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"Pakistan's political framework does not represent an Islamic system. Their system is not Islamic"- Taliban Spokesperson Zabihullah Mujahid

Pakistan government should see that it has made friends with a wolf and not a cat. The only good wolf is a defeated wolf.






Still better than being slaves and worshippers of indian hindus and sikhs......... :azn:
Taliban’s spokesman criticized #Pakistan’s government. Zabihullah Mujahid said: Pakistan's political framework does not represent an Islamic system. Their system is not Islamic. Religion is not important to Pakistan’s government. Alarming news for Pakistan.








Agreed. Now can the Taliban and other afghans stop begging Pakistan for famine relief and take back their 10 million afghans residing in Pakistan too. 8-)
 
Taliban’s spokesman criticized #Pakistan’s government. Zabihullah Mujahid said: Pakistan's political framework does not represent an Islamic system. Their system is not Islamic. Religion is not important to Pakistan’s government. Alarming news for Pakistan.


I posted this before, the audacity when we are trying to prevent them starving to death...
The thing is no matter what Pak does we will never be appreciated by anyone, no one will come to help us...
 
Islamic system is what has already been stated in Quran which is based on people consultation in which regard democracy can be included. There is no detail information about what should be done since Islam should last long enough until the end of time and it should be flexible enough to go through time.

If we see the first Chalips, they use people consultation system and first Caliph Abu Bakar was elected after heat debate between Anshar clan and Quraish clan, then votings were made. You can look on Abu Bakar Biography written by famous Egyptian Historian, Muhammad Haikal

Democracy is more Islamic than Kingdomship ( Authoritarian system ) if we see that As-Syura verse

The 42nd Sura of Qur'an is named as Shura.[2] The 38th verse of that Sura declares shura to be the praiseworthy lifestyle of a successful believer. It states that Muslims should decide on their matters by consulting with each other. The Qur'an says:

"Those who hearken to their Lord, and establish regular Prayer; who (conduct) their affairs by mutual consultation among themselves; who spend out of what We bestow on them for Sustenance" [are praised] [3]



There should not be any compulsion in religion, then you cannot force women to wear hijab, woman should wear hijab for their God, not their Government. This is just one example

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It is more into Nation state if you look Madinah Charter but Muslim across The World should have brotherhood sentiment.

In Madinah Charter, the state is not even said as Islamic state

Muslim state should cooperate to other state, not making war like ISIS like LOL

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Madinah Charter


In the name of God, the Beneficent and the Merciful


(1) This is a prescript of Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم), the Prophet and Messenger of God (to operate) between the faithful and the followers of Islam from among the Quraish and the people of Madina and those who may be under them, may join them and take part in wars in their company.

(2) They shall constitute a separate political unit (Ummat) as distinguished from all the people (of the world).

(3) The emigrants from the Quraish shall be (responsible) for their own ward; and shall pay their blood-money in mutual collaboration and shall secure the release of their own prisoners by paying their ransom from themselves, so that the mutual dealings between the believers be in accordance with the principles of goodness and justice.

(4) And Banu ‘Awf shall be responsible for their own ward and shall pay their blood-money in mutual collaboration, and every group shall secure the release of its own prisoners by paying their ransom from themselves so that the dealings between the believers be in accordance with the principles of goodness and justice.

(5) And Banu Al-Harith-ibn-Khazraj shall be responsible for their own ward and shall pay their blood-money in mutual collaboration and every group shall secure the release of its own prisoners by paying their ransom from themselves, so that the dealings between the believers be in accordance with the principles of goodness and justice.

(6) And Banu Sa‘ida shall be responsible for their own ward, and shall pay their blood-money in mutual collaboration and every group shall secure the release of its own prisoners by paying their ransom from themselves, so that the dealings between the believers be in accordance with the principles of goodness and justice.

(7) And Banu Jusham shall be responsible for their own ward and shall pay their blood-money in mutual collaboration and every group shall secure the release of its own prisoners by paying their ransom so that the dealings between the believers be in accordance with the principles of goodness and justice.

(8) And Banu an-Najjar shall be responsible for their own ward and shall pay their blood-money in mutual collaboration and every group shall secure the release of its own prisoners by paying their ransom so that the dealings between the believers be in accordance with the principles of goodness and justice.

