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Pakistan rejected in Amazon, ebay & paypal? whither eCommerce?

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Are Pakistanis able to use alibaba, baidu et al for ecommerce, since the following says they are banned from Amazon, ebay & paypal? if so how do they get paid, in RMB or Pak Rupee or something else?

No entry for Pakistan in Ebay, Amazon and Paypal - The Express Tribune

No entry for Pakistan in Ebay, Amazon and Paypal

The barriers to entry for Pakistani business in global e-commerce platforms should be a cause of concern for the policy-makers. According to a recent OECD study, excluding countries like Pakistan from these platforms “may accentuate existing imbalances in e-commerce trade”.
 
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I sense a business opportunity here to create a Flipkart in Pakistan
 
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Pakistan has its fair share of online stores as well but e-commerce has failed to take off and represents a really small fraction of the greater market, that is why Pakistain does not have an Amazon or Ebay portal. If it was a thriving industry then these names would want in on the action too.
 
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How dare they not start e-commerce in Pakistan... Donn they know they have Nuclear Bomb as they are Nuclear Power and will respond with Nuclear Weapons if they don't bend down to them!! Again they are NUCLEAR POWER with NUCLEAR BUM. Completely NUCLEAR.

@Arsalan : shying away from your Nuclear bombs are we? You guys are quite vocal about it at every thread.. So why the rating? Temper tantrums I suppose...
 
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Pakistan has its fair share of online stores as well but e-commerce has failed to take off and represents a really small fraction of the greater market, that is why Pakistain does not have an Amazon or Ebay portal. If it was a thriving industry then these names would want in on the action too.

It can be boon for Pakistan as E-Commerce Industry world over has matured and future Pakistani E-Commerce Pioneers can learn from the mistakes of their global peers.

Three main things are required to facilitate E-Commerce

1. Access to Banking system in form of Credit Cards/Debit cads/Net-Banking etc over which online transactions can be done.

2. Access to broadband/3G or comparable data connection.

3. Sound Logistics system within country

Most optimistic estimates would put a threshold at 20% or above population having access to these facilities for E-Commerce to take off.

One Innovative and controversial feature which can give a kick-start to E-Commerce is Cash on Delivery which can be implemented at initial stages to help customers acclimatize to E-Commerce system but it is fraught with risks like returns/embezzlement by logistics partners etc so CoD should be implemented with great care lest it becomes a millstone around Pakistani E-Commerce system.

Another thing which Pakistan should probably look into is forming a comprehensive tax regulation for E-Commerce as there is a lot of dispute later on b/w states/provinces about who get's what. There should also be monitoring to ensure it is not abused as Pharma and Healthcare sector is vulnerable to it.

Overall I believe E-Commerce has a huge potential in S. Asian countries with proliferation of better banking and internet facilities. It is beneficial for suppliers as well as customers and can significantly act as booster for developing countries plagued by low consumption.

It is also a valuable source for Foreign investment as among VCs and PEs , E-Commerce still hasn't lost it's sheen.
 
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Access to Banking system in form of Credit Cards/Debit cads/Net-Banking etc over which online transactions can be done.

This might be one of the reasons ECOM is failing in Pakistan, not many people trust online transactions and consider payment through online channels unsafe. COD is the way to go but then there are problems in the quality of good being delivered, I recently ordered a deal for three gym tops for Rs 1100 from Kaymu.pk (local alibaba-ish platform), in the first attempt, they ended up delivering the package to someone else and made me order again, after having done so, when the order did arrive, the colours were wrong and the product was totally different than the one illustrated. I paid Rs 1100 for three vests!

Access to broadband/3G or comparable data connection.

Broadband access has increased by 344% in the last year thanks to 3G but coverage is still somewhat limited.

Sound Logistics system within country

That is something that is available and what local ECOM sites are basing their work off. Delivery is usually with 72 hours and free.
 
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How dare they not start e-commerce in Pakistan... Donn they know they have Nuclear Bomb as they are Nuclear Power and will respond with Nuclear Weapons if they don't bend down to them!! Again they are NUCLEAR POWER with NUCLEAR BUM. Completely NUCLEAR.

Oh Sheesh, is this serious your low IQ level? stupid again from Phantom movie?
 
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The thing is Pakistan is still very young in the world of ecommmerce.. Those are large enterprises which will need to see a huge market before they invest in setting up a market here but right now they don't see that.

Although trade through the use of internet and deliveries of product using various local delivery system is becoming common but it is still not very regular. People is smaller cities seldom use this and heck not everybody in the big cities use them. They prefer the safer system where you go to the shop, look at the product, touch it, check it and then pay for it after satisfaction...

Most sites offer refund and return policies but its a hassle that people avoid. Although etrade and ecommerce is the future and in time this thing will spread in pakistan...
You also have to realize that it hasn't been long since we got 3g 3.5g and 4g so you have to give time for the people to evolve with it...

You can see that online local trade also took to olx in time thus with time we will also evolve into this process but the basic rule of etrade and ecommerce is the development of the area. The greater the development of the area the more chances of etrade and ecommerce to thrive...

