Panipat (film) 2019 – A Stark Reminder to The Muslims of Hindustan About Their Betrayal

[TheGreatMaratha]

We accept that bro and yes we Jats didn't sided with Marathas because they were as tyrant as Abdalis. There are stories from our elders where Marthas demanded grain and food as a supply to the army where our region was hit with the drought so to fight Abdali. Also Mughals lobbied marthas so they can rule delhi while we wanted to rule it. I know we are not innocent either so i will share few reason why we didn't help-

Jats under Raja Suraj Mal : Jats were ready to help marathas , later they got back to Bharatpur due to 2 reasons :

1. There was an argument between sadashivrao Bhau and Jat Raja Surajmal , Sadashiv Bhau being Brahmin and brother of Peshwa did not wanted Jat Raja to set equivalent to him but Raja did so , this angered Sadashiv Bhau and he scolded Jat Raja for that , Raja felt being insult so he left .

2. And secondly Jats wanted to rule Delhi but marathas did not accepted this they wanted to place Mughal emperor Shah Alam II on the Throne of Delhi.

Despite this after the end of battle of Panipat the Jat Raja give refuge to all the people who came after Panipat to his Kingdom he gave them necessary your objects like food and clothes , provided them with doctors and he kept Maratha womens including wife of Sadashiv Rao Parvati Bai and other womens of Maratha Sardar in his fort . He also served for injured soldiers and his wife Maharani Kishori Bai personally escorted Parvati Bai and other women to Maratha borders .

Rajputs ( states of Jaipur and Jodhpur ) : Actually there was so much hate for Marathas among Rajput as they ask them to pay Chauth which they never wanted to pay and also in because Rajputs sided in Mughals initially so Maratha considered them less friendly . But they thought that now Marathas are weak and it is time for them to carve out their independent Empires so so they decided not to support Marathas but one good thing that it was they isn't supported Abdali as well as they knew that these Afghan will destroy all Hindus including them . they gave a lot of money and food articles for man and cattle to Marathas and provided them with insignificant number of men .

I am sorry for what my ancestors did if that's any consolation. Suraj Mal did a great job when he gave refuge to unarmed Maratha civilians after war. I think there are still Marathas in Haryana who are descendants of them called Ror Marathas. Marathas had a flawed foreign policy that's for sure before the battle. They should have actually heeded the advice of the locals but I think Sadashivrao had a lot of ego. If it was Raghunathrao or Malharrao Holkar, maybe the Jats would have fought alongside the Marathas.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

How about honor killing and feudalism that is very much part of current Pakistan ??

The sooner they're gone the better. If India sincerely seeks progress for the subcontinent, India should refrain from covertly supporting the likes of PML-N and JUIF and others whose cohorts sustain corruption, nepotism and feudalism in our land.

India actually fears a progressive free Pakistan, some subtle hints of which we see under IK. Hence India will fight tooth and nail in hybrid war to destroy IK.

 

[TheGreatMaratha]

Hang on I didn't actually say Hindus are "violent" as a general trait so please don't put words in my mouth. I criticised caste, ignorance in some Indian villages leading to HUMAN SACRIFICE (it does still happen due to some typical witchcraft b.s...you're welcome to confirm via google) and past war crimes by medieval Hindu rulers including marathas. I also criticise Hindutva as an extreme perversion of Hinduism that fosters violence against minorities and other perceived threats to Hindu dominance. But I don't believe for a second that Hindus in general are somehow prone to violence. Why would I insult millions of Pakistanis in such a way?

I'm a local Indian living in Maharashtra and I have never heard of any human sacrifice. Maybe it's just that I belong to Marathi culture I don't know. I agree war crimes were done by both Hindus and Muslims but it doesn't mean we should support that just because we belong to the same category of religion?
And I'm sure there is witchcraft in Pakistani villages as well. Guess what? Most people who do those things are illiterate and superstitious. You have valid criticism of caste system and if you look at modern India, there is very less influence of caste system. In fact, lower castes are given reservations in government to uplift them and because we the common people don't get into good universities just because lower castes have a few seats reserved for them. I scored 83% but a guy who has got 65% just because he belongs to Dalit caste will get into a better university than me. So our government is trying its best to uplift the backward classes. There is a lot of debate in India about reservation and there is a lot of politics around it as well.

