MastanKhan
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Great point. It's not just the US and Europe that'd be concerned about this. China and Russia already have one North Korea to worry about, do they really want another? Or a nation helping to facilitate the creation of one?
Of course not. Even without actually using the devices, they are politically and economically disruptive for a nation that possesses them. Sanctions, UN actions, political isolation, the kinds of nations that'd buy nukes from a North Korea or Ex-Soviet state - when they still had them - or Pakistan are the kinds that China's making good with at the moment and Russia has strong historical ties with... well, apart from Poland's more extreme elements anyway, but as if the US would even entertain the suggestion of leasing its nukes in such a way. And if Pakistan seeks to sell such weapons it could undo Russia and Chinese support or influence over those nations or make supporting them politically and economically costly
And beyond the political and economic considerations, I'm not even able to convince myself that certain nations wouldn't use the devices either. Could we trust either Sudan? Or some of the more instable nations in North Africa and the Middle-East? Aren't these the nations Pakistan counts itself friends with?
I can't say. But it's an unacceptable risk. Not just for Europe or the US, but for China, Russia and the greater region too.
I do forgive them, and enjoy poking both sides from time-to-time because of the jingoism that sprouts up. It's an irrational suggestions, selling nukes. But even building them to threaten nations in Europe or North America is hardly without risks. As I wrote to Flamer, it carries political and economic implications. Despite the bravado, Pakistan can't rely on Chinese goodwill alone - Russia's trying that at the moment, since European and US sanctions following its adventurism into Ukraine and Syria. It's not working and China hasn't been able to pick up the slack that Russia lost from Europe.
Nations that have threatened the US with nuclear weapons are stuck in the mid-20th century. Cuba tried it; got embargoed. North Korea tried it; hardly a success story there either. It's not a viable solution.
And it's irrational. Of course Pakistanis are angry the US is requiring Pakistan to pay for its own aircraft without US money, but with Pakistanis suggesting Russian alternatives do we think Russia is going to allow Pakistan FMS money? Nope, they'll want to be paid too.
So how's the US' demand any different from what Russia would do? How would Russian alternatives, notoriously costly to support long-term, be less costly? This is just a case of people throwing a tantrum because their subsidies are being cut. Which you, being a business guy should know rarely goes over well with a population - Egypt and Venezuela can offer examples of unrest following subsidies cuts.
I forgive your compatriots, but also wish they'd take more time to think about these things before writing them. There are consequences that haven't been considered.
Same with the US, China and Russia. The others have them and we can't be left without them. France is somewhat of a holdover, and so is the UK. North Korea is pursuing a viable nuclear deterrent because of the three bigs too.
This is why unilateral disarmament is a pipe dream and total disarmament is unreasonable. So long as mistrust reigns in their relationships these types of weapons will persist as part of an enduring stockpile.
Sweden once had a nuclear weapons program. Poor little Norway would have had to get them too keep Sweden honest.
Though that would be through a NATO nuclear weapons sharing agreement instead.
Very tiring, but rewarding, We cater business lunches - I do bake things other then pastries, but I like them best - dinners and most often breakfasts. Unfortunetly, most of the large businesses aren't HQ'd in Sandefjord, and Oslo is 2 hours away.
If I'm driving, I have to leave really, really early to make it before breakfast starts, as I need time to deliver and help setup for the occurance.
I'm not the only employee I employ though, just the one that works most in the mornings. Being a manager sucks that way... being the owner is even worse.
Nah, just raw dough. Actually, I got in trouble for being off-topic a few days ago, so I'm being more careful until that blows over. I think the mods like me though. Or at least Waz does.
I actually had to look croquembouche up. I don't know if I could do it. Looks dangerous.
Danishes are something I do a lot, pies and cakes too. Donuts are another. I can't say anyone's ever ordered a croquembouche before, but maybe I'll look to expand into France?
Hi,
That was the deal that the U S made with pakistan---that with those funds---pakistan would be able to procure U S weapons.
We never asked anything for free that was not a part of the deal.
The consequences are going to terrible for all your LILLY white and Pink ar-ses of scandanivian countries if there is a nuc blow out between Pak and india---.
So---stop your bit-ching session---look a little beyond what you are seeing and find a way that this conflict stays conventional---and the best way to do that is arming pak with conventional weapons to keep parity.