Pakistanis Hotter than Indians

[denel]

man, terrible insecurities, soon adverts for skin whiteners will follow.

 

[ghoul]

Wow, how did this go from Pakistan vs Indian to Punjabi vs Pathan? :S

And man, so many immature, insecure trolls in this thread. It's rather amusing. Haha.

Because he lives in Lahore since childhood, and anyone who can speak urdu can also speak Lahori punjabi if he lives in Punjab thats it. I am not saying urdu speakers from Karachi can learn punjabi quickly but those in punjab can. Because it has lots of similar arabic/persian words in it.

Lahori Punjabi is highly "urdufied". Real Punjabi is what Saeen Zahoor speaks, and is very similar to Sindhi in my opinion.

 

[syedali73]

Not every Niazi is Punjabi/seraiki speaker, those in KPK and Afghanistan are fully Pashtuns........A Niazi of Afghanistan is very different from a Niazi of Mianwali, not just by looks but also by language, culture, dress, customs etc.....Niazis of Afghanistan are indistinguishable from Ghilzais . The ones in Mianwali have not lost just their ancestral pashto language but also they couldnt fully maintain the spirit and ways of pashtuns. Their seraiki songs and poems lack pashtun-ness.

In other words, they have evolved and become civilized unlike their Afghan brethren. I see nothing wrong with this.

 

[Kabira]

Not every Niazi is Punjabi/seraiki speaker, those in KPK and Afghanistan are fully Pashtuns........A Niazi of Afghanistan is very different from a Niazi of Mianwali, not just by looks but also by language, culture, dress, customs etc.....Niazis of Afghanistan are indistinguishable from Ghilzais . The ones in Mianwali have not lost just their ancestral pashto language but also they couldnt fully maintain the spirit and ways of pashtuns. Their seraiki songs and poems lack pashtun-ness.

Seraiki is sweet language.

 

[Asian.Century]

Not every Niazi is Punjabi/seraiki speaker, those in KPK and Afghanistan are fully Pashtuns........A Niazi of Afghanistan is very different from a Niazi of Mianwali, not just by looks but also by language, culture, dress, customs etc.....Niazis of Afghanistan are indistinguishable from Ghilzais . The ones in Mianwali have not lost just their ancestral pashto language but also they couldnt fully maintain the spirit and ways of pashtuns. Their seraiki songs and poems lack pashtun-ness.

Yup genearlly correct its the naming which confuses, NIAZI of Punjab-Pasthoons from Mianwali Punjab have another name called from their tribe NIAZAI, notice NIA-ZAI tribe. Hence Defining Punjabis correctly and carefully makes things clearer as do defining Pashtuns:

Defining Punjabis:

Punjabi people ( پنجابی (Shahmukhi)), Punjab literally means the land of five waters (Persian:پنج آب panj ("five") āb.
The coalescence of the various tribes, castes and the inhabitants of the Punjab into a broader common "Punjabi" identity initiated from the onset of the 18th century CE by Iranian and North Turkic Muslims. Prior to that the sense and perception of a common "Punjabi" ethno-cultural identity and community did not exist, even though the majority of the various communities of the Punjab had long shared linguistic, cultural and racial commonalities.Punjabi is more general in types of race and tribal attribution as compared to other ethnicites.

Traditionally, Punjabi identity is primarily linguistic, geographical and cultural. Its identity is independent of race, color, creed or religion, and refers to those for whom the Punjabi language(s) is the first language or recognizable language and those who reside in the Punjab region and associate with its population. Integration and assimilation are important parts of Punjabi culture, since Punjabi identity is not based tribal connections or race. More or less all Punjabis share the same cultural background.

raditionally, the Punjabi people was a heterogeneous group and was subdivided into a number of clans called biradari (literally meaning "brotherhood") or tribes, with each person bound to a clan. However, Punjabi identity also included those who did not belong to any of the historical tribes. With the passage of time tribal structures are coming to an end and are being replaced with more cohesive and holistic society. That is why community building and group cohesiveness form the new pillars of Punjabi society.

So anyone with grand parents and parents living in Punjab and know Punjabi culture and speak Punjabi language are called PUNJABI.