 

[SIPRA]

But isn't that a classic case of Stockholme Syndrome then?

Well. I have not read psychology; so I can't answer that question.

Ok I'll give an example. Suppose, Pashtuns invade Pakistan and loot Pakistan. India goes to war against Afghanistan. India loses. India hasn't looted anything from Pakistan but lost the war. Afterwards, Afghanistan goes back. Is it really logical for Pakistan then to treat Afghanistanis as heroes just because they beat India and even though they looted Pakistan?

The problem is that you are framing a modern day example, which cannot really reflect the medieval proceedings. You have to realize that in those days, people thought very differently. Their mindset, as well as the information available, whether Hindus, Muslims or Sikhs, was very different.

As I said in my earlier post that associations with historical personas are psychological and largely imaginary. Pakistanis, who show reverence to Abdali, don't take him as Afghani or Pashtun, but as a Muslim, who protected them from the Hindu Marhattas. Here ethnicity is of no account. Here, it is also not of importance that what were the real motives of Abdali. The important is the perception of the people.

Will you consider Britishers as angels? Why don't you have missiles after Britishers who occupied both India and Pakistan?

Well. Because most of the Pakistanis don't consider Ghaznavi, Ghori and Abdali, as "invaders". In fact, they belonged to the same area. All three were born in modern day Afghanistan, in the Indus valley. They attacked and captured adjoining lands, as any powerful ancient ruler/conqueror would do. Nothing special. They generally executed wars, in accordance with the customs and norms of those days.

A "Mountbatten missile" wouldn't be a bad idea. Then again, certain Indians quite liked certain Mountbatten family members.

I don't agree; because it was Nehru's Missile, which was used as a standoff weapon, against Mountbatten family, and not otherwise; albeit with the consent of Lord Mountbatten.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

I don't agree; because it was Nehru's Missile, which was used as a standoff weapon, against Mountbatten family, and not otherwise; albeit with the consent of Lord Mountbatten.

Sir this counts as your genius post for the week. I expect nothing of substance from you now until next Sunday

 

[Javad]

History is so corrupted that you can neither believe the indian version or the afghan version on Ahmad Shah Abdali. My grand grand- grand- grand father was a prominent Wazir of Ahmad Shah Abdali and was leading some of the forces in war against Marathas in the third battle of Panipat. Whether he and Abdali were cruel or reasonable ...only god knows!!

I hate to say it but every side lie to embellish history to their own favour. Why waste our time on useless discussion that only leads to more hate ..why not find common ground to solve problems in South Asia???!!!

 

[Sam.]

I am sorry for what my ancestors did if that's any consolation. Suraj Mal did a great job when he gave refuge to unarmed Maratha civilians after war. I think there are still Marathas in Haryana who are descendants of them called Ror Marathas. Marathas had a flawed foreign policy that's for sure before the battle. They should have actually heeded the advice of the locals but I think Sadashivrao had a lot of ego. If it was Raghunathrao or Malharrao Holkar, maybe the Jats would have fought alongside the Marathas.

Yes but they have adopted our way of life and culture and only maratha thing they have is surname.

Enjoy.

However if you really want to know the truth then ror maratha is a lie and if you wish i can enlighten you as it is just political gimmick to divide Jats for few votes.

 

[SIPRA]

History is so corrupted that you can neither believe the indian version or the afghan version on Ahmad Shah Abdali. My grand grand- grand- grand father was a prominent Wazir of Ahmad Shah Abdali and was leading some of the forces in war against Marathas in the third battle of Panipat. Whether he and Abdali were cruel or reasonable ...only god knows!!

I hate to say it but every side lie to embellish history to their own favour. Why waste our time on useless discussion that only leads to more hate ..why not find common ground to solve problems in South Asia???!!!

Excellent post. Appreciate. You should write more frequently.

 

[Javad]

Excellent post. Appreciate.

Thanks

 

[TheGreatMaratha]

Yes but they have adopted our way of life and culture and only maratha thing they have is surname.

Enjoy.

However if you really want to know the truth then ror maratha is a lie and if you wish i can enlighten you as it is just political gimmick to divide Jats for few votes.

