PakPositivism: How to manage Discourse for PakPosters on PDF!!!

[Joe Shearer]

A code, a code, my

Gentlemen...please

If you want to understand the "Indian" mindset, the first thing you should do is stop thinking in binaries: an us versus them mindset can never help you understand the real world issues from the other's perspective. This is what creates the echo chamber that we're all now finding in this forum. On both sides, of course.

I myself have a habit of binary thinking: lumping all Indians I dislike with the catch-all word: 'Sanghis'. However I know it's not the correct approach: despite the incredible 2014 and 2019 election results, I am aware not all Indians think alike.

Pakistan is an artificial villain created by Indian right-wing media, Bollywood, and the imagination of social media trolls with vested interests. It surely is a blockbuster formula to be used everytime there's an Indian elections. But every formula has an expiry date: from what I am seeing in recent trends, there is growing weariness even in India on the subject of Pakistan-bashing. Now China is the new imaginary enemy.

Now these are the lumpen masses, the hoi polloi of India who were irrelevant for most years of India's founding. At least Congress never cared about their opinions much. They aren't capable of much, and even though their stupid jahill leader Modi is in charge, we know even when all of them get together, they will not amount to much. In fact, Pakistan has nothing to worry as long as the low IQ leaders of BJP are running the show. They might have found a successful formula for governing this bunch of idiots, but they know next to nothing of how to build something of value. Only Congress can do that: only Congress has ever done that. All the development seen in India today is the result of bright minds in Congress party and their great visions for the country. From Pandit Nehru's five-year plans to Indira Gandhi's Green and White Revolutions, to P.V. Narasimha Rao's economic liberalization policies, and Dr. Manmohan Singh's US-centric business policy tilt which has helped Indian economy. Even Rahul Gandhi had come with a brilliant idea: the MNREGA scheme which guarantees employment and livelihood to rural and semi-urban poor. That scheme has been a roaring success, lifting tens of millions of people out of deep poverty.

In the end, it's only the Congress that has left any tangible impact on the lives of Indians. Not that we receive thanks in return. Narendra Modi and BJP are only capable of destruction of livelihoods: from the stupid demonetization scheme to a flawed GST structure to such shoddy planning for COVID-19 impact (India has 1 million+ cases already soon to become no.1). They just don't have the capacity to think through the real problems.

There are many sane and reasonable Indians who genuinely want peaceful coexistence with Pakistan. We want diplomatic relations, free trade, cultural ties, visa-free travels, and the live performances of Rahat Fateh Ali Khan.

But even sane people have their limits: you cannot expect to burn the Indian flag and expect most sane liberals in India to be OK with that. Although, I personally will have no problem because I have myself burned the Indian flag as a Communist student leader in my youth. Even someone like me who gets called anti-national by his fellow Indians (yesterday, @Joe Shearer disappointed me with his lack of conviction for what I thought was our common cause), has his limits. I draw the line at insults towards Mahatma Gandhi.

That's not going to change. Every person has their own limits of how much you can push them. Even you Pakistanis do: everyone does.

Leave alone Indians, you want to deal with any foreigner, you must know the kind of things that should be said before them, and the topics that are best left alone. You don't really need to understand the mindset of the other person: you should be very clear about your own shortcomings.

Also never be too judgmental. Trust me, you follow these ideas and suggestions. It will change your lives in relation to dealings with Indians, Sri Lankans, Thai, Japanese, insert whatever nationality. It's never a complicated thing to understand the other person.

Now THAT was a great post!

Pleasure reading it.

 

[fitpOsitive]

My very dear Paks,

Changing world..fast and nearing accute conflicts...be it in Geopolitics/Geoeconomics or Technology.

We need to learn to be eachothers strength and build upon it.

Although, heated debates among Paks is only natural thing, however, it is imperative not to forget that We all are Paks!

Since, the world is shapping itself for new possible Form... we must also learn to adopt to its emerging vectors.

Take for example this 25yrs Sino-Iranian StrategicDeal ... of course, it has far reaching effects... India out...China in! CPEC will transform further.

