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PAKISTAN’S MIRAGES: SPECIALISTS ENDURING OUT OF NECESSITY

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In April 2018, the AFP News Agency published an article detailing its visit to the Mirage Rebuild Factory (MRF) at Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC).[1] The complete AFP article is available on Dawn News, but it provides an insight into the MRF’s activities in keeping the Pakistan Air Force’s (PAF) Dassault Mirage III and 5 fighters serviceable, especially with much of the fleet averaging 50 years in terms of airframe age.[2]

Interestingly, AFP was able to extract the reason why the PAF persists with operating the Mirage III/5, i.e. its continuing value as an effective strike aircraft, which the PAF Air Commodore Tariq Yazdani described as a “very agile aircraft capable of penetrating deep into the enemy’s territory without being detected by radar, which makes its sole mission — to drop bombs on the enemy’s position — quite easy.”[3]

Since its introduction to the PAF fleet in the late 1960s, the Mirage III/5 has transitioned from being the PAF’s mainstay high-tech fighter in the 1970s to a complementary asset to the newer F-16 in the 1980s. Today, the Mirage III/5 may not command as much attention as the F-16 and JF-17 as an air-to-air asset, but it is significantly more than just a valuable strike fighter – it is the PAF’s prime strike asset.

This prominence stems from two factors.

First is the straightforward reality that the PAF has not yet been able to secure a suitable successor. The cause primarily stems from a lack of funding (i.e. cash on-hand or financing mechanisms such as a supplier line-of-credit), but a limited pool of willing suppliers with aircraft that can substantively improve upon the Mirage III/5 to warrant the costly shift to a new platform.

Second, the Mirage III/5 is the PAF’s sole delivery platform for key stand-off weapons (SOW), namely the H-2 and H-4 glide-bombs (which are derived from the Denel Dynamics Raptor I and Raptor II – ranges of 60 km and 120 km, respectively) and Ra’ad I and Ra’ad II air-launched cruise missiles (ALCM), which have ranges of 350 km and 550 km, respectively. The Mirage 5PA3 can also carry the MBDA AM39 Exocet anti-ship missile (AShM). Prior to the C-802-equipped JF-17, the Mirage 5PA3 was the PAF’s only AShW asset – it still operates from the Masroor Air Base through the No. 32 Tactical Wing.
 
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It gives us options and that is still great
However would have been nice had we been able to upgrade it's Radar / Missile package to Year , 2005 Level Jets

In end now it is just 1 piece of defensive strategy

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I think we have beaten this horse to the ground multiple times. It is game over for the Mirages. Had they had undertaken an equivalent Cheetah upgrade; then yes we could have said this made sense but it is sheer murder to the pilots who fly them.

We can praise them for keeping them in the air but at the end, they need to be let go to retirement.
 
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I think we have beaten this horse to the ground multiple times. It is game over for the Mirages. Had they had undertaken an equivalent Cheetah upgrade; then yes we could have said this made sense but it is sheer murder to the pilots who fly them.

We can praise them for keeping them in the air but at the end, they need to be let go to retirement.
Apparently your folks were open to letting the Raptor get onto the F-16 as well but the Americans would never budge. Not enough clearance on the JF-17 and the current Indian gened takeover of your country means any future input into a standoff weapon is forgone.

That being said, the Darters work fine thank you.
 
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simply get some proper deep penetration fighters we can,t stick with this beauty as it is old enough to b buried.......
this machine has done enough for our nation now we can,t allow our boys to fly in it for god sake......
 
