Pakistan...Politics....Corruption...And Way Ahead!

[PakShaheen79]

Getting rid of this corrupt political elite must be the foremost agenda for armed forces.

BTW, can anyone tell me proposed modernization in 2019 modernization program? thanks in advance.

 

[mjnaushad]

Getting rid of this corrupt political elite must be the foremost agenda for armed forces.

BTW, can anyone tell me proposed modernization in 2019 modernization program? thanks in advance.

Getting rid of corrupt political elite must be foremost agenda of people of Pakistan not Army.....180 Million can bring much bigger change than .7 million

 

[araz]

Getting rid of corrupt political elite must be foremost agenda of people of Pakistan not Army.....180 Million can bring much bigger change than .7 million

The best thing that the army can do is for these scum to be allowed to drown in their own corruption. Let the complete the term and go to the people for re election. Two or 3 terms and we will finally get rid of the scum . Army take over has always been the elixir of life for them. Please dont give them another chance.
Araz

 

[A.Muqeet khan]

good its been a long time since i have been telling the people the same thing and getting rebuffed

 

[VCheng]

The best thing that the army can do is for these scum to be allowed to drown in their own corruption. Let the complete the term and go to the people for re election. Two or 3 terms and we will finally get rid of the scum . Army take over has always been the elixir of life for them. Please dont give them another chance.
Araz

Very good post, and correctly said.

Two points:

1. The scum won't drown in corruption for they thrive on it. It is the nation that drowns.

2. The system in place will ensure similar outcomes for the foreseeable future.



(Yes, Asim, here is another one of my "koi faida nahi" posts! )

 

[regular]

The best thing that the army can do is for these scum to be allowed to drown in their own corruption. Let the complete the term and go to the people for re election. Two or 3 terms and we will finally get rid of the scum . Army take over has always been the elixir of life for them. Please dont give them another chance.
Araz

but the problem is that they have so much money that they can buy out the votes. and pplz don't give votes to poor pplz. only the corrupt are rich. So the chances for the re-election of corrupt are always high no matter what.

 

[Manticore]

Very good post, and correctly said.

Two points:

1. The scum won't drown in corruption for they thrive on it. It is the nation that drowns.

2. The system in place will ensure similar outcomes for the foreseeable future.



(Yes, Asim, here is another one of my "koi faida nahi" posts! )

the technocrats dont make more than 20% of the population.. their votes based on educated foresight will be easily over run by the 80% of the uneducated , emotionally / religiously blackmailed populace

 

[VCheng]

the technocrats dont make more than 20% of the population.. their votes based on educated foresight will be easily over run by the 80% of the uneducated , emotionally / religiously blackmailed populace

Do you mean to say "koi faida nahi" too? Chances are that nothing will change.

 

[MastanKhan]

The best thing that the army can do is for these scum to be allowed to drown in their own corruption. Let the complete the term and go to the people for re election. Two or 3 terms and we will finally get rid of the scum . Army take over has always been the elixir of life for them. Please dont give them another chance.
Araz

Sir,

That is a totally shameless and despicable thinking----so basically what I hear is that let them rape for a few years and they will get tired of raping and when they will stop raping and things will change----.

How dare you say such a thing----that comment is humiliatingly disgusting for a person with any kind of conscience---. The problem with millitary has been that whenever it got the oppurtunity it did not roll any heads that should have been---and these heads came back to haunt them

There is a unique fascination that pakistanis have with letting the things destroy themselves and then they believe in starting up from scratch every time.

Conscienscious nations and nationals don't wait till the things are totally broken down---they give a warning at the first sign of corruption and at the second instance---they kick them out---.

If Musharraf had the ballz to have executed some of these criminals---pakistan would have been in a much better condition---they want to hang him now---so what is the big deal---he should have hung them and let the nation decide the fate---.

What wonderful soldiers of islam you are----dare read the history of successful muslim rulers or any successful ruler----they nipped every corruption in the BUD---right at the begining---right at the source head---for they knew---if it spreads---it is like a cancer----it gets out of control-----.

It shocks me---where do these pakistanis come with these ideas----. Somebody must have told them---but who---the criminals!!!!!!

 

[Manticore]

Do you mean to say "koi faida nahi" too? Chances are that nothing will change.

this is all offtopic...

i dont agree with sir araz, particularly in the manner he has laid it down--- however we have a precedence that the general populace needs some bloody eye-openers before they realize that they have to do something-- muslim populace thought nothing would change at the advent of the british reign over the subcontinant -- it took them years to realize the injustices, prejudices and the manner they were treated as 4rth rate citizens --after which they stoodup---- same thing is happening now , moreover awareness is increasing -- so many news channels which run their interviews aswell as compare it with their past statements for people to judge our leaders-- shows have sarcsm, which is perhaps the most mature human coping mechanism


lawyers stood up , doctors stood up , my classfelloows were even beaten by police just because they were asking for descent salaries for all the docters [70% are either doing job honourary or are severely underpaid]--- these kind of uprisings and growing resentment will ultimately be the downfall of this corrupt political generation which we have inherited from our forefathers -- so i say there is hope

the justice will be served by the people -- on the streets--- as the justice system is itself plagued by dishonest/incapable people


the question is what do you propose we do? i was a part of the doctors' protest -- but there is little docters can do-- if they go on strike for their rights, the civilians will be affected--- most of the intellectuals can only think- maybe rarely provide solutions- but when it comes to taking action all are nowhere to be seen

propose solutions-- lead us by acting on it yourselves , while living in the same country under the same circumstances -- otherwise all this discussion is useless