Or the Liberation of some parts of IndianOccupiedLadakh by the PLA... and its subsequence equations...

Or the rising tensions in SouthChinaSea...

And of course, KhooniVirus and its devastation in loss of HumanLives and destruction of GlobalEconomy.

We need to up our game in discourse here on PDF. Doing the same old, same old is neither mentally challenging nor is fun anymore.

Perhaps, it is important that we Change!

Regarding the good Indians...

I for one support their full presence here...otherwise, we won't be able to know/learn their thinking...even though here on PDF the most of good Indians are rather restrained in their 'thinking' ...unlike BRF or other Indian Fora....

They do try to derail or mock but taking their bait should be passé now.

Please, that DeityCow is Mother to Indians and the byproduct of this Deity is sacred for the good Indians.

By mocking them about DeityCowGifts ... we don't gain anything.

Instead we can choose to show respect and either remain quiet about it or write in encouraging, respectful manner...so that we don't hurt the feelings of the Most Indians here on PDF!

Same goes for DeityMonkey or DeityElephant or anyohter deities that the good Indians worship... we can choose not to comment but show respect.

Our focus must remain PakKashmiris in IoJK and then Muslims of MaqboozaHindustan... we must keep standing up for their rights or voice concerns/outrage at IndianStateSponsored Violence against Muslims in India or Killing of PakKashmiris.

Of course, we need to protect OurIslamic and Ancient Heritage and not allow the good Indians with day-time robbery in their quest for Supremecy!

And that brings us to the question of:

• How Does an Indian mind works?

• Do we fully understand Indianness?

• Can we try to see things from their perspective to be able to better counter it?

• How can we disect this ObssessiveCompulsiveness to be SuperPower by the good Indians?

Understanding the Nemesis is Key to Victory!

Yes, Indians are Incorrigible.... and we just cann't change that.

But we can try to up our game so to speak and try to engage Indians in a different manner...

These are subjects we can try to understand and implement together.

So allow me to invite you, Paks, and let us discuss it among ourselves whether we can come up with a better modus operandi to deal/engage with the good Indians here on PDF...that we might understand Indianness!

Thankyou!!!

Mangus

@masterchief_mirza @Ace of Spades @Areesh @DESERT FIGHTER @newb3e @Verve @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @Clutch @Pandora @N.Siddiqui @Chakar The Great @Pakistan First @PAKISTANFOREVER @Max @Rafi @SIPRA Kindly, tag other PakPosters, please.

@jaibi @Foxtrot Alpha @The Eagle @LeGenD @PakSword @BHarwana @Moonlight PakBrothers... if you kindly, let this thread run in Member's section... and patrol it every now and then... would be great help!

You are a magical writer.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

@peagle PakBrother mine, allow me to thankyou... good Contextualising and Framing!

Solutions Space we can park for now, perhaps?

First the Disection of India's End Game as @Ace of Spades correctly pointed out.

The Idea is simple: How to Build PakPositivism against the Indian Onsluaght of past 73yrs?

Once again, I invite PakPosters here to Disect Indian End Game... rationally, detached and validating it through available evidence.

As this person has stated many a times The GeoContrust of Imperial Enterprise aka 'India' had/has two Fundamental Functions:

1. Keep Pakistan Down
2. Keep China Out

Quaid e Azam R.A. has made is CrystalClear for us Paks:

Indians are Incorrigible!

Allama Iqbal R.A. has left us with a Complete Framework of Rejuvenation of PakState and PakSociety.

Of course, we are not going to succeed against Indianness... with logic or otherwise. Lost Cause... hence, Our Response needs PakPositivism in its Framing of the World and India.

What does appear, @peagle , that Creation of an Enemy is Indian Existential Need, as you have pointed out... however, there is also as deep subconcious fear ingrained within their Gangetic Minds... Fear of the Conquest from the West i.e Pakistan now being the InheritorState of all perivous Islamic Ruling Dynasties of Hindustan and of course, IVC.