(9) And Banu ‘Amr-ibn-‘Awf shall be responsible for their own ward and shall pay their blood-money in mutual collaboration and every group shall secure the release of its own prisoners by paying their ransom, so that the dealings between the believers be in accordance with the principles of goodness and justice.

(10) And Banu-al-Nabit shall be responsible for their own ward and shall pay their blood-money in mutual collaboration and every group shall secure the release of its own prisoners by paying their ransom so that the dealings between the believers be in accordance with the principles of goodness and justice.

(11) And Banu-al-Aws shall be responsible for their own ward and shall pay their blood-money in mutual collaboration and every group shall secure the release of its own prisoners by paying their ransom, so that the dealings between the believers be in accordance with the principles of goodness and justice.

(12) (a) And the believers shall not leave any one, hard-pressed with debts, without affording him some relief, in order that the dealings between the believers be in accordance with the principles of goodness and justice. (b) Also no believer shall enter into a contract of clientage with one who is already in such a contract with another believer.

(13) And the hands of pious believers shall be raised against every such person as rises in rebellion or attempts to acquire anything by force or is guilty of any sin or excess or attempts to spread mischief among the believers ; their hands shall be raised all together against such a person, even if he be a son to any one of them.

(14) A Believer will not kill a Believer [in retaliation] for a non-Believer and will not aid a non-Believer against a Believer.

(15) The protection (dhimmah) of Allah is one, the least of them [i.e., the Believers] is entitled to grant protection (yujīr) that is binding for all of them. The Believers are each other’s allies (mawālī) to the exclusion of other people.

(16) And that those who will obey us among the Jews, will have help and equality. Neither shall they be oppressed nor will any help be given against them.

(17) And the peace of the believers shall be one. If there be any war in the way of God, no believer shall be under any peace (with the enemy) apart from other believers, unless it (this peace) be the same and equally binding on all.

(18) And all those detachments that will fight on our side will be relieved by turns.

(19) And the believers as a body shall take blood vengeance in the way of God.

(20) (a) And undoubtedly pious believers are the best and in the rightest course. (b) And that no associator (non-Muslim subject) shall give any protection to the life and property of a Quraishite, nor shall he come in the way of any believer in this matter.

(21) And if any one intentionally murders a believer, and it is proved, he shall be killed in retaliation, unless the heir of the murdered person be satisfied with blood-money. And all believers shall actually stand for this ordinance and nothing else shall be proper for them to do.

(22) And it shall not be lawful for any one, who has agreed to carry out the provisions laid down in this code and has affixed his faith in God and the Day of Judgment, to give help or protection to any murderer, and if he gives any help or protection to such a person, God‟s curse and wrath shall be on him on the Day of Resurrection, and no money or compensation shall be accepted from such a person.

(23) And that whenever you differ about anything, refer it to God and to Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم)

(24) And the Jews shall share with the believers the expenses of war so long as they fight in conjunction,

(25) And the Jews of Banu ‘Awf shall be considered as one community (Ummat) along with the believers—for the Jews their religion, and for the Muslims theirs, be one client or patron. But whoever does wrong or commits treachery brings evil only on himself and his household.

(26) And the Jews of Banu-an-Najjar shall have the same rights as the Jews of Banu ‘Awf.

(27) And the Jews of Banu-al-Harith shall have the same rights as the Jews of Banu ‘Awf.

(28) And the Jews of Banu Sa‘ida shall have the same rights as the Jews of Banu ‘Awf

(29) And the Jews of Banu Jusham shall have the same rights as the Jews of Banu ‘Awf.

(30) And the Jews of Banu al-Aws shall have the same rights as the Jews of Banu ‘Awf.

(31) And the Jews of Banu Tha‘laba shall have the same rights as the Jews of Banu ‘Awf. But whoever does wrong or commits treachery brings evil only on himself and his household.

(32) And Jafna, who are a branch of the Tha’laba tribe, shall have the same rights as the mother tribes.


(33) And Banu-ash-Shutaiba shall have the same rights as the Jews of Banu ‘Awf; and they shall be faithful to, and not violators of, treaty.

(34) And the mawlas (clients) of Tha'laba shall have the same rights as those of the original members of it.

