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Pakistan's minorities minister Shahbaz Bhatti assassinated

Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas: A blind man had a slave who used to abuse the Prophet (peace be upon him) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (peace be upon him) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (peace be upon him) was informed about it.

He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up.

He sat before the Prophet (peace be upon him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her. Thereupon the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood.[Sunnan Abu Dawud 38:4348, Sunnan Abu Dawud 38:4361]
 
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Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas: A blind man had a slave who used to abuse the Prophet (peace be upon him) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (peace be upon him) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (peace be upon him) was informed about it.

He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up.

He sat before the Prophet (peace be upon him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her. Thereupon the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood.[Sunnan Abu Dawud 38:4348, Sunnan Abu Dawud 38:4361]

a bit of interpretaiton is needed please, the last part, doest it mean that prophet was not happy for what the guy did?
 
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a bit of interpretaiton is needed please, the last part, doest it mean that prophet was not happy for what the guy did?

You dont understand english, do you? Wow! And I thought I sucked at English. Or maybe. There's something else wrong.

DO you know that in Islam, they say that if you kill someone, you must pay a price? Like, blood for blood. You kill someone, prepare to die.
And in this particular case, Prophet SAW said that "Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood", which means that there will be no consequences for the killer. The killer doesnt need to pay any price at all. He doesnt need to die. Its actually a form of encouraging the killer that you did good.
 
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You dont understand english, do you? Wow! And I thought I sucked at English. Or maybe. There's something else wrong.

DO you know that in Islam, they say that if you kill someone, you must pay a price? Like, blood for blood. You kill someone, prepare to die.
And in this particular case, Prophet SAW said that "Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood", which means that there will be no consequences for the killer. The killer doesnt need to pay any price at all. He doesnt need to die. Its actually a form of encouraging the killer that you did good.

No personall attacks please. English is not my first langauge and i never did complete my studies in this language, the only langauge that i am confident is Farsi.

And thanks for the interpretation, now something else come to mind. There was another woman who constantly insuled the prophet pbuh by pouring rubbish on him, but he instead went to visit her when she was ill, i can see a contradiciton here. I pointed out the same thing in another thread which nobody answered me. People like me who knows not much about Ahadith and Ayat of the Quran are confused, everybody comes with a peice of evidence to say that blasphemy is according to islam, and the other group raise the evidence taht it is not according to islam. Now i dont kow which one is it?
 
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I dont care what group is doing what or if their faith is weak or whatever. Seriously. They are not my ideals. I am follow my Muhammad SAW and the religion He (saw) brought for us. And stop bashing the mullahs for everything all the time. They are not the "thekidaar" of this religion. It is our responsibility as a muslim to present the religion in the best way possible.

I am not bashing mullahs. I am just merely showing my surprise that those so called religious leaders who were carrying out rallies and threatening Govt to not to amend blasphemy law don't even know the smallest surah of Quran. This doesn't show the weakness. This shows that they have no clue what is written in Quran but they are acting like "thekedaar" of Islam.

However, i do agree that we should follow our prophet (P.B.U.H). So question is are we doing that?
 
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No personall attacks please. English is not my first langauge and i never did complete my studies in this language, the only langauge that i am confident is Farsi.

And thanks for the interpretation, now something else come to mind. There was another woman who constantly insuled the prophet pbuh by pouring rubbish on him, but he instead went to visit her when she was ill, i can see a contradiciton here. I pointed out the same thing in another thread which nobody answered me. People like me who knows not much about Ahadith and Ayat of the Quran are confused, everybody comes with a peice of evidence to say that blasphemy is according to islam, and the other group raise the evidence taht it is not according to islam. Now i dont kow which one is it?
I'm sorry about that. I didnt mean it. Sorry again it just happened. I just had this idea that almost everyone on this forum is seriously good in English except me. Ok.
First thing, there are two times. One time in Mekkah and other one in Medinah. First phase was of silence. As in they just couldnt do it openly. The real phase is the second one. When there's their society and no one is there to rule over them and they can do anything. The two mentioned ahadith might have different phases.
The second possibility is a personal thing. The Prophet SAW never hurt anyone. Even when he was ordered to go against the kufaar in a battle, he never hurt anyone there either. He was just there as a leader and without raising his sword. He never killed anyone. So it also might mean that whatever someone did to him, he forgave but if person A insulted him infront of person B and person B hurt person A just because of his love for the Prophet SAW, the Messenger SAW didnt discourage this. WALLAHO ALAM!
 
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Bhatti's father was Pakistani Army officer who fought in war for this nation.

Seems like the people who actually cared for this nation are the only ones who get killed brutally and not those extremists who should be the real ones being terminated from society.

There will be a day when these extremists get what the deserve.
 
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People like me who knows not much about Ahadith and Ayat of the Quran are confused, everybody comes with a peice of evidence to say that blasphemy is according to islam, and the other group raise the evidence taht it is not according to islam. Now i dont kow which one is it?

It's pretty simple really. If you are a traditionalist (one who takes hadith as a religious source) like a sunni (Barelvi, deobandi, blah blah blah), shia, etc, Killing someone for Blaspheming is A-OK. In fact, it's encouraged and you'll be treated like royalty.

