Pakistan's JF 17 fighter Jets pose serious threat to Indian Air Force entire Mig fleet: Intl. expert

[Storm Force]

Give Credit WHERES its DESERVED.

Pakistan is no position to buy major hi tech weapons gfrom WEST even Russia in the NOS it desires

Yes it can buy 18 block 52 EVEN 36 BUT it needed 200 4th generation fighters NOT 36

Thunder has give them that.

THEY HAVE a already inducted 6 sqds ............ ie 100+ planes

They will add to it IE new Aesa radar , maybe new engine , new weapons from CHINA eventually in 5gen mode

BUT PAF still needs to FIND the RIGHT system COMBO to fght IAF of 2018

IAF of 2009 (the year Thunder entered PAF service) had pnly 40 SU30 MKI

IAF of 2018 has 220 SU30MKI

Regarding FLANKERS read THIS first

 

[randomradio]

I doubt russians will allow any other radar on migs other than phazotron ones it currently holds.
Niip really has just one aesa ie byelka(n036 radar) getting tested on su-57 itself.It hasent entered production yet so not sure what will the russians offer.
Going for irbis-e pesa is not worth it in my opinion.Lets see what options are on table.

The Mig-29K uses an Indian EW suite. They won't have a choice regarding the matter.

If the Russian radar is better, then we will choose that, no problem.

2 days is all the IAF needs against the PAF.

 

[GumNaam]

2 days is all the IAF needs against the PAF.

then what happened during kargil? The PAF didn't even have any BVR capabilities then. Us waqt kia tumhari iaf ko saamp soong giya tha? Yeah Yeah, the mki wasn't "supposedly" there then and all that jazz, blah blah blah, heard it all before. Let's face it, if the iaf could take on the PAF, it would have.

The only thing the PAF can't compete against the iaf on is making lame excuses!

 

[randomradio]

then what happened during kargil? The PAF didn't even have any BVR capabilities then. Us waqt kia tumhari iaf ko saamp soong giya tha? Yeah Yeah, the mki wasn't "supposedly" there then and all that jazz, blah blah blah, heard it all before. Let's face it, if the iaf could take on the PAF, it would have.

The only thing the PAF can't compete against the iaf on is making lame excuses!

We had complete and total air supremacy during Kargil War. No air battles were fought and the IAF was not challenged by the PAF at any time during the war.

6500 unchallenged sorties. Higher than in the 1971 war.

 

[he-man]

https://www.oneindia.com/india/not-enough-stock-of-ammunition-to-fight-10-day-war-cag-2502289.html

http://www.newsweek.com/indian-india-nuclear-submarine-ballistic-missile-sank-hatch-left-open-777804

http://www.janes.com/article/72779/cag-criticises-low-serviceability-of-iaf-s-ilyushin-fleet

https://worldview.stratfor.com/article/indias-air-force-has-no-shortage-shortfalls

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/16...satisfactory__Government_Auditor#.WvXQbqTt7IU

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...lays-plague-projects/articleshow/53371140.cms

http://indianexpress.com/article/in...ng-loc-in-pak-firing-since-2001-army-3738096/

https://tribune.com.pk/story/979201/pakistan-army-wins-gold-in-exercise-cambrian-patrol-in-uk/

https://www.dawn.com/news/1297112

http://www.asian-defence.net/2012/1...rsonic-Carrier-Killer-Missile-For-JF-17.html/

http://www.asian-defence.net/2011/06/pakistani-f-16s-shoot-down-raf.html/

https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/Nuclearweaponswhohaswhat

Live under a rock for all i care,just told u the truth.
Look at ur foreign reserves and state of economy urself........pakistan wont last 5 days.

There is 0 comparison between jf-17+f-16 combo vs su-30mki+mig 29k+mirage 2000-5+upgraded jaguars(with aesa)+ soon to arrive rafale.

Any logical person can draw that conclusion.

 

[GumNaam]

Give Credit WHERES its DESERVED.

Pakistan is no position to buy major hi tech weapons gfrom WEST even Russia in the NOS it desires

Yes it can buy 18 block 52 EVEN 36 BUT it needed 200 4th generation fighters NOT 36

Thunder has give them that.

THEY HAVE a already inducted 6 sqds ............ ie 100+ planes

They will add to it IE new Aesa radar , maybe new engine , new weapons from CHINA eventually in 5gen mode

BUT PAF still needs to FIND the RIGHT system COMBO to fght IAF of 2018

IAF of 2009 (the year Thunder entered PAF service) had pnly 40 SU30 MKI

IAF of 2018 has 220 SU30MKI

Regarding FLANKERS read THIS first

your actually not helping your case here. The entire idea behind the PAF sending up new pilots up against the experienced veteran PLAAF pilots was to first, learn all capabilities of the SU family of fighters, second, learn all tactics the SU family of fighters is capable of deploying both physically and electronically and third, develop l, test and deploy effective physical and electronic tactics against it. The entire purpose of this exercise was to counter anything india has to offer. So if you think the iaf will have this same experience against the PAF in combat, rest assured, you would be very unpleasantly surprised. After all, there's a reason why THIS is our CCS insignia...

We had complete and total air supremacy during Kargil War. No air battles were fought and the IAF was not challenged by the PAF at any time during the war.

6500 unchallenged sorties. Higher than in the 1971 war.