So using PakistanFear/Hate as glue to keep the GeoConstruct together and forge a 'national' indentity based on Hate is understandable... since, deep hate is a powerful emotion!

If we employ our Collective PakBrains and build a Logical Framework of the IndianEndGame .... then everything falls into place... including OurResponse to it!


What is India's End Game?


Mangus

PS. India has NEVER fought a War since British left... all it has done so far is Battles. War is a Different Beast.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Gentlemen...please

If you want to understand the "Indian" mindset, the first thing you should do is stop thinking in binaries: an us versus them mindset can never help you understand the real world issues from the other's perspective. This is what creates the echo chamber that we're all now finding in this forum. On both sides, of course.

I myself have a habit of binary thinking: lumping all Indians I dislike with the catch-all word: 'Sanghis'. However I know it's not the correct approach: despite the incredible 2014 and 2019 election results, I am aware not all Indians think alike.

Pakistan is an artificial villain created by Indian right-wing media, Bollywood, and the imagination of social media trolls with vested interests. It surely is a blockbuster formula to be used everytime there's an Indian elections. But every formula has an expiry date: from what I am seeing in recent trends, there is growing weariness even in India on the subject of Pakistan-bashing. Now China is the new imaginary enemy.

Now these are the lumpen masses, the hoi polloi of India who were irrelevant for most years of India's founding. At least Congress never cared about their opinions much. They aren't capable of much, and even though their stupid jahill leader Modi is in charge, we know even when all of them get together, they will not amount to much. In fact, Pakistan has nothing to worry as long as the low IQ leaders of BJP are running the show. They might have found a successful formula for governing this bunch of idiots, but they know next to nothing of how to build something of value. Only Congress can do that: only Congress has ever done that. All the development seen in India today is the result of bright minds in Congress party and their great visions for the country. From Pandit Nehru's five-year plans to Indira Gandhi's Green and White Revolutions, to P.V. Narasimha Rao's economic liberalization policies, and Dr. Manmohan Singh's US-centric business policy tilt which has helped Indian economy. Even Rahul Gandhi had come with a brilliant idea: the MNREGA scheme which guarantees employment and livelihood to rural and semi-urban poor. That scheme has been a roaring success, lifting tens of millions of people out of deep poverty.

In the end, it's only the Congress that has left any tangible impact on the lives of Indians. Not that we receive thanks in return. Narendra Modi and BJP are only capable of destruction of livelihoods: from the stupid demonetization scheme to a flawed GST structure to such shoddy planning for COVID-19 impact (India has 1 million+ cases already soon to become no.1). They just don't have the capacity to think through the real problems.

There are many sane and reasonable Indians who genuinely want peaceful coexistence with Pakistan. We want diplomatic relations, free trade, cultural ties, visa-free travels, and the live performances of Rahat Fateh Ali Khan.

But even sane people have their limits: you cannot expect to burn the Indian flag and expect most sane liberals in India to be OK with that. Although, I personally will have no problem because I have myself burned the Indian flag as a Communist student leader in my youth. Even someone like me who gets called anti-national by his fellow Indians (yesterday, @Joe Shearer disappointed me with his lack of conviction for what I thought was our common cause), has his limits. I draw the line at insults towards Mahatma Gandhi.

That's not going to change. Every person has their own limits of how much you can push them. Even you Pakistanis do: everyone does.

Leave alone Indians, you want to deal with any foreigner, you must know the kind of things that should be said before them, and the topics that are best left alone. You don't really need to understand the mindset of the other person: you should be very clear about your own shortcomings.

Also never be too judgmental. Trust me, you follow these ideas and suggestions. It will change your lives in relation to dealings with Indians, Sri Lankans, Thai, Japanese, insert whatever nationality. It's never a complicated thing to understand the other person.

It's worth noting that Imran Khan extended a hand of cooperation as soon as he was elected PM.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.time...-lok-sabha-polls/amp_articleshow/66332077.cms

He - on multiple occasions - offered cooperation on issues of terrorism, security of both nations, and resolution of the kashmir issue.

