Pakistan's institutional failure, how can we make it better?

[Olympus81]

Every institution and every person submits themselves to the rule of law.

 

[TheSolution]

Every institution and every person submits themselves to the rule of law.

The bigger issue here is incompetency, very low quality human resource working in these institutions who aren't comparable to their foreign counterparts.

 

[nahtanbob]

Every institution and every person submits themselves to the rule of law.

powerful do not submit to the rule of law unless the underlings demand them

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[Genghis khan1]

Strict accountability. When people are punished for taking shortcuts in their daily duties, things will fix on it own. Capable folks will find their spots inside institutions on merits and system will start functioning again.

 

[Imran Khan]

Its not fixable now institutions rotten to core

 

[Genghis khan1]

Every institution and every person submits themselves to the rule of law.

For that law enforcement needs to be effective. Person with the biggest stick, mulk ky chokidar. Bajwa type don’t think corruption is a big deal, so here we are.

 

[Clutch]

The army and ISI are a very large institution, a part of me likes to think there's at least a few who have some gheirat and patriotism to do this. If not now then it must inevitable...

But the problems we face right now can only be solved from the top

The Army and ISI are the root cause of Pakistan's misery. They perpetuate the broken system because they benefit from it.

There are always a few good people in every organization. It's not about the constituents. It's about the whole.

 

[Paji]

The army being the most influential force should recognise this and lead institutional reforms across the country.

This has been tried many times before - by Yahya, Zia and Mushi. How did that work out for Pakistan ?

 

[Burger_King]

All well and good. But right now, Pakistan is in control of a dangerous cabal, which in the past and without any remorse or payback (i) killed an estimated one million plus Vietnamese for no rhyme or reason (ii) caused death of over 500k Iraqi children through unjust imposition of sanctions and (iii) helps and abates Israel's routine slaughter of Palestinians and their ethnic cleansing.

What evidence do I have for my rather controversial claim? Here is my proof:

1. For the longest while, cabal has wanted to degrade Pakistan's war fighting capabilities. This has most certainly been achieved over the last one year.

2. Cabal wants to reduce and then eliminate threat posed by independent minded "nationalist" politicians. We see this on a daily basis by police/judicial actions against PTI members and its allies.

3. Cabal targets free press. Again, that's what we have seen in Pakistan over the last one year.

4. Cabal selects the most depraved elements of society to implement its agenda. Evidence: Rana Sanaullah, Porno Nani and Khussi Billa

5. Cabal degrades moral fiber of society by promoting a degenerate agenda. We see this in Pakistan with promotion of LGBTQ+ agenda.

6. Targeting of foreign allies that have country's best interest at stake. We see this with killing of Chinese expats working for benefit of Pakistani society and by propaganda against Chinese infrastructure investment.

Why would cabal turn its guns against Pakistan?

Pakistan, while staying in western camp has shown a degree of independence very rarely displayed by other quisling muslim countries. Consider:

1. Pakistan's nuclear program

2. Pakistan's relationship with China.

3, Pakistan's refusal to countenance hegemony of depraved Bhartis

4. Pakistan's support of Taliban.


With the changing of world order from unipolar to multipolar, threat posed by Pakistan has come to the fore and hence country's descent into chaos and instability - something we have seen in the past when cabal targeted countries such as Syria and Iraq. Developments we see in Pak have close resemblance to what we have seen in the ME post WW2. Will the outcome be different in Pak? The only hope is rank and file of our beloved army. We can see that generals are compromised so they are of no use. But we should hope that jawans see the light.

On the question of institutions, I would argue the political system that operates in Pakistan has serious design flaws that allows enemies to easily get access to country's institutions. Institutional reform without political reform will lead to failure.

Implosion of Pakistan is a test case for China as well. By allowing cabal to get access to Pak, China will face the same problem that Russia is facing when cabal got control of Ukraine. China can forestall much more problems ahead if the country acts now.

We are in for interesting times.

 

[Kompromat]

Pakistan is brought to the brink by the imperial bureaucracy. If you want to reform the country, uproot the status quo left behind by the British occupation.

 

[truthseeker2010]

Back in 2012, a Pakistani professor named Farakh A. Khan issued a dire warning about the state of his country’s public institutions.

“Pakistan suffers from institutional failure,” he declared in an essay published about a year before his death. “Failed institutions are unable to correct the problems faced by the society and eventually lead to economic failure…If our leaders are sincere for change in Pakistan then they have to first get the institutions working again. But do they know how or have the will to do it?”