 

[Super Falcon]

Army will never want to corrupt people to becaught and finish the corruption becoz since pakista birthday armed forces ruled almost 3 decades but what they did nothing to stop corruption im not saying army is involved in corruption directly but yes they do courruption by leeting corrupt people eat the country aand when they come in power they miss uses govt funds which belongs to common people and when they are not in power in relief operation they do corruption take lot of international funds and other equipments with them but it is fact corruption is happeneing under the nose of army and its gewnerals and they are not taking any good action for good for the people of pakistan and when they do take action and stop democratic corruption they start their corruption

 

[Luftwaffe]

Two or 3 terms and we will finally get rid of the scum..Araz

Antibody hear me one more time.
Two or 3 terms is 10-15 Year Would Pakistan be there by then? in a span of 3 consecutive years Pakistan has been almost bankrupted Railways is down, Steal Mills is down, PIA is down, Shipping is down, Gawadar is stand still, load shedding is on the rise, a under developed Pakistan whose engine is "days" Thy government declare 2 days off to restrict development and production to dent businesses, Thy say 2 or 3 terms what are you signing the fate of Pakistan to those corrupt corrupt bloody politicians who have robbed Pakistan who give no damn about common Pakistani did you not see the Railways pensioners in line for 2 days with a man dead do you think Pakistan can survive in next 10-15 years under same asshol.es. The only outcome I can see out of your thought is Pakistan would become another N. Korea where budget is left only to survive Armed Forces and the rest can go to hell but hear me China would help N. Koreans more then it would ever help Pakistan by then in that situation, poor assessment on part of a TT. Look at Japan how many ministers cabinets and prime ministers in past 20 years have been removed or changed and volunteer resigned and come back and re-think what you said. Such government infact are more danger to Armed Forces less production and bad economy less funds for our Armed Force everything is dependent use your brains for Godsakes.

 

[araz]

but the problem is that they have so much money that they can buy out the votes. and pplz don't give votes to poor pplz. only the corrupt are rich. So the chances for the re-election of corrupt are always high no matter what.

Democracy is a system that is learnt over decades not just from the word go. Even in UK and USA people in deocratic setup are involved in corruption at a massive scale . The difference so far has been that the judicial system is strong and robust enough to eventually catch them out and the people wisen up and stop voting them in. Look at what has happened in UK. The split Government in UK is a sign of how little the people have faith in both the Conservatives and Labour. The stops and starts that we have had in our democracy has meant that the same old faces have been allowed to come in again and again. THis is what I was alluding to in my post. We must let the process go on to allow the bad top be separated from the good. It will take time and will require patience.

Vcheng . The drowning in their corruption was a cryptic remark to reducing the ir chances of reelection, ie if you don't perform you don't get voted. The people of Pakistan's needs are basic and their perceptions have not been allowed to widen. How long do you think the Biradari system will last if 3-4 governemnts fail to perform, people will change their perceptions. It is a matter of uninterrupted tenures rather than anything else. You cant hope for anything better.
Araz
Araz

 

[araz]

Sir,

That is a totally shameless and despicable thinking----so basically what I hear is that let them rape for a few years and they will get tired of raping and when they will stop raping and things will change----.

How dare you say such a thing----that comment is humiliatingly disgusting for a person with any kind of conscience---. The problem with millitary has been that whenever it got the oppurtunity it did not roll any heads that should have been---and these heads came back to haunt them

There is a unique fascination that pakistanis have with letting the things destroy themselves and then they believe in starting up from scratch every time.

Conscienscious nations and nationals don't wait till the things are totally broken down---they give a warning at the first sign of corruption and at the second instance---they kick them out---.

If Musharraf had the ballz to have executed some of these criminals---pakistan would have been in a much better condition---they want to hang him now---so what is the big deal---he should have hung them and let the nation decide the fate---.

What wonderful soldiers of islam you are----dare read the history of successful muslim rulers or any successful ruler----they nipped every corruption in the BUD---right at the begining---right at the source head---for they knew---if it spreads---it is like a cancer----it gets out of control-----.

It shocks me---where do these pakistanis come with these ideas----. Somebody must have told them---but who---the criminals!!!!!!

No need to call me sir. Secondly if mods would be kind enough to set up a different section for this debate , I will be happy to wipe out any shame you have piled on to my face.HAHA!!"! Hoiwever, we are digressing so I will not continue here. You have known me long enough to know I dont shy away from a banter.
Kind regards
Araz

 

[VCheng]

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Vcheng . The drowning in their corruption was a cryptic remark to reducing the ir chances of reelection, ie if you don't perform you don't get voted. The people of Pakistan's needs are basic and their perceptions have not been allowed to widen. How long do you think the Biradari system will last if 3-4 governemnts fail to perform, people will change their perceptions. It is a matter of uninterrupted tenures rather than anything else. You cant hope for anything better.
Araz
Araz

This is an interesting discussion, but I will hold it since I do not wish to derail this thread. I hope to be able to discuss this further with you at some point in a more appropriate forum and thread.

I will only say that 3-4 governments is about 10-15 years. My greatest fear is that Pakistan may not have the luxury of such a prolonged period to get its house in order. The world will move on much quicker than that.