(35) And the sub-branches of the Jewish tribes shall have the same rights as the mother tribes.

(36) (a) And that none of them shall go out to fight as a soldier of the Muslim army, without the per-mission of Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم). (b) And no obstruction shall be placed in the way of any one‟s retaliation for beating or injuries; and whoever sheds blood brings it upon himself and his household, except he who has been wronged, and Allah demands the most righteous fulfillment of this [treaty].

(37) (a) And the Jews shall bear the burden of their expenses and the Muslims theirs.

(b) And if any one fights against the people of this code, their (i.e., of the Jews and Muslims) mutual help shall come into operation, and there shall be friendly counsel and sincere behaviour between them; and faithfulness and no breach of covenant.

(38) And the Jews shall be bearing their own expenses so long as they shall be fighting in conjunction with the believers.

(39) And the Valley of Yathrib (Madina) shall be a Haram (sacred place) for the people of this code.

(40) The clients (mawla) shall have the same treatment as the original persons (i.e., persons accepting clientage). He shall neither be harmed nor shall he himself break the covenant.

(41) And no refuge shall be given to any one without the permission of the people of the place (i.e., the refugee shall have no right of giving refuge to others).

(42) And that if any murder or quarrel takes place among the people of this code, from which any trouble may be feared, it shall be referred to God and God‟s Messenger, Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم); and God will be with him who will be most particular about what is written in this code and act on it most faithfully.

(43) The Quraish shall be given no protection nor shall they who help them.

(44) And they (i.e., Jews and Muslims) shall have each other‟s help in the event of any one invading Yathrib.

(45) (a) And if they (i.e., the Jews) are invited to any peace, they also shall offer peace and shall be a party to it; and if they invite the believers to some such affairs, it shall be their (Muslims) duty as well to reciprocate the dealings, excepting that any one makes a religious war. (b) On every group shall rest the responsibility of (repulsing) the enemy from the place which faces its part of the city.

(46) And the Jews of the tribe of al-Aws, clients as well as original members, shall have the same rights as the people of this code: and shall behave sincerely and faithfully towards the latter, not perpetrating any breach of covenant. As one shall sow so shall he reap. And God is with him who will most sincerely and faithfully carry out the provisions of this code.

(47) And this prescript shall not be of any avail to any oppressor or breaker of covenant. And one shall have security whether one goes out to a campaign or remains in Madina, or else it will be an oppression and breach of covenant. And God is the Protector of him who performs the obligations with faithfulness and care, as also His Messenger Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم).[26]

 
the audacity when we are trying to prevent them starving to death...
I've seen Pakistanis talk against Afghan children taking bags of wheat on their backs through dangerous border. Pakistan only reluctantly allowed aid to *travel* through their borders. not even active effort.
 
Your problem is that you see everything through the lens of "Laal Inqilaab". Pakistan's Security Establishment has to assess the threats, in the light of the historical and current happenings. There is a long history of collusion between India, Afghanistan, USSR and separatist elements of our KPK and Balochistan provinces, which has ever threatened our western border. That threat, perhaps sans Russia, is still there. Add to it now US. These are the governing factors.

SIPRA bhai, do you think a progressive Afghan movement like SPA will collude with the Right oriented establishment in India ? Maybe we have discussed this earlier but during Zia's time it would be India which would have restored Zia to presidentship were he to be overthrown by leftists in Pakistan. This would be because of the Indian Establishment not desiring Socialists or Communists to govern Pakistan and the USSR to have even more influence in South Asia ( other than in Afghanistan ) because it would encourage the environment for Communists in India to make more moves to get into power in the central government. I quote from my thread from 2015 :
Washington: Contradicting perceived proximity to the Soviet Union in the Cold War era, India under the then Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi had toyed with the idea of supporting anti-Russian civilian groups in Pakistan if the then Zia regime was thrown out by Moscow, a recent declassified CIA document has claimed.

According to CIA documents of the era, which were recently declassified and posted on the CIA website under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), which is similar to India's Right to Information Act, Gandhi wanted non-interference from both the United States and the then USSR. "Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi would like both the USSR and the United States to end their involvement in South Asia," noted the 31-page CIA document titled 'The Soviet Presence in Afghanistan: Implications for the Regional Powers and the US'.