Defining Pashtuns / Pukhtuns:

he Pashtun people (Pashto: پښتانه‎ Pax̌tānə, Pukhtun in the northern dialects), and Pathans in Hindi-Urdu پٹھان Paṭhān), is an ethnic group with populations in Afghanistan and Pakistan, mainly in and around the tribal areas between the two countries.[19] The Pashtun people are generally classified as Eastern Iranian who use Pashto language and follow Pashtunwali, which is a traditional set of ethics guiding individual and communal conduct. Their origin is unclear but historians have come across references to various ancient peoples called Pakthas (Pactyans) between the 2nd and the 1st millennium BC,[20][21] who may be the early ancestors of the Pashtun people. Often characterised as a warrior and martial race, their history is mostly spread amongst various countries of South and Central Asia, centred on their traditional seat of power in medieval Afghanistan.

mong historians, anthropologists, and the Pashtuns themselves, there is some debate as to who exactly qualifies as a Pashtun. The most prominent views are:

1. Pashtuns are predominantly an Eastern Iranian people, who use Pashto as their first language, and live in Afghanistan and Pakistan. This is the generally accepted academic view.[39]
2. They are those who follow Pashtunwali.[92]
3. In accordance with the legend of Qais Abdur Rashid, the figure traditionally regarded as their progenitor, Pashtuns are those whose related patrilineal descent may be traced back to legendary times.

These three definitions may be described as the ethno-linguistic definition, the religious-cultural definition, and the patrilineal definition, respectively.

Ethnic definition
The ethno-linguistic definition is the most prominent and accepted view as to who is and is not a Pashtun.[93] Generally, this most common view holds that Pashtuns are defined within the parameters of having mainly eastern Iranian ethnic origins, sharing a common language, culture and history, living in relatively close geographic proximity to each other, and acknowledging each other as kinsmen. Thus, tribes that speak disparate yet mutually intelligible dialects of Pashto acknowledge each other as ethnic Pashtuns and even subscribe to certain dialects as "proper", such as the Pukhto spoken by the Yousafzai in Peshawar and the Pashto spoken by the Durrani in Kandahar. These criteria tend to be used by most Pashtuns in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Cultural definition
The religious and cultural definition requires Pashtuns to be Muslim and adhere to Pashtunwali codes.[94] This is the most prevalent view among orthodox and conservative tribesmen, who refuse to recognise any non-Muslim as a Pashtun. Pashtun intellectuals and academics, however, tend to be more flexible and sometimes define who is Pashtun based on other criteria. Pashtun society is not homogenous by religion: the overwhelming majority of them are Sunni, with a tiny Shia community (the Turi and partially the Bangash tribe) in the Kurram and Orakzai agencies of FATA, Pakistan. Pakistani Jews and Afghan Jews, have largely relocated to Israel and the United States.[95]

 

[ghoul]

How would define a real Punjabi from unreal Punjabi ? please elaborate

Relax, I was talking about the language, not race. Lahori Punjabi is obviously urdufied.

 

[Kabira]

Yup genearlly correct its the naming which confuses, NIAZI of Punjab-Pasthoons from Mianwali Punjab have another name called from their tribe NIAZAI, notice NIA-ZAI tribe. Hence Defining Punjabis correctly and carefully makes things clearer as do defining Pashtuns:

Defining Punjabis:

Punjabi people ( پنجابی (Shahmukhi)), Punjab literally means the land of five waters (Persian:پنج آب panj ("five") āb.
The coalescence of the various tribes, castes and the inhabitants of the Punjab into a broader common "Punjabi" identity initiated from the onset of the 18th century CE. Prior to that the sense and perception of a common "Punjabi" ethno-cultural identity and community did not exist, even though the majority of the various communities of the Punjab had long shared linguistic, cultural and racial commonalities.Punjabi is more general in types of race and tribal attribution as compared to other ethnicites.

Traditionally, Punjabi identity is primarily linguistic, geographical and cultural. Its identity is independent of race, color, creed or religion, and refers to those for whom the Punjabi language(s) is the first language or recognizable language and those who reside in the Punjab region and associate with its population. Integration and assimilation are important parts of Punjabi culture, since Punjabi identity is not based tribal connections or race. More or less all Punjabis share the same cultural background.

raditionally, the Punjabi people was a heterogeneous group and was subdivided into a number of clans called biradari (literally meaning "brotherhood") or tribes, with each person bound to a clan. However, Punjabi identity also included those who did not belong to any of the historical tribes. With the passage of time tribal structures are coming to an end and are being replaced with more cohesive and holistic society. That is why community building and group cohesiveness form the new pillars of Punjabi society.

So anyone with grand parents and parents living in Punjab and know Punjabi culture and speak Punjabi language are called PUNJABI.

