Pakistan sells Soviet-Era artillery to Ukraine

[Tameem]

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which side is china supporting in the war? isnt there a respect for chinese POV or is there any sort of understanding?

at the beginning of the war, Pakistan was clearly with Russia - with Imran Khan the only foreign head to be in Russia and never condemned it.
at the worst case, Pakistan wanted to be neutral so as to not be in opposing camp with China.
looks like Pak is being pulled in both ways and hasn't made up its mind - Chinese camp? US camp? neutral?

Pakistan was never been anyone's camp ever...except on its own. Period.
Our core interests were always, Animosity with India, Kashmir, Afghanistan and Palestine, we never deviates or compromise on these ever...Period.

We were member of SEATO and SENTO for supposedly encircling soviets but use the arms and ammunition's against India at the opportune time (65 War), No one can stop us.
In Arab-Israeli wars, where Egypt and Syria were completely in Soviets camps, We jumps from US camps and add and abet Arabs, Can anyone stop us...NO.
We use Soviets invasion of Afghanistan to accumulates F16s to counter India and pursue a successful atomic program, avoiding NPT, CTBT against all odds. No one dares to stop us.
Post 9/11, we never cease our relations with Taliban and other groups despite receiving threats to be sent out in stone age and in the end prevails to retain strategic depth against all odds once again.

So, my dears...Don't under estimates Pakistan resolves and resilience. We are in our own league with no competitor whatsoever.

 

[blain2]

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Replace Bajwa's picture with IK and the one on the left with a Russian flag and Putin and you get the same. Munafiqat continues unabated.

The hell with Russia! We should make hay while the sun shines in each direction. Sell more to Ukraine just like Turkey does and while we do so, we should continue our ties with Ukraine, China and the West.

By the way, do remind me, what has PTI's new-found love with Russia delivered to Pakistan? Exactly NOTHING!

At least I give credit to Ukraine for helping Pakistan all of these years with military support while we got NOTHING from Russia. Our armored corps heavily relies on Ukraine, our strategic air lift capacity is of Ukrainian origin, and many other ordnance elements have had Ukrainian support. What do we owe to the Russians?

Kudos to the establishment for realizing the "benefits" to Pakistan with our alignment and for not letting Pakistan continue down a path to nowhere.

 

[Tameem]

Replace Bajwa's picture with IK and the one on the left with a Russian flag and Putin and you get the same. Munafiqat continues unabated.

Its was only those 3-4 years under IK, when we fails miserably to safeguards our interests on Kashmir and India allowed to stage 5-August 2019.
We always keep LOC flares up but due to the one sided friendship of Imran-Trump, Kashmir Insurgency dies down. No movement on CSF.
Thanks God, this donkey king and Trump lappy is outsted and Pakistan once again moves towards its historically absolute best.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Replace Bajwa's picture with IK and the one on the left with a Russian flag and Putin and you get the same. Munafiqat continues unabated.

The hell with Russia! We should make hay while the sun shines in each direction. Sell more to Ukraine just like Turkey does and while we do so, we should continue our ties with Ukraine, China and the West.

By the way, do remind me, what has PTI's new-found love with Russia delivered to Pakistan? Exactly NOTHING!

At least I give credit to Ukraine for helping Pakistan all of these years with military support while we got NOTHING from Russia. Our armored corps heavily relies on Ukraine, our strategic air lift capacity is of Ukrainian origin, and many other ordnance elements have had Ukrainian support. What do we owe to the Russians?

Kudos to the establishment for realizing the "benefits" to Pakistan with our alignment and for not letting Pakistan continue down a path to nowhere.

Imran Khan was trying to negotiate deals for wheat and gas. Something that would have helped the people of Pakistan in the global recession and would have definitely helped flood disaster victims.

His policy on Russia-Ukraine conflict was neutrality, something milstablishment has no idea about.

He was not polishing boots.

Tell me what did Bajra get for polishing boots?

His bank account balance inflated, his nation destroyed, and a few parts for F solan?

I can’t believe you can actually sleep at night.

 

[aziqbal]

Well done Pakistan

Europeans have been fighting for 1000s of years and when not fighting each other they are killing poor Africans and Middle East

usually America is given weapons to both sides

Great to see Pakistan do the same back

 

[blain2]

Imran Khan was trying to negotiate deals for wheat and gas. Something that would have helped the people of Pakistan in the world recession and would have definitely helped flood disaster victims.