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In April 2018, the AFP News Agency published an article detailing its visit to the Mirage Rebuild Factory (MRF) at Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC).[1] The complete AFP article is available on Dawn News, but it provides an insight into the MRF’s activities in keeping the Pakistan Air Force’s (PAF) Dassault Mirage III and 5 fighters serviceable, especially with much of the fleet averaging 50 years in terms of airframe age.[2]

Interestingly, AFP was able to extract the reason why the PAF persists with operating the Mirage III/5, i.e. its continuing value as an effective strike aircraft, which the PAF Air Commodore Tariq Yazdani described as a “very agile aircraft capable of penetrating deep into the enemy’s territory without being detected by radar, which makes its sole mission — to drop bombs on the enemy’s position — quite easy.”[3]

Since its introduction to the PAF fleet in the late 1960s, the Mirage III/5 has transitioned from being the PAF’s mainstay high-tech fighter in the 1970s to a complementary asset to the newer F-16 in the 1980s. Today, the Mirage III/5 may not command as much attention as the F-16 and JF-17 as an air-to-air asset, but it is significantly more than just a valuable strike fighter – it is the PAF’s prime strike asset.

This prominence stems from two factors.

First is the straightforward reality that the PAF has not yet been able to secure a suitable successor. The cause primarily stems from a lack of funding (i.e. cash on-hand or financing mechanisms such as a supplier line-of-credit), but a limited pool of willing suppliers with aircraft that can substantively improve upon the Mirage III/5 to warrant the costly shift to a new platform.

Second, the Mirage III/5 is the PAF’s sole delivery platform for key stand-off weapons (SOW), namely the H-2 and H-4 glide-bombs (which are derived from the Denel Dynamics Raptor I and Raptor II – ranges of 60 km and 120 km, respectively) and Ra’ad I and Ra’ad II air-launched cruise missiles (ALCM), which have ranges of 350 km and 550 km, respectively. The Mirage 5PA3 can also carry the MBDA AM39 Exocet anti-ship missile (AShM). Prior to the C-802-equipped JF-17, the Mirage 5PA3 was the PAF’s only AShW asset – it still operates from the Masroor Air Base through the No. 32 Tactical Wing.
That man retired in 2011.....he's flying as a civilian these days. How did he end up back in PAF in April 2018....
 
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Apparently your folks were open to letting the Raptor get onto the F-16 as well but the Americans would never budge. Not enough clearance on the JF-17 and the current Indian gened takeover of your country means any future input into a standoff weapon is forgone.

That being said, the Darters work fine thank you.
Indian issue has been put to rest :)..... They are hiding now in Dubai with arrest warrants out for their arrest. That dark chapter of the Guptas is long over.... We are free from curry munchers. I want to see those bastards behind bars. Their stooges are slowly being weeded out. We are taking our country back from these wretched bastards. I apologise but no other way. Can you imagine the amount of money they stole. Are these loyal people. They came here with nothing and landed up stealing enmass.

We can resume work now with you.

Latest news is termination of their citizenship papers; the main honcho did nto have citizenship; just PR; that is in progress to be terminated. Can you imagine the bastards were funneling stolen monies to fund a temple. Just imagine - they have no morales? But then coming from thieves is there such thing as morales.
 
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Ive got another thing to say, jh - 7b
JH-7B is too specialised a jet for multi role missions. Great as a strike jet with cruise missiles and naval patrol but J-10 is a true multi role fighter that suits Pakistan for both deep strike and air superiority.
Keep in mind that China has a load of flankers and J-10s to establish air superiority for the J-H7s.
 
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JH-7B is too specialised a jet for multi role missions. Great as a strike jet with cruise missiles and naval patrol but J-10 is a true multi role fighter that suits Pakistan for both deep strike and air superiority.
Keep in mind that China has a load of flankers and J-10s to establish air superiority for the J-H7s.
The challenge is will the stand off fit on jh-7b. if so, then it is a match; dual engines and newer jh-7bs will have more enhanced capabilities.
 
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J-10 only way forward , Single engine , advance , delta wing , If it can take mirages emmo then that will be extra great.
 
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J-10 only way forward , Single engine , advance , delta wing , If it can take mirages emmo then that will be extra great.
Yes, it should; height is good so taking on should be fine. Only issue with Su-34 is the Russian maintenance; parts supply chain never reliable.
 
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