Parrikar decides to purchase 44,000 CQB Carbines via direct route and cancel tender process

[zambino]

So which carbine are we buying? Galil ace 21?

 

[Zarvan]

So which carbine are we buying? Galil ace 21?

Yes that is part which I am most interested in. Which rifle you are going to buy ? I mean which carbine ?

@nair @MilSpec @SarthakGanguly

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Perturbed with the repeated failure to purchase 44,000 close quarter battle (CQB) carbines, a crucial weapon for the Indian Army for its counter-terrorism operations in the Kashmir Valley, the Manohar Parrikar-led Ministry of Defence (MoD) will buy them directly instead of opting for the global tendering process.

For the last two decades, the Army has been battling to replace its British-era carbines, the sub-machine gun or the sten gun, which were reti red long ago. But each time the selection process get stuck on allegations of corruption and favouritism.

“With repeated failure to procure it through the global tendering process, the ministry has to go for direct government-to-government sale for buying the weapon. It will speed up the acquisition process and will rule out allegations of corruption,” a top ministry official said.

The MoD proposed an agreement under foreign military sales with a country for buying 10,000 such carbines directly. The remaining lot can be manufactured here with a production license to meet Army’s requirement.Recently, former MoS for Defence defence Rao Inderjit Singh wrote to Parri

kar seeking a CBI probe over the selection criteria of the final vendor after a mammoth six-year exercise by the Army and the ministry. Singh alleged the Army tweaked the technical specifications to favour a particular vendor.


In 2008, when the Army issued a global tender to replace the 1944 vintage CQBs, the original request was sent to 28 companies. Five responded. After eight years of deliberations and trials, the competition boiled down to Italian Beretta and Israeli Weapon Industry.


An Army officer involved in counter-insurgency operations said the British-era carbines are not battle worthy. “The carbines were authorised to commanders of Ghatak platoon, the Army’s first line of offensive in anti-terrorist operations. But the weapons are no match for militants who use sophisticated automatic weapons. In conventional warfare, militants are multi-generations ahead of the Army,” he said.



http://www.defencenews.in/article/P...direct-route-and-cancel-tender-process-239760

oh god, indians still cant produce their own rifles?

lulz

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

oh god, indians still cant produce their own rifles?

lulz

If we Indians have to even copycat a Chinese bike, isn't it obvious we Indians cannot produce our rifles

 

[Makarena]

why can't India make its own carbines?? it isn't rocket science

 

[GR!FF!N]

why can't India make its own carbines?? it isn't rocket science

Please learn more before opening your mouth and making a fool out of yourself..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Sub_Machine_Carbine

50 MSMCs are scheduled to be issued to user trials in 2016.

 

[Makarena]

so why import? if one can make it by oneself, why feel the need to import?

btw, that is some crappy looking rifle, the finishing is so bad. Sorry but that is the truth

 

[randomradio]

so why import? if one can make it by oneself, why feel the need to import?

btw, that is some crappy looking rifle, the finishing is so bad. Sorry but that is the truth

'Pretty' western rifles break in our conditions. Most of them don't even clear trials. That's why only 5 out of 28 global companies responded, and only 2 cleared trials.

The 'ugly' Indian MSMC also cleared initial trials. Army says they will buy the gun if DRDO improves average stoppage.

 

[Han Patriot]

Damn it, another import? For freaking small arms?

so why import? if one can make it by oneself, why feel the need to import?

btw, that is some crappy looking rifle, the finishing is so bad. Sorry but that is the truth

Lemme tell you, they will give you a million reasons why it is better to import. No point asking, just let them import.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Because their own domestic equipment is so bad in quality that even their own armed forces reject them- just like the proposed naval Tejas(rejected by their own Navy), Kaveri engine(rejected by their own Airforce) and now even simple small arms like carbines get rejected by their own Army(safer to anway- in case the bullets flys backwards towards the firer instead of forwards towards the enemy lulz).

Not to mention they can even make their own ammunition lulz

https://sputniknews.com/asia/201612021048075526-india-private-sector-ammo-production/

I reckon they should be able to produce working bows and arrows though.