His policy on Russia-Ukraine conflict was neutrality, something milstablishment has no idea about.

He was not polishing boots.

Tell me what did Bajra get for polishing boots?

His bank account balance inflated, his nation destroyed, and a few parts for F solan?

I can’t believe you can actually sleep at night.

Sure IK was doing all of that and only HE was doing that for Pakistan. You obviously have no idea who was greasing the skids for all of those foreign engagements for IK. It was his point man on FP, Gen Bajwa. So that continuity comes from the establishment, not from IK. Ask the boys in Foreign Office how many times the sitting CoAS had to reach out to the foreign leaders because his boss in ISB had no tact to deal with the foreign leadership and his big mouth had actually derailed things.

On top of that, the one who still claims "I know the west the best" knows them the least.

When he was in office, IK polished Chinese, IMF, Saudi, Emerati boots just like the current crop is doing. No difference. If there is some, it is in your head because you are bought in on the whole IK propaganda. You folks believe he walks on water. He does not.

 

[Black.Mamba]

@Signalian You will still deny it?
You were adamant that my source was wrong and that Pakistan was not in the position to supply any ammunition whatsoever. So is it possible that you might be wrong on other occasions too?

 

[doorstar]

we got NOTHING from Russia

"the greatest leader ever" was gonna get crude at a discount.

wonder how the retards here and elsewhere think his [un]holiness was going to pay for it (Russia is not K.S.A) or refine it into petroleum products

we got NOTHING from Russia

oh yes we did, we got December 71 and December 79 (what was Putin's profession in 79 and the whole of the 80s?

 

[alphapak]

oh yes we did, we got December 71 and December 79 (what was Putin 1n 79 and the whole of the 80s?

What did you get from America? Drone strikes, Salala spanking, humiliating Bin
Laden raid, TTP that killed 80 000 Pakistani's. The list can go on, Americans have been
a curse for Pakistan but a blessing for the Generals who got plenty of dollars for selling themselves.

By the way, do remind me, what has PTI's new-found love with Russia delivered to Pakistan? Exactly NOTHING!

Building foreign relations takes time, Pak could have got oil and wheat at 30% discount. The price of Petrol and diesel has shot up since IK was ousted. It could of helped the poor of Pakistan.

Also Pak Army is buying Russian helicopters, the engines for JF17 Thunder come from which country?

 

[diligence]

If this news is indeed true, there's hardly any surprise in that. If Russians can sell their latest weapon systems to India and Israelis can (indirectly) sell their weapons to Iran, what's new in Pakistan selling some munitions to Ukraine? It's all part of the game of national interest for every country.

We Pakistanis take things a little differently. For example, we became a part of SEATO and CENTO to get American arms and then assumed that we would be free to use those arms against India too. We were unable or unwilling to read the fine print. And devil is normally in details of the fine print. So, when we did that in 1965, Americans imposed an arms embargo on us right in the middle of the war.

Also, we Pakistanis try to find an emotional part or link in the international agreements. However, international relations are very different from our personal relations. There exists no such thing as an emotional aspect in international relations (with an exception of the cases of our relations with Turkey and KSA).

A desire of having good and mutually beneficial relations with Russia does not really stop Russia supplying arms to India and then why that desire would stop us selling munitions to Ukraine? International relations are a multidimensional affair. You cooperate with another country to the extent that serves your supreme national interest the best - no less and no more.

 

[PakistaniandProud]

Replace Bajwa's picture with IK and the one on the left with a Russian flag and Putin and you get the same. Munafiqat continues unabated.

The difference is, IK and PTI supporters don't "worship" Russia as some kind of saint like Patwaris worship the west and money.

 

[doorstar]

Its was only those 3-4 years under IK, when we fails miserably to safeguards our interests on Kashmir and India allowed to stage 5-August 2019.
We always keep LOC flares up but due to the one sided friendship of Imran-Trump, Kashmir Insurgency dies down. No movement on CSF.

do you know what his all-knowing highness said when bharat made air incursions into Pakistan and he was advised to go to the Parliament to announce a retaliation? and on the night of the raids who stopped the destruction of the intruders. ( clue: main UN ja k complain keroon ga or atam bam ka hawala doon ga to phir sub dar jai ge)

Thanks God, this donkey king and Trump lappy is outsted and Pakistan once again moves towards its historically absolute best.

have you ever heard him praising trump? the trump who said "we give them billions and billions and billions but in return they kill our soldiers" and he stopped all Pakistani dues and military aid.

oh, and who said "I feel as if I have won the cricket world cup again" after meeting with the same Trump?

who saved your drug lord sana ullah? who let the fat chor escape against all advice?