Defining Pashtuns / Pukhtuns:

he Pashtun people (Pashto: پښتانه‎ Pax̌tānə, Pukhtun in the northern dialects), and Pathans in Hindi-Urdu پٹھان Paṭhān), is an ethnic group with populations in Afghanistan and Pakistan, mainly in and around the tribal areas between the two countries.[19] The Pashtun people are generally classified as Eastern Iranian who use Pashto language and follow Pashtunwali, which is a traditional set of ethics guiding individual and communal conduct. Their origin is unclear but historians have come across references to various ancient peoples called Pakthas (Pactyans) between the 2nd and the 1st millennium BC,[20][21] who may be the early ancestors of the Pashtun people. Often characterised as a warrior and martial race, their history is mostly spread amongst various countries of South and Central Asia, centred on their traditional seat of power in medieval Afghanistan.

mong historians, anthropologists, and the Pashtuns themselves, there is some debate as to who exactly qualifies as a Pashtun. The most prominent views are:

1. Pashtuns are predominantly an Eastern Iranian people, who use Pashto as their first language, and live in Afghanistan and Pakistan. This is the generally accepted academic view.[39]
2. They are those who follow Pashtunwali.[92]
3. In accordance with the legend of Qais Abdur Rashid, the figure traditionally regarded as their progenitor, Pashtuns are those whose related patrilineal descent may be traced back to legendary times.

These three definitions may be described as the ethno-linguistic definition, the religious-cultural definition, and the patrilineal definition, respectively.

Ethnic definition
The ethno-linguistic definition is the most prominent and accepted view as to who is and is not a Pashtun.[93] Generally, this most common view holds that Pashtuns are defined within the parameters of having mainly eastern Iranian ethnic origins, sharing a common language, culture and history, living in relatively close geographic proximity to each other, and acknowledging each other as kinsmen. Thus, tribes that speak disparate yet mutually intelligible dialects of Pashto acknowledge each other as ethnic Pashtuns and even subscribe to certain dialects as "proper", such as the Pukhto spoken by the Yousafzai in Peshawar and the Pashto spoken by the Durrani in Kandahar. These criteria tend to be used by most Pashtuns in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Cultural definition
The religious and cultural definition requires Pashtuns to be Muslim and adhere to Pashtunwali codes.[94] This is the most prevalent view among orthodox and conservative tribesmen, who refuse to recognise any non-Muslim as a Pashtun. Pashtun intellectuals and academics, however, tend to be more flexible and sometimes define who is Pashtun based on other criteria. Pashtun society is not homogenous by religion: the overwhelming majority of them are Sunni, with a tiny Shia community (the Turi and partially the Bangash tribe) in the Kurram and Orakzai agencies of FATA, Pakistan. Pakistani Jews and Afghan Jews, have largely relocated to Israel and the United States.[95]

You are not makng any sense, even your article says punjabi is linguistic identity. So Misbah pathan by race and punjabi by language. Interestingly i have never seen anyone identify as punjabi in rural areas. Only in cities and foreign countries when talking to other people.

Wow, how did this go from Pakistan vs Indian to Punjabi vs Pathan? :S

And man, so many immature, insecure trolls in this thread. It's rather amusing. Haha.



Lahori Punjabi is highly "urdufied". Real Punjabi is what Saeen Zahoor speaks, and is very similar to Sindhi in my opinion.

True, especially compared to rural areas. I don't think punjabi is that easy, the one which is spoken in rural areas.

 

[Samandri]

Yup genearlly correct its the naming which confuses, NIAZI of Punjab-Pasthoons from Mianwali Punjab have another name called from their tribe NIAZAI, notice NIA-ZAI tribe. Hence Defining Punjabis correctly and carefully makes things clearer as do defining Pashtuns:

Actually the ones in Afghanistan are also called "Niazi", it is the proper word.....The Nia-zai word , mentioned in Wikipedia, has no basis and is pure speculation. Niazis are descendents of a person by name of Niazaey or Niazi, not "Nia". Niazi word is mentioned as such in 15th century historical records and mughal documents, we do not find Nia-zai any where.

Niazis of Mianwali can call themselves Punjabis but they can not declare the whole Niazi tribe as Punjabi or Seraiki. One of the branch of Niazis, marhals, even live in Balochistan, they speak pashto. Kundis of Tank are also Niazis. Some even live in India and speak urdu as their mother tongue.