Now, if you respect the prophet with honesty and take only the Quran as a religious source (like every god fearing muslim should), Killing someone for Blaspheming is not according to Islam, in fact, there is no punishment for blasphemy other than incurring the wrath of God in the hereafter.

You see, the hadith books are full of contradictions and contradict the Quran. Sadly, a majority of muslims fail to realize this and treat it like gospel (and they're not at fault...i mean numerous volumes of sahih hadith books...who has the time to read them all except the 'scholars'? ;)).
 
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U can say it conspiracy theory or whtaever but this is what it think

This assisniation has nothing to do with Mullah or blah blah .Yeah but it is the part of a series of events which have taken place in pakistan just to create disturbance in the society that minorities are not safe in Pakistan .

first come the Salman taseer and after a time the matter of minorities was cooled down
as soon as the matter becomes cold .Another murder of a high profile making the issue go more hot creating more instability in Pakistan and creating more panic in pakistani society.
 
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Pakistanis looking for help from government to put an end to this, are just misguided, deluded --

March 4, 2011
Most Pakistani Officials Shun Slain Official’s Funeral
By JANE PERLEZ and WAQAR GILLANI

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Shahbaz Bhatti, the Christian cabinet minister who was assassinated this week, was honored Friday at a Roman Catholic service here attended by thousands and then buried in his impoverished village, a bastion for over 100 years for the rights of minorities.

Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani was the only senior Pakistani government official to attend. There was a phalanx of foreign diplomats, including the American ambassador, Cameron P. Munter, who sat in a pew near Mr. Bhatti’s coffin.

Mr. Bhatti had served as the minister for minorities and dedicated his life to religious tolerance in this increasingly radicalized Muslim country. His killing on Wednesday underlined the anxieties among Western governments that extremists are using targeted killings as a way to move Pakistan toward an Islamic state and are doing so with impunity.

Mr. Bhatti’s assassination followed the killing in January of an even more prominent politician, Salman Taseer, the governor of Punjab. The men campaigned for the reform of draconian blasphemy laws that are often used to persecute minorities, particularly Christians. Mr. Taseer was killed by his government bodyguard, who was widely hailed in Pakistani society after he confessed.

Diplomats at Mr. Bhatti’s funeral at Our Lady Fatima Church said they feared that the minister was killed on information provided by his government security detail. A branch of the Pakistani Taliban based in Punjab, where militants control many of the schools and mosques, took credit for the killing.

After multiple death threats in recent months, Mr. Bhatti rarely traveled with his security guards because he did not trust them, a Western diplomat said. The minister tried to take his own security measures — for example, sleeping at his mother’s house instead of his own — but the killers knew where to find him, the diplomat said, citing the likelihood of leaks from the security detail.

Another diplomat said that the government, which so far has proven unwilling or unable to take a strong stand against the killings, would try to offer compensation to Mr. Bhatti’s family and then close the case.

The ruling Pakistan Peoples Party, which was founded on secular principles but is now under pressure from religious conservatives, announced recently that it opposed efforts to amend the blasphemy law.

But the dismay of Mr. Bhatti’s family and the angry atmosphere at the funeral, in Khush Pur in Punjab, indicated Pakistan’s Christians — about five million out of a total population of 180 million — were unlikely to let the matter rest
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“We feel that Pakistan is our country, but it seems there is no government in the country, ever, which gave us shade and protected us and fully respected our rights,” said the Rev. Andrew Nisari, one of the Catholic clergymen at the burial. “Will we be living in this hostile, harassed and fearful environment forever?”

About 10,000 mostly poor people attended the funeral, many hailing Mr. Bhatti as a local hero and now a martyr. But anxiety mingled with pride.

“The enemy is around us and hovering over us, so please be careful,” a loudspeaker announcement said before the arrival of Mr. Bhatti’s coffin by helicopter from Islamabad. Some mourners hoisted placards reading: “Shahbaz’s blood will lead to revolution.”

In most predominantly Christian villages in Punjab, many residents work as employees of large landlords in a relationship that resembles a caste system, with the Christians at the bottom. But in Khush Pur, founded during British rule in 1903 by a Roman Catholic priest, most residents have small farm holdings. The village has a particular tradition of fighting for religious rights.

A Roman Catholic bishop, John Joseph, who shot himself in 1998 in protest against the blasphemy laws, was born in the village and is buried here. In a rare honor last September, Pope Benedict XVI met Mr. Bhatti in a private audience at the Vatican.

In recent weeks, Mr. Bhatti, despondent about the murder of Mr. Taseer and fearing for his own life, sought advice on how to persist in his campaign for tolerance in the face of such threats.

“We talked heart to heart a few days before he died,” Farhatullah Babar, the spokesman for President Asif Ali Zardari, said after attending Mr. Bhatti’s funeral. “He asked: ‘What should I do?’ I told him: ‘You are a sane voice. You must continue.’ ”


Jane Perlez reported from Islamabad, Pakistan, and Waqar Gillani from Khush Pur.


