Paradoxes of a Non-Resident Pakistani

[jetti]

Did you know Waqas Mirza----the fast bowler----from san francisco

nope.. i dont recollect hearing that name in 2001-2004. must be more recent.

 

[khanz]

Unfortunately the article itself dragged Indians into this.

no it didn't it very briefly mentioned indians like once about tuition but didn't say anything bad about them it is an internal discussion amongst pakistanis about paradox of being an overseas pakistani thus only someone who has experienced living both inside and outside pakistan can understand and contribute to this debate you guys don't have this experience and are only here to troll and you know this don't try and hide behind this lie that article involves you .People like that jatt idiot are obviously a shi t starters.

 

[Developereo]

Indian expats do better than Pakistanis. Its a well documented fact. There is nothing to argue about, focus on the rest of the article.

That is true.

The fact is that Indian expats tend to be far better organized and help each other than do Pakistani expats. I remember a week after 9/11, when I was in New Jersey, the Indian community had already distributed newsletters telling people how to respond to discrimination, including legal hot-lines. It is also true that Indians tend to be far better clued in as to the importance of public relations and media image. Finally, there is no denying that Indians tend to place a lot of emphasis on education and professional occupations, as opposed to shop-keeping. Many Pakistani expats see migration as a goal in itself, rather than a stepping stone to better opportunities.

The flip side, which Indians will dispute and reject, but which is the dirty little, politically incorrect secret people don't say out loud, is that the overwhelming majority of newly arrived Indians in high tech jobs/management are there only due to connections. About 20% of the people are actually qualified, about 50% are mediocre and could be replaced by anyone else with six months training -- in fact, most of them have just that, notwithstanding their 'resume' --, and the other 30% are there simply because they are the wife/neighbor/cousin of some Indian in a position of authority back home. Again, given the excellent community organization amongst expat Indians, the unqualified "geniuses" manage to squeak by with a little -- or a lot of -- help from colleagues.

And, needless to say, given the huge numbers whenever India is involved, even 20% is a lot of people and you will clearly get some superstars from such a large pool.

 

[Rusty]

pakistani canadian are second most poverty ridden group of canadians

Wow, you gave no link or documentations for that graph.
So I guess if I make up a graph about Indians then you would also have no choice but to believe it.

Btw, this if the official Canadian government site on low income
Chapter 3 - Low income across groups of people

says nothing about any racial groups.

But the fact that you went through the trouble to find this just hows how much a compulsive hater you are.

 

[Roybot]

The flip side, which Indians will dispute and reject, but which is the dirty little, politically incorrect secret people don't say out loud, is that the overwhelming majority of newly arrived Indians in high tech jobs/management are there only due to connections. About 20% of the people are actually qualified, about 50% are mediocre and could be replaced by anyone else with six months training -- in fact, most of them have just that, notwithstanding their 'resume' --, and the other 30% are there simply because they are the wife/neighbor/cousin of some Indian in a position of authority back home. Again, given the excellent community organization amongst expat Indians, the unqualified "geniuses" manage to squeak by with a little -- or a lot of -- help from colleagues.

And, needless to say, given the huge numbers whenever India is involved, even 20% is a lot of people and you will clearly get some superstars from such a large pool.

I think thats true for every work force, not something limited to Indians. Now sure about the 30% figure though, I doubt if there is much nepotism as far as "skilled" migration is concerned.

It would be interesting to see how the US born Indians and Pakistanis compare though.

 

[Rusty]

That is true.

The fact is that Indian expats tend to be far better organized and help each other than do Pakistani expats. I remember a week after 9/11, when I was in New Jersey, the Indian community had already distributed newsletters telling people how to respond to discrimination, including legal hot-lines. It is also true that Indians tend to be far better clued in as to the importance of public relations and media image. Finally, there is no denying that Indians tend to place a lot of emphasis on education and professional occupations, as opposed to shop-keeping. Many Pakistani expats see migration as a goal in itself, rather than a stepping stone to better opportunities.

The flip side, which Indians will dispute and reject, but which is the dirty little, politically incorrect secret people don't say out loud, is that the overwhelming majority of newly arrived Indians in high tech jobs/management are there only due to connections. About 20% of the people are actually qualified, about 50% are mediocre and could be replaced by anyone else with six months training -- in fact, most of them have just that, notwithstanding their 'resume' --, and the other 30% are there simply because they are the wife/neighbor/cousin of some Indian in a position of authority back home. Again, given the excellent community organization amongst expat Indians, the unqualified "geniuses" manage to squeak by with a little -- or a lot of -- help from colleagues.