Jai Hind~

 

[bipi@342]

'Pretty' western rifles break in our conditions. Most of them don't even clear trials. That's why only 5 out of 28 global companies responded, and only 2 cleared trials.

The 'ugly' Indian MSMC also cleared initial trials. Army says they will buy the gun if DRDO improves average stoppage.

I think this purchase is for RR that to just 10000 . MSMC will be procured for regular

 

[Makarena]

'Pretty' western rifles break in our conditions. Most of them don't even clear trials. That's why only 5 out of 28 global companies responded, and only 2 cleared trials.

The 'ugly' Indian MSMC also cleared initial trials. Army says they will buy the gun if DRDO improves average stoppage.

any news with INSAS btw?

 

[randomradio]

any news with INSAS btw?

INSAS will be replaced with a new gun that can fire 7.62x51mm rounds. A modified INSAS called Excalibur will be purchased in the interim.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Because their own domestic equipment is so bad in quality that even their own armed forces reject them- just like the proposed naval Tejas(rejected by their own Navy), Kaveri engine(rejected by their own Airforce) and now even simple small arms like carbines get rejected by their own Army(safer to anway- in case the bullets flys backwards towards the firer instead of forwards towards the enemy lulz).

Not to mention they can even make their own ammunition lulz

https://sputniknews.com/asia/201612021048075526-india-private-sector-ammo-production/

You're clueless. What does that link have to do with anything? The private sector has barred from even making ammo or defence equipment, doesnt mean they cant make ammo. India made a monopoly control the production of it's small arms, tanks, ammo, what have you. That is changing with the liberalization of the defence sector.

The naval variant of the Tejas was rejected, sure, but the air force one got more orders for the initial batch. Too many clueless trolls around here.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

You're clueless. What does that link have to do with anything?

what has that link not got to do with anything here? bullets are also ammunition.

The private sector has barred from even making ammo or defence equipment, doesnt mean they cant make ammo. India made a monopoly control the production of it's small arms, tanks, ammo, what have you. That is changing with the liberalization of the defence sector.

ya and im going to live on the Moon tommorrow

The naval variant of the Tejas was rejected, sure, but the air force one got more orders for the initial batch. Too many clueless trolls around here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman what's wrong with with me saying naval tejas got rejected by your own navy? isnt that true? yes/no?(no grandmother deflection stories pls)

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ooks-for-alternative/articleshow/55761834.cms

Navy rejects ‘overweight’ Tejas, looks for alternative

NEW DELHI: The Navy has rejected the naval version of the indigenous Tejas light combat aircraft (LCA), holding that the "overweight" fighter cannot optimally operate from aircraft carriers, and is now looking to induct an alternative fighter from abroad in the next five to six years.

"We will continue to support Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL) and Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), but the naval LCA in its present form unfortunately does not meet our qualitative requirements for carrier capability," said Admiral Sunil Lanba on Friday.




The single-engine Tejas, which is "too heavy", does not meet the "thrust-to-weight requirement to take off with a full fuel and arms load" from an aircraft carrier's deck. At present, the Navy has inducted over 30 of the 45 MiG-29K fighters acquired from Russia for $2 billion. Both the MiG-29Ks and the naval Tejas were supposed to operate from the 44,400-tonne carrier INS Vikramaditya as well as the under-construction 40,000-tonne INS Vikrant, which will be ready by 2019-2020.
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"In addition to MiG-29Ks, we now need an alternative aircraft to operate from these two carriers. If you look around the world, there are not too many options available and we need this carrier-capable aircraft sooner than later. So, I am looking at next five to six years," said Admiral Lanba.




While the IAF is going to get at least 120 Tejas, under the LCA project which was cleared way back in 1983, the Navy was supposed to get around 50 of the indigenous fighters. IAF had earlier ordered 40 Tejas jets, with the defence ministry in November giving the initial approval for procurement of another 83 Tejas Mark-1A fighters from HAL for Rs 50,025 crore. The Mark-1A version, which is the one IAF really wants, will be ready only by 2020 or so

more like u're the clueless 1 here lulz.