While taking note of the historic India-USSR relationship in particular in the defence field, the CIA report of April 1985 noted that India is likely to become increasingly concerned about long-range Soviet intentions in the region and could find itself moving towards confrontation with the Soviets if Pakistan was effectively neutralised.

"New Delhi regards Pakistan as a strategic buffer against the USSR and would oppose Moscow's effort to dominate Pakistan. New Delhi and Moscow would find themselves supporting rival factions within Pakistan," said the report, according to which Moscow had plans to change the regime in Pakistan and extend its influence beyond Afghanistan. In that case, the report said, "The Indians would seek to significantly reduce their dependence on Moscow and reorder their strategic relationship with the USSR, the United States and China if they perceived Soviet ambitions as extending beyond Afghanistan toward the subcontinent."

According to the report, the Soviets tried to heighten India's suspicion about Pakistan's intentions and its security relationship with the US in order to foster Indo-Pakistani tensions and heighten New Delhi’s dependence on Moscow. "In Soviet view, conflict between India and Pakistan would work toward solving Moscow's Afghan problem and would give Moscow opportunities to strengthen its position in South Asia," the report said.

"If (Gen) Zia (Ul Haq) regime were to fall, the Indians might try to prevent Soviet attempt to dominate Pakistan by supporting rival Pakistani political factions, Soviet military moves against an already neutralised Pakistan could even result in military confrontation with India," it added.

Six months later when Gandhi was planning to meet General Zia on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly meeting in New York, the CIA analyzed that the then Indian Prime Minister, despite his strong public views on Pakistan's nuclear weapons program, was unlikely to push him hard on it. "Gandhi is unlikely to push Zia hard about the Pakistani nuclear program, although he probably will at least mention his continuing concern," noted the top secret CIA document dated October 21, 1985.

"For his part, Zia is also likely to propose ideas on ways to improve the bilateral relationship. He may suggest regular high-level diplomatic talks in addition to the formal Joint Commission sessions that focuses on trade, communications and cultural exchanges," the report said. "Zia may also solicit Gandhi's views on whether as the Pakistanis believe the Soviets are becoming serious about a negotiated settlement in Afghanistan," it said.


In the current situation it is natural for the right-wing Taliban to collaborate with the right-wing government of India. We have seen this some days ago about the wheat supply by India to the Taliban government.

Still better than being slaves and worshippers of indian hindus and sikhs......... :azn:

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SIPRA bhai, do you think a progressive Afghan movement like SPA will collude with the Right oriented establishment in India ? Maybe we have discussed this earlier but during Zia's time it would be India which would have restored Zia to presidentship were he to be overthrown by leftists in Pakistan. This would be because of the Indian Establishment not desiring Socialists or Communists to govern Pakistan and the USSR to have even more influence in South Asia ( other than in Afghanistan ) because it would encourage the environment for Communists in India to make more moves to get into power in the central government. I quote from my thread from 2015 :





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So are you claiming that so called "indian Muslims" are not the bit**es/slaves of indian hindus/sanghis and are not being persecuted by them?........... :azn:............8-)

PS Just scream, "jai shrem" and you and your family should be fine.........8-)
I posted this before, the audacity when we are trying to prevent them starving to death...
The thing is no matter what Pak does we will never be appreciated by anyone, no one will come to help us...




It's about time Pakistanis learnt that trying to impress non-Pakistanis gets us NOWHERE. Apart from China, Pakistan has NO OTHER meaningful relationship with non-Pakistanis.
 
So are you claiming that so called "indian Muslims" are not the bit**es/slaves of indian hindus/sanghis and are not being persecuted by them?........... :azn:............8-)

PS Just scream, "jai shrem" and you and your family should be fine.........8-)

You brave types should therefore come live in India and show us how to counter the Hindutvadis. You and your brave friends from Britain should come here, go near a Bajrang Dal office and do the Nara-e-Takbeer. Please post on PDF the photos from that experiment.
 
You brave types should therefore come live in India and show us how to counter the Hindutvadis. You and your brave friends from Britain should come here, go near a Bajrang Dal office and do the Nara-e-Takbeer. Please post on PDF the photos from that experiment.






No thanks. So called "indian Muslims" have NOTHING to do with me. NOT my race, NOT my people, NOT my problem. Your problem, sort it out YOURSELVES.

