army check posts, army withdrawal then there will be a surge in terror attacks specially at security forces. Honestly just the thought of 1000s afghan refugees being part of this rally boils my blood. Ghus bethiye.

 

[PAKjunoon]

What proof does Manxoor have that missing persons were abducted by Pak Army?
Most of them went missing when the fighting between The state and terrorits were at peak.

Maybe those missing were killed by taliban?

Or they themselves were taliban and has been killed in fighting or escaped to Afghanistan??