And, needless to say, given the huge numbers whenever India is involved, even 20% is a lot of people and you will clearly get some superstars from such a large pool.

Not only that but Sikhs have managed to ruin the Canadian immigration system. They find every loop hole they can to bring their entire village to Canada. In the 70s if you got Canadian citizenship then you were allowed to bring your family. Sikhs abused this so much that they Canadian government changed the law so you could only bring your Mother, Father, and siblings under 18 years old.
Even recently the government is cracking down on marriages, Sikhs used to marry to bring a guy or girl here, and then divorce them after they got a passport.

Like I said before, Sikhs have managed to game the system so much that illiterate peasants are now coming to Canada.

And this is ruining it for all the legitimate immigrants who now have to face 10x more hardships

 

[jatt+gutts]

^ i aint hater of pakistanis. pakistanis lag behind indians because of their mentality. they cant take loans and start a business as it against some cultural practise of their and they are satisfied whatever job they get and never try to move up the ladder. newly arrived indians first work as labourers in factories but within a year either start their own business or get some better paying job. pakistanis never take the stress. they usually liv in townhouses or apartments and never buy big detatched homes which indians does and these homes appreciates much more in value than apartments.

Not only that but Sikhs have managed to ruin the Canadian immigration system. They find every loop hole they can to bring their entire village to Canada. But in the 70s if you got Canadian citizenship then you were allowed to bring your family. Sikhs abused this so much that they Canadian government changed the law so you could only bring your Mother, Father, and siblings under 18 years old.
Even recently the government is cracking down on marriages, Sikhs used to marry to bring a guy or girl here, and then divorce them after they got a passport.

Like I said before, Sikhs have managed to game the system so much that illiterate peasants are now coming to Canada.

see if i respond to this then i will b called a pakistani hater. ist this what all other nationalities did. like chinese filipinos and everyone else. if you have income to support your exte4nded family then you can sponsor them. but you need to have enough net income. and if pakistanis didnt had that much income then what is it sikhs problem.

 

[Roybot]

Wow, you gave no link or documentations for that graph.
So I guess if I make up a graph about Indians then you would also have no choice but to believe it.

That graph is from Canadian census.

Pakistani-Canadians: Falling below the poverty line | DAWN.COM

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

^ i aint hater of pakistanis. pakistanis lag behind indians because of their mentality. they cant take loans and start a business as it against some cultural practise of their and they are satisfied whatever job they get and never try to move up the ladder. newly arrived indians first work as labourers in factories but within a year either start their own business or get some better paying job. pakistanis never take the stress. they usually liv in townhouses or apartments and never buy big detatched homes which indians does and these homes appreciates much more in value than apartments.

Pakistanis have the highest rate of house ownership.... dnt embarass urself further... though we know how intelligent u are.

see if i respond to this then i will b called a pakistani hater. ist this what all other nationalities did. like chinese filipinos and everyone else. if you have income to support your exte4nded family then you can sponsor them. but you need to have enough net income. and if pakistanis didnt had that much income then what is it sikhs problem.

And ur pulling out these facts from ur back ............pocket?

 

[Rusty]

^ i aint hater of pakistanis. pakistanis lag behind indians because of their mentality. they cant take loans and start a business as it against some cultural practise of their and they are satisfied whatever job they get and never try to move up the ladder. newly arrived indians first work as labourers in factories but within a year either start their own business or get some better paying job. pakistanis never take the stress. they usually liv in townhouses or apartments and never buy big detatched homes which indians does and these homes appreciates much more in value than apartments.



see if i respond to this then i will b called a pakistani hater. ist this what all other nationalities did. like chinese filipinos and everyone else. if you have income to support your exte4nded family then you can sponsor them. but you need to have enough net income. and if pakistanis didnt had that much income then what is it sikhs problem.

what you said was so retarded that I think I lost 3 IQ points just by reading it.

And it is clear that you are a massive troll and just by talking to you my intelligence will drop down to your level.

So for the sake of everyone involved I will just report your posts and let the mods deal with you

 

[jetti]

That is true.