This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:

Correction: March 4, 2011


A previous version of this article misstated that President Asif Ali Zardari had attended the funeral of Shahbaz Bhatti; his spokesman, Farhatullah Babar, attende
 
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Support for extremist ideas goes through 4 stages
1) Sympathy: First people start sympathising with the idea.
2) Denial: They don't mind the consequences as long as it doesn't affect them.
3) Compliance: They try to outdo others to prove that they are better than them.
4) Fear: Finally, it is fear that is used to keep people in line, to crush any opposition to the idea.

I blame the government of Pakistan for the current situation. They should have acted strongly especially after the Tasir murder to crush this sort of thought. Instead it is fear which prevents them from acting against these people. The silence following Taseer's murder and the refusal to out rightly reject such thought has only encouraged these loonies.
 
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For God's sake man, One has to have convictions (other than convictions about your personal bank account) -- The Govt of Pakistan is representative of Pakistan -- yes, it's painful to admit, but in the end you can't escape this - it's what Pakistan is
 
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It's pretty simple really. If you are a traditionalist (one who takes hadith as a religious source) like a sunni (Barelvi, deobandi, blah blah blah), shia, etc, Killing someone for Blaspheming is A-OK. In fact, it's encouraged and you'll be treated like royalty.

Now, if you respect the prophet with honesty and take only the Quran as a religious source (like every god fearing muslim should), Killing someone for Blaspheming is not according to Islam, in fact, there is no punishment for blasphemy other than incurring the wrath of God in the hereafter.

You see, the hadith books are full of contradictions and contradict the Quran. Sadly, a majority of muslims fail to realize this and treat it like gospel (and they're not at fault...i mean numerous volumes of sahih hadith books...who has the time to read them all except the 'scholars'? ;)).

Such thoughts. People with such thoughts shouldn't even follow Islam. When they think that they just "dont have time" to read the religion, why bother follow one at all? Or at least claim to follow?
Why do you think Qur'an is a true book? If you reject Ahadith to such extent, what proof do you have that this book is a true book? There's none. The Prophet SAW proved this through this Ahadith (Speech, actions and everything). If you reject the ahadith, you reject the religion all at once. There's contradiction everywhere, in everything.
There's this one simple formula: If something in Ahadith contradicts with Qur'an, then go for what the Qur'an says. Other than that, we have obligation to follow the sahih Ahadith, just as we have obligation to follow Islam.
People who dont know about Islam (And neither are interested), should please stay away from infecting others with seriously sh!tty ideas about this religion. Its their personal choice to let it go if they think its too much for them.
A muslim will, when faced with a serious threat, seek out a solution in the Quran, if he cant, he will seek out the solution in the Ahadith. It's ummat's Ijma on the 'correctness" of this book called Sahih Bukhari. (I forgot this word for the correctness what... Ah well. I guess you get the point.) If he's still confused, he'd go to different Ulama and ask for what they think about it. Not just one specific sector but to those famous Ulama who Ummat recognizes. And beware of the Mullahs. Its not Mullah's Deen anyway. It's ours. Once you have found something in the Ahadith, Quran or from the Scholars, and you think that this must be the case. Stand by it. Unless someone else comes with a stronger reference. Everyone else is doing the same. So stop saying "$#^@#$&" to them. At least they took out some time to do some research insteading of ranting about how difficult the religion is, in an attempt to satisfy the non-muslims "Look, even they are annoyed by their religion. HA! Thanks GOD we are not muslims"
 
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The Faith Divide: Shahbaz Bhatti assassinated: murder is not prophetic - On Faith at washingtonpost.com

This morning, Shahbaz Bhatti, minister of minorities and the sole Christian in the Pakistani government, was shot to death. Mr. Bhatti had recently campaigned to reform a blasphemy law in Pakistan which calls for the death of those who speak against the Prophet Muhammad.

Undoubtedly, some will say this is Islam. It's not. It's murder. Plain and simple.

The Prophet Muhammad made it a clear priority that people of other faiths and traditions would feel safe around him and his companions.

In 628 CE, the Prophet granted the monks of St. Catherine Monastery in Mt. Sinai a charter of privilege, which among other rights, ensured their right to practice Christianity, self-govern, and be protected in times of war.

In another story, the Prophet allowed a group of Christians to pray in his own mosque.

Through history, Muslims have followed this tradition of protecting those from other faiths and backgrounds.

Ali, the 4th Caliph of Islam and the first Shia Imam, famously wrote a letter to his governor in Egypt reminding him that the population there was made up of those who were his brothers in faith or his equals in creation, and they should all be treated accordingly.

In Albania during WWII, Muslims took their Jewish neighbors into their homes and protected them, putting their own families and lives on the line. And in this Muslim majority country, almost every single Jew was saved. When interviewed, a Muslim Albanian Hamdi Mece explained, "We are true Muslims, and God granted us the privilege of saving Jews. All life is precious and given by God. To save a life is God's gift."

The Prophet made it clear that people of other faiths and traditions ought to feel safe around Muslims, and that it was a Muslim duty to protect others as they would one another.

It is staggering to see extremists who call themselves Muslims brazenly defy this very clear tradition of the Prophet they claim to follow.
 
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