It's not a lie. There are Baloch Marathas as well. You can research on them.

 

[Jobless Jack]

Just saying that the Marathas were humiliated in this battle IRL. How is the RSS backed bollywood going to show this in the movie ? is Sunny doel ready to break a few pipes ?

 

[PakSword]

Muslims then did not care about modern sensibilities.

Now if I ask you to destroy a temple - you will sing ... but our kanstituson, Islam gives them right to do bla bla.

No it does not. Pagans and polytheists are NOT people of the book. If you don't destroy temples at least have the decency to convert them into Masjids or schools etc. and make the Hindus and Sikhs of your nation to either accept Islam or leave.

islamic rulers in India became soft - Hindus and Buddhists and Sikhs gave them gifts and even their own girls and plotted. When Islamic rule became weak they pounced.

Nopes.

https://archive.islamonline.net/?p=1259

 

[TheGreatMaratha]

Marathas attacked and butchered Hindus as well *(see below). They raided, raped and looted Hindu monasteries like Srinegeri Shankaracharya. The myth of them as some kind of Hindu and thereby Indian nationalists is a modern invention to try and give some kind of legitimacy to the artificial construction that is the modern day Republic of India. No political entity called India has ever existed in human history, and ironically Indians including those present here are mocking Punjabis about Abdali, willfully ignoring that if their Hindu ancestors were non-Marathi, they too were probably looted, raped and massacred by their "holy" Marathas.

*"In the Maharashtra Purana, a poem in Bengali written by Gangaram, the poet describes the destruction caused by the raiders (Marathas) in great detail:
This time none escaped,
Brahmanas, and Vaisnavas, Sannyasis, and householders,
all had the same fate, and cows were massacred along with men"

https://scroll.in/article/776978/forgotten-indian-history-the-brutal-maratha-invasions-of-bengal

"The less said about Hindu unity against Muslims after the death of Aurangzeb the better. The fact is that the Marathas extorted the Rajput kingdoms mercilessly. There was such nastiness between them that the Rajputs actually massacred the Maratha soldiers who were occupying their city. In December 1750, Jaipur’s Maharaja Ishwari Singh committed suicide (getting himself bitten by a cobra) because he was unable to pay the Marathas.

Sir Jadunath writes that “on 10 January, some 4,000 Marathas entered Jaipur… (and) despising the helpless condition of a king propped up by their arms, seemed to have behaved towards Jaipur as a city taken by storm. Suddenly the pent-up hatred of the Rajputs burst forth; a riot broke out at noon, and the citizens attacked the unsuspecting Marathas. For nine hours slaughter and pillage raged.”

It is this precision and this clarity that makes us open our eyes to the world as it was in that period. Any notion that we have of Muslim oppression and Hindu liberation goes out of the window on reading this work. The Marathas campaigned for one thing alone, and that was called Chauth. It was a fourth of all the revenue that a kingdom produced."

https://www.thehindu.com/books/seeing-the-world-as-it-was/article24591915.ece

Good that you brought this up about the Maratha desecration of Srinegiri Sankaracharya. I researched about that and it was actually a mistake. There were a few Pindaris in Maratha army who desecrated the temple but there weren't any explicit orders to desecrate it. In fact, the Maratha king at that time immediately apologized to the Hindu guru was was managing the temple. So it was a mistake. If the state had authorized it, the Maratha king wouldn't have apologized. A few stray elements from the army did it and I think they were punished as well.

 

[Kabira]

Just saying that the Marathas were humiliated in this battle IRL. How is the RSS backed bollywood going to show this in the movie ? is Sunny doel ready to break a few pipes ?

It looks like RSS are blaming some Afghan/pashtun that settled in UP for defeat. How UP pashtuns siding with Abdali is betrayal? RSS/hindutvas history is retarded as ****.

 

[Jobless Jack]

It looks like RSS are blaming some Afghan/pashtun that settled in UP for defeat. How pashtuns siding with Abdali is betrayal? RSS/hindutvas history is retarded as ****.

err it is mainly bengali muslims are mainly settled in the east of the India. Historically and in the present.

maybe a few pashtun settlers but too few to make a weight in a deciecive battle