I believe that in the near future we will see a huge emarket take shape in Pakistan. There is a high demand for smart phones, there is a high demand for broadbands, cash on delivery is really thriving and the credit and debit card world is also taking hold (albeit very very very slowly but finding feet never the less).

I believe that large companies in the near future will set up their branches in Pakistan..
 
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This might be one of the reasons ECOM is failing in Pakistan, not many people trust online transactions and consider payment through online channels unsafe. COD is the way to go but then there are problems in the quality of good being delivered, I recently ordered a deal for three gym tops for Rs 1100 from Kaymu.pk (local alibaba-ish platform), in the first attempt, they ended up delivering the package to someone else and made me order again, after having done so, when the order did arrive, the colours were wrong and the product was totally different than the one illustrated. I paid Rs 1100 for three vests!

These problems are expected, India was exceptionally lucky to have Flipkart as pioneering and Keystone ECOM company which delivered quality above all else and was exceptional in post sales service issues like returns/replacement.

First impression and positive word of mouth publicity can go a long way in establishing the trust and reputation which is the primary thing in markets like India/Pakistan where people don't trust online options due to lack of exposure or some anecdotal experiences shared by others.

These issues are however solvable:

1. Quality and Service Delivery:

a. ECOM companies should start with a large and comprehensive catalog of products usually in a single product category. Flipkart started with Books, This way they can build expertise in ECOM and at the same time simple supply chain due to dealing with a single product category involving two or three major vendors would ensure quality is maintained.

b. In Pakistan ECOM is not as competitive or mature as in West/India so they can focus for fist few years focus should be on quality and market reputation, no need to spend big bucks advertising - word of mouth will do

2. Pricing Advantage: As is obvious ECOM cuts down on middle men like Carrying and forward agents, district level distributors and street level retailers.

In White Goods Margins attributed to middlemen are 40%, In FMCG Margin for middlemen is 20%, In Electronics margin in 30-40%. This is some impressive saving which can be passed on to consumers to attract them.

For eg A must have books for Economics during my MBA costed me 1500 bucks in my college book-shop but was able to buy it from Flipkart at 450 Rs. This along with COD was a primary factor which influenced my first ECOM transaction.

3. Funding Issues: We have to accept that during first 5 years any ECOM venture is not going to be profitable, start with this mentality and a low start-up investment. After establishing yourself by word of mouth visit VCs to get funding. They are primarily based in Silicon Valley - and would invest 100/200k if you show them a sound business plan and exit route via IPO etc. Believe me it is not tough to get couple of 100ks .

Profitablity is still not a factor and VCs primary focus is gaining market share and cashing out by selling their stake to PEs hence they would support your quality and service related expenses/hiring expenditure.

I believe above few points address how to maintain quality and market reputation, lack of faith on online transaction is indeed a major issue but addressable through COD as you have suggested.

Broadband access has increased by 344% in the last year thanks to 3G but coverage is still somewhat limited.

One thing which can help out the limited penetration is kind of free internet service for ECOM websites only, it raises net neutralization aspects but that is a topic for another thread. Some large companies are behind Internet.org project which offers free connectivity to promising start-up websites by compensating the ISPs.

The ECOM companies should above all take care not to over-reach themselves, As your namesake @Icarus they should be careful of not flying too close to the sun and burning of their wings. I have read too many horror stories about crash and burn of ECOM companies and I myself was a part of a doomed start-up.

@VelocuR
 
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Pakistan has its fair share of online stores as well but e-commerce has failed to take off and represents a really small fraction of the greater market, that is why Pakistain does not have an Amazon or Ebay portal. If it was a thriving industry then these names would want in on the action too.

200 million? A big enough market waiting to be tapped. Shame about the Indo-Pak relations - else almost all Indian e-com ventures would have set up shop there.
 
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200 million? A big enough market waiting to be tapped. Shame about the Indo-Pak relations - else almost all Indian e-com ventures would have set up shop there.

Yeah, Indian firms have experience with a similar clientele, same market dynamics for the most part. It would have been a competitive advantage for them if they were to set up a franchise here or even extended their own network.
 
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Yeah, Indian firms have experience with a similar clientele, same market dynamics for the most part. It would have been a competitive advantage for them if they were to set up a franchise here or even extended their own network.

I would disagree with you here, you should not let Indian ECOM firms operate in Pakistan if you want to develop you own base. JVs and likes are ok but not full access.

Indian ECOM companies are very mature and have ruthless business practices, they would gobble up the whole market and not let indigenous Pakistani firms survive. Due to massive funding, they have deep pockets enough to out-price and out-spend any one except Alibaba,E-Bay and Amazon in Online Market Place based websites.
 
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You have to have an effective postal service for E-com to be successful. I don't think pakistan has a developed one.
 
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Pakistan has its fair share of online stores as well but e-commerce has failed to take off and represents a really small fraction of the greater market, that is why Pakistain does not have an Amazon or Ebay portal. If it was a thriving industry then these names would want in on the action too.

question is why. what's different about Pakistan that you think eCommerce will fail?
 
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