The flip side, which Indians will dispute and reject, but which is the dirty little, politically incorrect secret people don't say out loud, is that the overwhelming majority of newly arrived Indians in high tech jobs/management are there only due to connections. About 20% of the people are actually qualified, about 50% are mediocre and could be replaced by anyone else with six months training -- in fact, most of them have just that, notwithstanding their 'resume' --, and the other 30% are there simply because they are the wife/neighbor/cousin of some Indian in a position of authority back home. Again, given the excellent community organization amongst expat Indians, the unqualified "geniuses" manage to squeak by with a little -- or a lot of -- help from colleagues.
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Ias you rightly expected I totlaly disagree. the people who may migrate due to connections will be the lower income people primarily thru family.
The IT and professional crowd cannot come thru connections because of free market and only the deserving can surviveand no one runs a business for charity. If you say that an Indian company like Infosys or Wipro hires many indians is the connection then yes, the resource pool in India is large.
There are instances whenpeople have gotten fake certs to enter US. BUt that practise was rampant in the late 90s early 2000 IT boom when a multitude ot IT coaching centres used to offer dubioius classes and send people for Y2K projects. this is the cyber coolie crowd tht people talk about. Even among this crowd when the bust happened , most were weeded out and came back to india. however many did manage to stay on and thats their smartness / luck.
However it is impossible to migrate thru connections in a professional job.

Not only that but Sikhs have managed to ruin the Canadian immigration system. They find every loop hole they can to bring their entire village to Canada. In the 70s if you got Canadian citizenship then you were allowed to bring your family. Sikhs abused this so much that they Canadian government changed the law so you could only bring your Mother, Father, and siblings under 18 years old.
Even recently the government is cracking down on marriages, Sikhs used to marry to bring a guy or girl here, and then divorce them after they got a passport.

Like I said before, Sikhs have managed to game the system so much that illiterate peasants are now coming to Canada.

And this is ruining it for all the legitimate immigrants who now have to face 10x more hardships

Likewise with Paksitanis in the UK. so its nothing new.

 

[jatt+gutts]

Pakistanis have the highest rate of house ownership.... dnt embarass urself further... though we know how intelligent u are.




And ur pulling out these facts from ur back ............pocket?

highest rate of home ownership and pakistanis ? lol . you pakistanis have a big mouth. here i humiliate you again. these facts are ***** slap on your face

http://area148.com/cms/index.php/so...grants-to-canada-report-highest-poverty-rates

Because of lower wages,the Pakistan-born immigrants reported as one of the lowest home-ownership rates. Only 55 per cent of Pakistan-born immigrants reported owning their homes. In comparison,75 per cent of the India-born immigrants owned their homes. At the same time,while only 12 per cent of the India- and Philippines-born immigrants had never worked in the past,22 per cent of the Pakistan-born immigrants in Canada reported never being in the workforce.

 

[Developereo]

I think thats true for every work force, not something limited to Indians. Now sure about the 30% figure though, I doubt if there is much nepotism as far as "skilled" migration is concerned.

You are right that the numbers are probably similar for all "skilled" groups, although I doubt the nepotism level would be as high for other groups, simply because they just don't have the huge numbers to sustain such dead weight. My main point was to dispel the myth of the Indian "highly skilled" migrants.

It would be interesting to see how the US born Indians and Pakistanis compare though.

Like I wrote, Indians do tend to place greater emphasis on education, so Indians (and Chinese and Jews) would tend to do better. But the disparity would not be as wide as the overall numbers would suggest. That divergence tends to be due to the recent influx of high-tech migrants. Prior to that, most of the Indian migrants to the US were the "patel motel" type.

Not only that but Sikhs have managed to ruin the Canadian immigration system.

Family migration is abused by many groups -- the most famous examples in the US tend to be Mexicans and Filipinos.

However, when it comes to "skilled" migration, Indians are probably the best manipulators of the system. There are trivially easy ways to fool the US H1-B system and to get a green card. And, of course, the whole charade of 'proving' there are no qualified local candidates so you can justify migrant workers is a by-the-book recipe.

 

[jatt+gutts]

The difference in wages,home-ownership rates,and employment rates between immigrants from India and Pakistan extend beyond the economic spheres. For instance,Pakistani-born immigrants live in large-sized families. Whereas only 13 per cent of India-born immigrants live in households of five persons or more,44 per cent of the Pakistan-born immigrants live in households with five or more people. Given the lower wages,high unemployment rates and rental units,Pakistan-born immigrants experience severe crowding at homes where the number of residents per room is perhaps the highest owing to the large family sizes

 

[Developereo]

However it is impossible to migrate thru connections in a professional job.

I am talking about the last few years in companies like IBM and Accenture. We had people who literally would not pass a freshman level class in computer science or economics. Yet they had managed to get a transfer from IBM India and Accenture India to come to Western countries as 'experts'. I had to explain to one such IBM "expert" the difference between function parameters and return values. We had another database "expert" who always needed everything explained to him several times and couldn't get any work done by himself unless he "consulted" his company first. Plenty more examples...