For his efforts, he has been reviled and demonised in Indian media. At best, Indians regard him as incompetent, at worst, he seems to be the devil incarnate.

Here is what he didn't do. He didn't launch an airstrike on questionable intelligence against a questionable target in his neighbour's territory. He didn't cancel transborder bus and rail services. He didn't suspend arts, business and social cooperation between India and Pakistan. He did not cancel sports fixtures and try to exclude his neighbour from international sports events in Pakistan. He didn't promise to "isolate" his neighbour politically.

My friend, Pakistani leadership's overtures and actions speak for themselves, while Hindustan has become gripped irreversibly by an obsession of its own making. It is quite simply a pathological and deluded state of mind that Delhi finds itself succumbing to. Delhi had a five year plan in place before Pulwama. This plan intended to cripple Pakistan, hence Khan's overtures - inconvenient as they were for Hindustan - fell on deaf ears. Delhi pushed ahead with plan A. The carefully sequenced events from Pulwama to today were Delhi's intention all along. It is not Khan's or pdf's or civil society's or anyone else's peace overtures that have saved Pakistan from a crippling blow in the last two years. On the contrary. It is the steadfast resolve of Pakistan and Pakistanis, from the man on the street to the f-16 pilot to the PM himself that has kept Pakistan steady. Begging Modi for peace didn't save us from missile strikes, airstrikes, political isolation or financial ruin (although this last one may yet prove unavoidable).

Windows of opportunity were always there to choose a path towards peace. Modi is on a completely different page to either you or me. He has a plan and like the stubborn asss that he is, he will persist until one of our nations or both of them are destroyed. He doesn't understand statecraft or diplomacy or compromise. He is a true extremist. As others on this thread have pointed out, his extremism - by coincidence - merges with a long-term strategic objective of numerous powerful foreign states who have their own post-colonial plans for Asia.

Like a kid in a candy store, his eyes light up when Russia or France or USA or Japan offer him new toys to push through their agenda. Extremists - by their very nature - are extremely easy to recruit for malevolent designs. The thought experiments of you or I won't alter this manifest destiny that Delhi has chosen for your people. All that Pakistan can do now is be ready. As we always have been.

 

[El Sidd]

You cannot manage, control or mold Pakistanis.

These are free people of Jinnah.

Fascists asking for sarvarkar code are spreading hindutva by their intellectual dishonesty

 

[Shantanu_Left]

A code, a code, my


Now THAT was a great post!

Pleasure reading it.

It's never personal. But I enjoy reading your posts too. But I have "turned rogue" now with respect to our remaining Indian posters. However I always have the best interests of our country at heart.

The current dispensation in India needs to be burned down to the ground. But I understand this is just a casual forum for deep-thinking and analysis. Everyone wants to remain uninvolved due to personal reasons which I respect. Even the Pakistani poster with the Hafiz Saeed picture backed out.

Most battles in the real world are lonely. I am happy to chart my path, but I am happy for you as well. You make a great "Captain" for this bunch of misfits here.

It's worth noting that Imran Khan extended a hand of cooperation as soon as he was elected PM.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.time...-lok-sabha-polls/amp_articleshow/66332077.cms

He - on multiple occasions - offered cooperation on issues of terrorism, security of both nations, and resolution of the kashmir issue.

For his efforts, he has been reviled and demonised in Indian media. At best, Indians regard him as incompetent, at worst, he seems to be the devil incarnate.

Here is what he didn't do. He didn't launch an airstrike on questionable intelligence against a questionable target in his neighbour's territory. He didn't cancel transborder bus and rail services. He didn't suspend arts, business and social cooperation between India and Pakistan. He did not cancel sports fixtures and try to exclude his neighbour from international sports events in Pakistan. He didn't promise to "isolate" his neighbour politically.

I agree with you here. India's leadership stabbed Imran Khan in the back. He did make some excellent overtures towards India, and invited Navjot Singh Sidhu of Congress to his oath-taking ceremony. The Kartarpur Project was a very good iniative.