PS Explain why over 1.4 billion indians/sanghis can't mess Pakistan/Pakistanis?........... 8-)
 
Then stop repeating what you usually do.




I can say and do what I like. I am a Pakistani on a Pakistani forum. It is my right and prerogative to do so. If you and your kind don't like it then you can always get lost to an indian/sanghi forum. NO-ONE is forcing you and your kind to be here. Pakistan/afghanistan/Taliban have NOTHING to do with so called "indian Muslims" yet you are always here commenting about them all....... :disagree:
 
kis baat ke liye ?

everyone know that prophet mohmmed PBUH did not choose his Succeeder . letter what happened in BANI SUQAYAH is history and devide is still here until today between shia and sunnah .

جنہوں نے اسلامی تاریخ پڑھی ہے انکو اچھی طرح پتا ہے خلفاء الراشدین کے چناؤ میں کیسے کیسے مشکلوں اور نفرتوں کا سلسلہ چل نکلا تھا ہر خلیفہ کا چناؤ پہلے سے مختلف اور مشکل امر تھا پہلے اور دوسرے خلفاء تو جیسے کیسے امن سے چن لیے گئے پر تیسے خلیفہ سے ہی ماحول جنگ و جدل والا ہو گیا جو خلیفہ حضرت عثمان کی شہادت جو کہ سول وار تھی تک چلا پھر چوتھے خلفہ حضرت علی کے چناؤ پر مکمل جنگ چھڑ گئی ۔ جب ہمارے آقا کے پیارے ہمارے صحابہ کرام جو کام سر انجام نا دے سکے یہ پاکستان افغانی ملا وہ کام کریں گے ؟ ملک انارکی اور جنگ و جدل میں ایس اجائے گا کہ ٹوٹ کر بکھر جائے گا ۔

Not quite right but there is no point in debating with you. History is not as that simple as you portray it and you missed a lot of vital yet important information because some stupid people think Islam has Firqa bandi, Islam was/is/will remain one everyone else are just self proclaimed Muslims, but if you do a little bit research over their ideology you can tell who is following the footsteps of Prophet and who is following the footsteps of XYZ's .
 
you are a geneous in understanding politics and dog whistles (not).
read comments to see what this talibunny terrorist has inspired people to say/think/believe. for example one jehadi had this to say:

yet another wants to destroy Pakistan completely saying : رب دې انګریز مرتد منافق یهود پاکستان هلاک کړي

another: آفرین. جهاد په اعلان کړی.
another: He is telling the truth but this will change with TLP coming to power insha’Allah
looks like most of Pakistan is comming to internet to ask him to be their emir.

BTW. anyone recall islami emirate of waziristan?

Get the fuk outta with that shxt..

It was a fuking interview and he was asked and answered as legit as it should have been.... What the fuk do you want him to say that Pakistan is Abbasid? Get outta with that cheap azz analogy that is reaching for straws bro wallahi.

Pakistan is a democracy... You can ask any Pakistani politician if he doesn't say we are not democratic country his lying to your face
 
Get the fuk outta with that shxt..

It was a fuking interview and he was asked and answered as legit as it should have been.... What the fuk do you want him to say that Pakistan is Abbasid? Get outta with that cheap azz analogy that is reaching for straws bro wallahi.

Pakistan is a democracy... You can ask any Pakistani politician if he doesn't say we are not democratic country his lying to your face





If the afghan taliban think that Pakistan is not Islamic enough then they should stop countless numbers of their afghan women working as prostitutes in Pakistan, take back 10 million afghans residing/begging in Pakistan and stop begging Pakistan for famine relief.
 
If the afghan taliban think that Pakistan is not Islamic enough then they should stop countless numbers of their afghan women working as prostitutes in Pakistan, take back 10 million afghans residing/begging in Pakistan and stop begging Pakistan for famine relief.

Don't ever reply nor act like someone who fell head first as an infant.. try to have situational awareness..

Even Wiki says Pakistan is a democracy why do you want someone to lie on behalf of Pakistan besides he never said it in a malicious way it was just stating a fact
what a hellish mess!

I am the furthest thing from an Islamist just saying.. Don't embarras Pakistan by jumping on non-issue as something..
 
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