 

[ghoul]

True, especially compared to rural areas. I don't think punjabi is that easy, the one which is spoken in rural areas.

I have trouble sometimes when communicating with people from Gujrat. Their words aren't really that different as Gujrati Punjabi has pothwari influences, but their accent is a bit hard to understand.

 

[Asian.Century]

You are not makng any sense, even your article says punjabi is linguistic identity. So Misbah pathan by race and punjabi by language. Interestingly i have never seen anyone identify as punjabi in rural areas. Only in cities and foreign countries when talking to other people.

The article says, Punjabi is not anymore defined by tribals, etc but more general term with people who have some ancestors and if u r born in the region of Punjab around five rivers despite anyother ethnic heritage, and who can speak Punjabi is called Pakistani PUNJABI.

PUNJABI is now a more a mix of different tribes, castes and the inhabitants into one Punjabi may u call it Paktoon-Punjabis, Seraiki Punjabi, Kashmir-Punjabis, with the definition of PUNJABI, you are all living in Punjab region and speak Punjabi are now PUNJABI... just a simple clarification.

 

[Zibago]

Not every Niazi is Punjabi/seraiki speaker, those in KPK and Afghanistan are fully Pashtuns........A Niazi of Afghanistan is very different from a Niazi of Mianwali, not just by looks but also by language, culture, dress, customs etc.....Niazis of Afghanistan are indistinguishable from Ghilzais . The ones in Mianwali have not lost just their ancestral pashto language but also they couldnt fully maintain the spirit and ways of pashtuns. Their seraiki songs and poems lack pashtun-ness.

Kameez taindhi kali ne sonay phulan wali phawain wanjhay to walait asan karni ni rait tenu lay kay jana ey mianwali

The article says, Punjabi is not anymore defined by tribals, etc but more general term with people who have some ancestors and if u r born in the region of Punjab around five rivers despite anyother ethnic heritage of century, who can speak Punjabi is called Pakistani PUNJABI.

PUNJABI is now a more a mix of different tribes, castes and the inhabitants into one Punjabi may u call it Paktoon-Punjabis, Seraiki Punjabi, Kashmir-Punjabis, with the definition of PUNJABI, you are all living in Punjab region and speak Punjabi are now PUNJABI... just a simple clarification.

Yep even Uighyurs of Rawalpindi are now punjabi

Well you might call me a weirdo but i find bronze skin girls hotter than fair skin girls

 

[Kabira]

I have trouble sometimes when communicating with people from Gujrat. Their words aren't really that different as Gujrati Punjabi has pothwari influences, but their accent is a bit hard to understand.

The real difficulty i noticed was speaking to hindko person, maybe gujrati punjabi have pathwari influence thats why its not that difficult for me compared to hindko. And shahpuri which is spoken in Sargodha/Mandi bahuddin seem to be central punjabi majha+potohari hybrid.

 

[Asian.Century]

Well you might call me a weirdo but i find bronze skin girls hotter than fair skin girls

Bronze skin, are u refering to Indians?

u might fancy Latinos then.

 

[ghoul]

The real difficulty i noticed was speaking to hindko person, maybe gujrati punjabi have pathwari influence thats why its not that difficult for me compared to hindko. And shahpuri which is spoken in Sargodha/Mandi bahuddin seem to be central punjabi majha+potohari hybrid.

I find Hindko very easy to understand. On tv, I have no trouble understanding Majha dialect, but in real life, it's only the real fast accent which makes it a bit hard. As for Sargodha dialect, it sounds quite similar to Seraiki to me. I'm not sure what they speak in Mandi though. I have been to Mandi Bahuddin nonetheless. I would like to invite a lot of keyboard warriors on this site to talk shit in mandi. haha.

 

[Kabira]

The article says, Punjabi is not anymore defined by tribals, etc but more general term with people who have some ancestors and if u r born in the region of Punjab around five rivers despite anyother ethnic heritage, and who can speak Punjabi is called Pakistani PUNJABI.

PUNJABI is now a more a mix of different tribes, castes and the inhabitants into one Punjabi may u call it Paktoon-Punjabis, Seraiki Punjabi, Kashmir-Punjabis, with the definition of PUNJABI, you are all living in Punjab region and speak Punjabi are now PUNJABI... just a simple clarification.

Yes punjabis in cities obviously are not that tribal anymore, but you guys even speak punjabi in Lahore? I guess 95% speak urdu only.