I was myself shocked (along with the entire Congress leadership) when Narendra Modi, Amit Shah, Bipin Rawat, and Ajit Doval pulled together the August 2019 coup on Jammu & Kashmir's basic identity. As someone with insignificant Kashmir ancestry (only 1/4), it hurt me personally although I may have interacted ZERO with any real Kashmiris except my Nani. It was a stab in the back. I was rooting for Mr. Imran Khan while he lambasted Modi at the UN General Assembly on Article 370 issue.

However that didn't achieve much. India's clout and prestige on the international stage (built by Congress party) is far too strong to be reversed by a statesman-like speech. But many sensible Indians did endorse Imran Khan as they did not like the treatment given to the Kashmiris.

Windows of opportunity were always there to choose a path towards peace. Modi is on a completely different page to either you or me. He has a plan and like the stubborn asss that he is, he will persist until one of our nations or both of them are destroyed. He doesn't understand statecraft or diplomacy or compromise. He is a true extremist. As others on this thread have pointed out, his extremism - by coincidence - merges with a long-term strategic objective of numerous powerful foreign states who have their own post-colonial plans for Asia.

Like a kid in a candy store, his eyes light up when Russia or France or USA or Japan offer him new toys to push through their agenda. Extremists - by their very nature - are extremely easy to recruit for malevolent designs. The thought experiments of you or I won't alter this manifest destiny that Delhi has chosen for your people. All that Pakistan can do now is be ready. As we always have been.

True. There's nothing an American Airlines/United passenger could have done when their airplane was hijacked by Mohammaed Atta and his merry band of rogues. It was their fate to have the airplane crashed on the Twin Towers buildings.

Fortunately, nation states are much bigger than that airplane analogy. There is presently no solution in sight and I don't blame Pakistan leadership from acting, or taking advantage of weakness in Delhi. It is our nation's fault for electing such stupid leaders.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I was myself shocked (along with the entire Congress leadership) when Narendra Modi, Amit Shah, Bipin Rawat, and Ajit Doval pulled together the August 2019 coup on Jammu & Kashmir's basic identity. As someone with insignificant Kashmir ancestry (only 1/4), it hurt me personally although I may have interacted ZERO with any real Kashmiris except my Nani. It was a stab in the back.

Upto here, I am in total agreement with you with the difference that I have a very large circle of Kashmiri friends. After their stab in the back, I am unable to face my friends. Being the kinds of people they are, they keep calling me and that is why, and how, we keep in touch.

India has NEVER fought a War since British left... all it has done so far is Battles. War is a Different Beast.

And the pot and the kettle are different beasts. That is why one shouldn't call the other black.

 

[Shantanu_Left]

Upto here, I am in total agreement with you with the difference that I have a very large circle of Kashmiri friends. After their stab in the back, I am unable to face my friends. Being the kinds of people they are, they keep calling me and that is why, and how, we keep in touch.



And the pot and the kettle are different beasts. That is why one shouldn't call the other black.

As I said we're in an airplane like AA/United that has been hijacked by the clones of Mohammed Atta. Before it crash-lands, someone needs to rescue the airplane's controls.

 

[Joe Shearer]

As this person has stated many a times The GeoContrust of Imperial Enterprise aka 'India' had/has two Fundamental Functions:

1. Keep Pakistan Down
2. Keep China Out

Quaid e Azam R.A. has made is CrystalClear for us Paks:

It naturally does not matter that he said nothing about either subject.

He didn't launch an airstrike on questionable intelligence against a questionable target in his neighbour's territory.

Again, it is difficult to visualise what might constitute a questionable target, or any other kind of target, in his neighbour's territory. It is difficult to understand the singular asymmetry of the Pakistani strategic vision, that justifies all the aggression and war-mongering of their nation on the grounds of an unresolved Kashmir problem, and pillories any retaliation as aggression.

He didn't cancel transborder bus and rail services.

I agree, that cancellation was petty.

He didn't suspend arts, business and social cooperation between India and Pakistan.