Today, the state of Pakistan’s institutions of governance remains poor, as illustrated by a slew of measures. The World Bank’s latest Worldwide Governance Indicators, based on data from 2016, rank Pakistan in the 29th percentile for government effectiveness, the 27th percentile for regulatory quality, the 20th percentile for rule of law, and the 19th percentile for control of corruption. Pakistan fell from 144th place in 2016 to 148th place in 2018 in the World Bank’s ease of doing business rankings. The latest United Nations Development Program Human Development report, published in 2017, ranks Pakistan 147th. The country improved its position on the World Economic Forum’s Global Competitiveness Index in 2017, though it was still a lowly 115th out of 137 countries, after coming out 122th in 2016.

The consequences of these struggles are stark and sobering: Ineffective institutions complicate efforts to develop and implement effective public policies. This means that Pakistan’s broader development challenges—which range from food, water, and energy insecurity to widespread public health epidemics and millions of out-of-school children—will remain in place, if not worsen.

Additionally, Pakistan’s institutional shortcomings pave the way for the military as well as problematic non-state actors—including charitable groups tied to militant organizations—to step in and fill service delivery roles that civilian institutions are unwilling or unable to serve. This dynamic not only further marginalizes civilian institutions—it also undermines the institution of democracy. In short, Pakistan’s institutional failures have troubling economic, development, and political implications for state and society.

Given the significance and far-reaching consequences of institutional struggles in Pakistan, the Wilson Center and the Fellowship Fund for Pakistan hosted an all-day conference on the topic in 2017. The event focused on the problems, but also on the encouraging reforms and success stories that highlight the possibilities for turning institutions around for the better.

A fully detailed analysis publication can be viewed here:

Pakistan's Institutions: We Know They Matter, But How Can They Work Better?

www.wilsoncenter.org

@Signalian @PanzerKiel @villageidiot @Olympus81 @Areesh @N.Siddiqui @ThunderCat @PakFactor @Meengla @hussain0216 @Maula Jatt @_NOBODY_ @Great Janjua @FuturePAF @akramishaqkhan @Al_Muhannad

This man died while saying what I've been saying on this forum, we need an entire institutional revamp with higher standards. Even the world recognises our problem is complete institutional failure.

A full decade passed. Even the rankings are from 5 years ago, when country was still somewhat functional.

The start of a solution begins with identifying a problem. The most unfortunate thing for this country is that people who runs these institutions don't want change because they are beneficiary of the very system that needs change and that too on war footings.

 

[ziaulislam]

Back in 2012, a Pakistani professor named Farakh A. Khan issued a dire warning about the state of his country’s public institutions.

“Pakistan suffers from institutional failure,” he declared in an essay published about a year before his death. “Failed institutions are unable to correct the problems faced by the society and eventually lead to economic failure…If our leaders are sincere for change in Pakistan then they have to first get the institutions working again. But do they know how or have the will to do it?”

Today, the state of Pakistan’s institutions of governance remains poor, as illustrated by a slew of measures. The World Bank’s latest Worldwide Governance Indicators, based on data from 2016, rank Pakistan in the 29th percentile for government effectiveness, the 27th percentile for regulatory quality, the 20th percentile for rule of law, and the 19th percentile for control of corruption. Pakistan fell from 144th place in 2016 to 148th place in 2018 in the World Bank’s ease of doing business rankings. The latest United Nations Development Program Human Development report, published in 2017, ranks Pakistan 147th. The country improved its position on the World Economic Forum’s Global Competitiveness Index in 2017, though it was still a lowly 115th out of 137 countries, after coming out 122th in 2016.

The consequences of these struggles are stark and sobering: Ineffective institutions complicate efforts to develop and implement effective public policies. This means that Pakistan’s broader development challenges—which range from food, water, and energy insecurity to widespread public health epidemics and millions of out-of-school children—will remain in place, if not worsen.

Additionally, Pakistan’s institutional shortcomings pave the way for the military as well as problematic non-state actors—including charitable groups tied to militant organizations—to step in and fill service delivery roles that civilian institutions are unwilling or unable to serve. This dynamic not only further marginalizes civilian institutions—it also undermines the institution of democracy. In short, Pakistan’s institutional failures have troubling economic, development, and political implications for state and society.

Given the significance and far-reaching consequences of institutional struggles in Pakistan, the Wilson Center and the Fellowship Fund for Pakistan hosted an all-day conference on the topic in 2017. The event focused on the problems, but also on the encouraging reforms and success stories that highlight the possibilities for turning institutions around for the better.

A fully detailed analysis publication can be viewed here:

Pakistan's Institutions: We Know They Matter, But How Can They Work Better?

www.wilsoncenter.org

@Signalian @PanzerKiel @villageidiot @Olympus81 @Areesh @N.Siddiqui @ThunderCat @PakFactor @Meengla @hussain0216 @Maula Jatt @_NOBODY_ @Great Janjua @FuturePAF @akramishaqkhan @Al_Muhannad

This man died while saying what I've been saying on this forum, we need an entire institutional revamp with higher standards. Even the world recognises our problem is complete institutional failure.