Uhm...yyyyyeah... on your side of the loc because the PAF didn't have the need to cross over the other side. On our side of the loc, this is what happened to your so called air superiority...

when unchallenged, even a pigeon can claim "complete air superiority". But when challenged, THIS is what happens to the pigeon, its "air superiority" proves to be its "air stupidity"! yeh hay tumhari iaf ki so called air superiority ki asal auqaat.

 

[Hamza913]

Live under a rock for all i care,just told u the truth.
Look at ur foreign reserves and state of economy urself........pakistan wont last 5 days.

There is 0 comparison between jf-17+f-16 combo vs su-30mki+mig 29k+mirage 2000-5+upgraded jaguars(with aesa)+ soon to arrive rafale.

Any logical person can draw that conclusion.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

If it was that easy, you would have done it by now.

 

[Storm Force]

The entire idea behind the PAF sending up new pilots up against the experienced veteran PLAAF pilots was to first, learn all capabilities of the SU family of fighters, second, learn all tactics the SU family of fighters is capable of deploying both physically and electronically and third, develop l, test and deploy effective physical and electronic tactics against it. The entire purpose of this exercise was to counter anything india has to offer. So if you think the iaf will have this same experience against the PAF in combat, rest assured, you would be very unpleasantly surprised

You think THE PAF invented DACT (dissimlat air combat training) OR you think PAF is the only air power devising and honeing tactics

HAS IT NOT CROSSED your mind that since 2007 the indian air force has carried 15 DACT excercises between the SU30 MKI and the air forces of USA Israel RAF FRANCE UAE and almost permanently the F16 fleet of Singapore.

Training coming with tactics will not bridge the technology range payload capability GAP that exists between Thunders and the top end of the IAF ie 300 mki/rafale

FOR THAT you need F16/52 and above AND in numbers of 100+ to give the CORRECT system & force structure

ie

200 Thunders + 100 F16/52
200 Thunders + 100 J11
200 Thunders + 60 Typhoon or Rafale

OR POST 2025 50 J31

only WHEN PAF sorts out THE TIP OF THE SPEAR will the Thunder be MORE threatening

 

[GumNaam]

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

If it was that easy, you would have done it by now.

aray sonay day yaar baychaaroan, kiyon in kay sohaanay sapnay cheen rahay ho???

You think THE PAF invented DACT (dissimlat air combat training) OR you think PAF is the only air power devising and honeing tactics

HAS IT NOT CROSSED your mind that since 2007 the indian air force has carried 15 DACT excercises between the SU30 MKI and the air forces of USA Israel RAF FRANCE UAE and almost permanently the F16 fleet of Singapore.

Training coming with tactics will not bridge the tecgnology range payload capability GAP

FOR THAT you need F16/52 and above AND in numbers of 100+ to give the CORRECT system & force structure

ie

200 Thunders + 100 F16/52
200 Thunders + 100 J11
200 Thunders + 60 Typhoon or Rafale

OR POST 2025 50 J31

only WHEN PAF sorts out THE TIP OF THE SPEAR will the Thunder be MORE threatening

only 1 problem with your theory...we actually have access to whatever you can possibly have in your arsenal while you have absolutely NO access to the JF17 Thunder nor what's under its hoods.

 

[he-man]

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

If it was that easy, you would have done it by now.

Not everyone is suicidal like ur country.

 

[GumNaam]

Not everyone is suicidal like ur country.

Uhm, no...a country that says that it can win a two front war against a nuclear armed Pakistan AND a nuclear armed China is what you call suicidal! We are just there to help you along in you committing your suicide...

 

[Hamza913]

Not everyone is suicidal like ur country.

Not an adequate explanation, you invaded Pakistan in 1965 and 1971.

You also threatened to do so in 1999, 2002 and 2009, going as far as to prepare your military for a full scale war but backed off in each scenario. Ever wonder why?

 

[randomradio]

Uhm...yyyyyeah... on your side of the loc because the PAF didn't have the need to cross over the other side. On our side of the loc, this is what happened to your so called air superiority...

when unchallenged, even a pigeon can claim "complete air superiority". But when challenged, THIS is what happens to the pigeon, its "air superiority" proves to be its "air stupidity"! yeh hay tumhari iaf ki so called air superiority ki asal auqaat.

The PA shot down 1 helicopter and 1 Mig-21. The credit goes to the PA, not the PAF.

The PAF was way too stealthy during the way, completely invisible.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

If it was that easy, you would have done it by now.

Nope. We are not war mongers. We fight only when we are forced to. And you know exactly why our hand was forced in each war we have been in.

We believe our ability at diplomacy and political maneuvering is superior to our ability to wage war, so we are only playing to our strengths.

But if we are forced to fight, you already know what's our end game.

 

[Storm Force]

nly 1 problem with your theory...we actually have access to whatever you can possibly have in your arsenal while you have absolutely NO access to the JF17 Thunder nor what's under its hoods.

No Access to Thunder

BUT access to ten times the Budget $$$ to buy in the future OR license build be it LCA tejas gripen or Block 70
And the beyond that AMCA .

BELIEVE ME indian air force is in much better position than PAF now & Future & ALWAYS

 

[Daghalodi]

Pakistan needs to tap in chinese warplanes and stop relying on west now. Im sure China will help Pakistan in arming it to the teeth against India. Pakistan should look towards chinese fighter planes.