 

[PakFactor]

Sure IK was doing all of that and only HE was doing that for Pakistan. You obviously have no idea who was greasing the skids for all of those foreign engagements for IK. It was his point man on FP, Gen Bajwa. So that continuity comes from the establishment, not from IK. Ask the boys in Foreign Office how many times the sitting CoAS had to reach out to the foreign leaders because his boss in ISB had no tact to deal with the foreign leadership and his big mouth had actually derailed things.

On top of that, the one who still claims "I know the west the best" knows them the least.

When he was in office, IK polished Chinese, IMF, Saudi, Emerati boots just like the current crop is doing. No difference. If there is some, it is in your head because you are bought in on the whole IK propaganda. You folks believe he walks on water. He does not.

If this news is indeed true, there's hardly any surprise in that. If Russians can sell their latest weapon systems to India and Israelis can (indirectly) sell their weapons to Iran, what's new in Pakistan selling some munitions to Ukraine? It's all part of the game of national interest for every country.

We Pakistanis take things a little differently. For example, we became a part of SEATO and CENTO to get American arms and then assumed that we would be free to use those arms against India too. We were unable or unwilling to read the fine print. And devil is normally in details of the fine print. So, when we did that in 1965, Americans imposed an arms embargo on us right in the middle of the war.

Also, we Pakistanis try to find an emotional part or link in the international agreements. However, international relations are very different from our personal relations. There exists no such thing as an emotional aspect in international relations (with an exception of the cases of our relations with Turkey and KSA).

A desire of having good and mutually beneficial relations with Russia does not really stop Russia supplying arms to India and then why that desire would stop us selling munitions to Ukraine? International relations are a multidimensional affair. You cooperate with another country to the extent that serves your supreme national interest the best - no less and no more.

No one is saying abandon the West for the East. We're saying to keep it neutral from both sides as the Indians have successfully managed to do, and you wouldn't be in a position you're in every decade after being recoiled. So it's not a complex concept to understand.

As for those who keep mentioning Russia supporting India, what do you expect an ally to do? It's not their problem, your so-called friend who you put your neck on the line for sanctioned you every time, maybe choose better friends. You provided U-2 flights out of Peshawar to spy on the Soviets and stopped after being threatened with nukes. What did you get from the Americans?

 

[PakFactor]

Pakistan was never been anyone's camp ever...except on its own. Period.
Our core interests were always, Animosity with India, Kashmir, Afghanistan and Palestine, we never deviates or compromise on these ever...Period.

We were member of SEATO and SENTO for supposedly encircling soviets but use the arms and ammunition's against India at the opportune time (65 War), No one can stop us.
In Arab-Israeli wars, where Egypt and Syria were completely in Soviets camps, We jumps from US camps and add and abet Arabs, Can anyone stop us...NO.
We use Soviets invasion of Afghanistan to accumulates F16s to counter India and pursue a successful atomic program, avoiding NPT, CTBT against all odds. No one dares to stop us.
Post 9/11, we never cease our relations with Taliban and other groups despite receiving threats to be sent out in stone age and in the end prevails to retain strategic depth against all odds once again.

So, my dears...Don't under estimates Pakistan resolves and resilience. We are in our own league with no competitor whatsoever.

The two bold parts contradict one another; you are in no one's camp but joined two organizations to encircle the Soviets? I have a problem with Pakistanis when their this confused.

1) Arabs still lost the war; your contribution made no difference.
2) You received F-16s and then were sanctioned and received soybeans for over a decade - and you paid for the parking fees of those F-16s.
3) You lost men to the US air strike and couldn't do a thing; you lost 80K people in the conflict, economic damage from this conflict you came out a loser in the end with nothing to show. So here you are, begging.

 

[Black.Mamba]

The two bold parts contradict one another; you are in no one's camp but joined two organizations to encircle the Soviets? I have a problem with Pakistanis when their this confused.

Self contradictory statements are a speciality of N-league. Dont you remember Shahbaz sharifs father was a very poor farmer while Nawaz Sharif's father was a rich man