1-Abolish CCS (was proposed never passed)
2-Abolish pensions (instead setup equity GP fund)
3-Abolish all freebies instead increase their pay for beurocrats
4-Abolish batman's and personal servants
5-Take away all the powers of AC and DC and give them to local bodies
6-Abolish FBR and send them to prison, may be hang a few
7-Create a new CBR with new people
8-Create tracka nd trace system those who oppose it should be shot
9-Hang all the core commanders invlved ins shady business
10-Ban all army business and societies
11-Deregulation of power sector ..govt shouldnt fix oil prices
12-Privatize pia, steels mills and all distribution companies
13-Sell govt infrastructures to get revenues
14-Decrease govt size by 30% except for education and health department
15-Bring an IT expert to difitilaize everything
16-Create an independent SBP. If you can't do use Indian rupee or American dollar
17-Once able to propose green bonds for massive dam building to stimulate growth
18-Establishment a system for mortgage
19-Establish special courts for dispute settlement within 30 days
20-Build special economic zones near the costs at gaddanai keti bunder, O'Mara and gawadar
21-Stream line revenues from WB AB IB & AIIB
22-educate punjabis and Pathans that they live in same country and same laws should apply to both of them
23-Prosecute and hang all those involved in extra judicial killing and allowing drones attacks(extra judicial killing) especially the retired generals
24-Anyone should be able to search people properties online for govt employees

 

[Riz]

there is no institution in pakistan , all are under working for gay head quarter rawalpindi , jo woh bolain gay wahi karain gay , badmashi ha bhai unki

 

[TheSolution]

1-Abolish CCS (was proposed never passed)
2-Abolish pensions (instead setup equity GP fund)
3-Abolish all freebies instead increase their pay for beurocrats
4-Abolish batman's and personal servants
5-Take away all the powers of AC and DC and give them to local bodies
6-Abolish FBR and send them to prison, may be hang a few
7-Create a new CBR with new people
8-Create tracka nd trace system those who oppose it should be shot
9-Hang all the core commanders invlved ins shady business
10-Ban all army business and societies
11-Deregulation of power sector ..govt shouldnt fix oil prices
12-Privatize pia, steels mills and all distribution companies
13-Sell govt infrastructures to get revenues
14-Decrease govt size by 30% except for education and health department
15-Bring an IT expert to difitilaize everything
16-Create an independent SBP. If you can't do use Indian rupee or American dollar
17-Once able to propose green bonds for massive dam building to stimulate growth
18-Establishment a system for mortgage
19-Establish special courts for dispute settlement within 30 days
20-Build special economic zones near the costs at gaddanai keti bunder, O'Mara and gawadar
21-Stream line revenues from WB AB IB & AIIB
22-educate punjabis and Pathans that they live in same country and same laws should apply to both of them
23-Prosecute and hang all those involved in extra judicial killing and allowing drones attacks(extra judicial killing) especially the retired generals
24-Anyone should be able to search people properties online for govt employees

As long as an active insurgency continues in Pakistan, extrajudicial killings should be allowed.

Banning extrajudicial killings slows everything down and makes this inefficient and ineffective. I'm being a realist here instead of playing on feelings.

I agree with everything else.

But for all of your suggestions to work long term we must strictly follow the below:

- Strong policy of meritocracy followed in all institutions, the selection process must be more strict and only experienced and qualified individuals should be hired. NO NEPOTISM.

- Form a government body that mintors the productivity and quality of all institutions, if they are functioning to an acceptable high standard as they should. Otherwise reform and replace, reorganise.

- Form an anti-corruption body that identifies institutional corruption, the punishment for institutional corruption should be 10 year jail sentence and 50% of your assets being suspended by the state.

The above is the real reason for our institutional failure, nepotism makes them useless and ineffective. Corruption makes everything worse and brings us to the current defaulted state.

 

[ziaulislam]

As long as an active insurgency continues in Pakistan, extrajudicial killings should be allowed.

Banning extrajudicial killings slows everything down and makes this inefficient and ineffective. I'm being a realist here instead of playing on feelings.

I agree with everything else.

But for all of your suggestions to work long term we must strictly follow the below:

- Strong policy of meritocracy followed in all institutions, the selection process must be more strict and only experienced and qualified individuals should be hired. NO NEPOTISM.

- Form a government body that mintors the productivity and quality of all institutions, if they are functioning to an acceptable high standard as they should. Otherwise reform and replace, reorganise.

- Form an anti-corruption body that identifies institutional corruption, the punishment for institutional corruption should be 10 year jail sentence and 50% of your assets being suspended by the state.

The above is the real reason for our institutional failure, nepotism makes them useless and ineffective. Corruption makes everything worse and brings us to the current defaulted state.

Hiring contract killers shouldnt be reserved for army police only. We should allow a day where everyone can kill everyone for fun. Why should army only enjoy killing