By the standards of the BJP, minor fleabites.

He did not cancel sports fixtures and try to exclude his neighbour from international sports events in Pakistan.

One more petty little-girlish reaction. And that is your chargesheet against our government? we have much worse tales to narrate.

It really seems that your kind of assuming victimhood hardly needs any substantial event to trigger off maudlin self-pity.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Gentlemen...please

If you want to understand the "Indian" mindset, the first thing you should do is stop thinking in binaries: an us versus them mindset can never help you understand the real world issues from the other's perspective. This is what creates the echo chamber that we're all now finding in this forum. On both sides, of course.

I myself have a habit of binary thinking: lumping all Indians I dislike with the catch-all word: 'Sanghis'. However I know it's not the correct approach: despite the incredible 2014 and 2019 election results, I am aware not all Indians think alike.

Pakistan is an artificial villain created by Indian right-wing media, Bollywood, and the imagination of social media trolls with vested interests. It surely is a blockbuster formula to be used everytime there's an Indian elections. But every formula has an expiry date: from what I am seeing in recent trends, there is growing weariness even in India on the subject of Pakistan-bashing. Now China is the new imaginary enemy.

Now these are the lumpen masses, the hoi polloi of India who were irrelevant for most years of India's founding. At least Congress never cared about their opinions much. They aren't capable of much, and even though their stupid jahill leader Modi is in charge, we know even when all of them get together, they will not amount to much. In fact, Pakistan has nothing to worry as long as the low IQ leaders of BJP are running the show. They might have found a successful formula for governing this bunch of idiots, but they know next to nothing of how to build something of value. Only Congress can do that: only Congress has ever done that. All the development seen in India today is the result of bright minds in Congress party and their great visions for the country. From Pandit Nehru's five-year plans to Indira Gandhi's Green and White Revolutions, to P.V. Narasimha Rao's economic liberalization policies, and Dr. Manmohan Singh's US-centric business policy tilt which has helped Indian economy. Even Rahul Gandhi had come with a brilliant idea: the MNREGA scheme which guarantees employment and livelihood to rural and semi-urban poor. That scheme has been a roaring success, lifting tens of millions of people out of deep poverty.

In the end, it's only the Congress that has left any tangible impact on the lives of Indians. Not that we receive thanks in return. Narendra Modi and BJP are only capable of destruction of livelihoods: from the stupid demonetization scheme to a flawed GST structure to such shoddy planning for COVID-19 impact (India has 1 million+ cases already soon to become no.1). They just don't have the capacity to think through the real problems.

There are many sane and reasonable Indians who genuinely want peaceful coexistence with Pakistan. We want diplomatic relations, free trade, cultural ties, visa-free travels, and the live performances of Rahat Fateh Ali Khan.

But even sane people have their limits: you cannot expect to burn the Indian flag and expect most sane liberals in India to be OK with that. Although, I personally will have no problem because I have myself burned the Indian flag as a Communist student leader in my youth. Even someone like me who gets called anti-national by his fellow Indians (yesterday, @Joe Shearer disappointed me with his lack of conviction for what I thought was our common cause), has his limits. I draw the line at insults towards Mahatma Gandhi.

That's not going to change. Every person has their own limits of how much you can push them. Even you Pakistanis do: everyone does.

Leave alone Indians, you want to deal with any foreigner, you must know the kind of things that should be said before them, and the topics that are best left alone. You don't really need to understand the mindset of the other person: you should be very clear about your own shortcomings.

Also never be too judgmental. Trust me, you follow these ideas and suggestions. It will change your lives in relation to dealings with Indians, Sri Lankans, Thai, Japanese, insert whatever nationality. It's never a complicated thing to understand the other person.

Your actions are disconnected from your words.

All Indian Hindus are enemies of Pakistan and Islam. Some of you are open about it, and others are hidden, but you all have the same thoughts.

No longer are Pakistanis going to be held hostage by our own mehmandari (hospitality) in trying to bridge gaps and find common ground because there aren't any.

Our Kashmir blood kin are suffering 72 years of brutal oppression and subjugation, Pakistani Punjabis and Muslim Jammu suffered organized genocide pogroms to eliminate our populations. All mostly done by secular Hindus screaming that they are not Godse type RSS goons, but you all are the same.

For the sake of Kashmiri/Pakistani children, the menace of Indian majoritarian terror must be ended now. We cannot push it on our succeeding generations.

If we die, then we die shuhada. Living as a slave under the boot of Hindu dominance is no longer acceptable to proud Muslims like us.

Those two-faced Gandhis and Nehrus who are responsible for the oppression of our people are also fair game.

@Musings @Morpheus @PAKISTANFOREVER @Verve @letsrock @masterchief_mirza

These Indians are again trying to police our rights to speak our own minds, on our own forum.

They are not content by keeping 200 million Indian Muslims under their boot, and also Occupied Ksshmiris. Shameful.

 

[Arsalan 345]

Sometimes I criticise our policies but it doesn't mean that I can't defend our narrative. I love my country more than anything else and I will continue to defend our narrative.i only want more aggressive policy of Pak against India.

Yes it's true that most of us are unaware of real indian intentions.some still feel that India can't attack pakistan.some eyes are opened after balakot. Time to defend pakistani narrative at every forum whether this forum or other forum.also try your best to differentiate between terrorism and real freedom struggle.indian narrative on Kashmir is now widely accepted just because of betrayal of USA and our foreign office silence. You need aggressive policy,heated exchange of words is now common.we also need to change our narrative on Kashmir.stop asking for UN to intervene. Say openly that Kashmir is an integral part of pakistan.

After abrogation,rules aren't valid.silence of Pak government on abrogation is a success for India.we didn't even change our narrative.see nobody in the world cares about kashmir.india with it's trade and big market can lure anyone towards it's side.effective strategy to counter indian propaganda is a need of time.

There are lots of important things that we can do.we can reset our policy on kashmir.we can become more aggressive.I don't call indians cow or things like that because I read their comments to understand their mentality. People who are calling India weak are fools.threat assessment is necessary.you should always be ready.war with India is inevitable.if China attacks India,India might attack pakistan.wakhan corridor is very important for them.pakistani silence and weak foreign policy is hurting us badly.kindly don't feel insulted if they make fun of you just because you are pakistani.let them say whatever they want.your job is to highlight problems and defend our narrative.also gather as much intelligence as possible.learn cyber security and help pakistan.learn complex topics and if indians are available,learn from them.there is no shame. They are far ahead in different fields as compared to Pakistan so as a youth, it's your duty to at least match their level of expertise.try to defend pakistan on all fronts whether it's cyber security or intelligence gathering.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Consider it an obsessive-compulsive disorder...

Even a thief gets his way out if planned ahead...

Pak needs to plan hard for all eventualities...

Three stuffs are required for a good thing to happen: Zaman, Zemin and Dil (Language, words, conversation etc.)...

PDF is the cyber Dil...

"Only the paranoid survives" - Andy Grove, a Holocaust survivor and one of the founders of Intel Inc., the largest IC manufacturer in the world

 

[Joe Shearer]

All Indian Hindus are enemies of Pakistan and Islam.

Rubbish.

 

[peagle]

I would kindly request that everyone please keep emotions in check.

The idea of this thread is great, and would be lovely to explore it in a reasoned manner, rather then blanket judgements.

No topic or a person is out of bounds but please after your statement, present a reasoned arguement, why you believe your statement has value and then let the other person have their say.

Just a request from a brother, both sides. Thank you.

 

[newb3e]

Rubbish.

agree thats bs!

not all Hindu are enemy of Pakistan or Islam most want peaceful brotherly relations not just with Pakistan but Muslims living in India as well!

i visited Bombay when i was 9 or 10 years old and we were lost and one guy promised my mother "keh behn app fikar na karo may app ko app ki hotel tak chor keh auun ga" a hindu guy helping Pakistani Muslims i am 36 now and i still remember his gesture!