Pakistan Navy successfully test Anti-Ship Guided Missile

[razgriz19]

any test launches of the c-802?

Don';t know about this exercise but they did it a few times in the past. Here you can clearly see a F-22P frigate firing its missile and hitting the target

 

[Tank131]

ATR and P3-c are great and important force multipliers which are some of the most lethal sub hunters. If im not wrong orions can also launch Harpoons which will make it important for antishipping purposes.

Alamgir needs to, however get some anti-air teeth. Now i doubt it will happen but PN could get a mk41 vls system installed in front of the old mk13 ala Australian adelaides or G-Class of Turkey. If the US is unwilling to give the essm to PN (which i doubt give the purely defensive nature) then PN can go for CAMM or preferably CAMM-ER from italy which are also able to be quadpacked into mk41. Hell... Just put an Sylver A50 instead of mk41 and give uk/italy all the $. Then do the genesis upgrade to give it command and control capability and you get some level of group defense which is way more than currently available. Additionally, Australia had 6 Adelaide class (ex USN OHPs) of which 3 have been retired (Canneberra-2005, Adelaide-2008, and Sydney-2015). The other 3 will also be decommissioned when the new Hobart class destroyers are delivered. PN should look to acquire these if they really were looking into 6 OHP. They would be a huge boon for PN at relatively low cost. And all of the structural work is already done and you have other options beyond ESSM for the mk41 launcher (CAMM). Now they will likely have great amount of wear and tear on them, but they will be cheap and im sure PN can get another 10-15yrs out of them and considering what the current status of PN surface fleet is, it is extremely necessary to get something serviceable soon, and I dont see any movement on the "F-22P +" or Type-054A acquisitions, all we hear are rumors posted by internet fan-boys.

Also i wish PN would restructure F22P. I think if you remove the FM90 launcher and move the AShM launchers to its place you could likely get a vls system between the conning tower and smokestacks. You could have a significant portion of the launch system above deck in this position if there is an issue of below deck space.

 

[Inception-06]

ATR and P3-c are great and important force multipliers which are some of the most lethal sub hunters. If im not wrong orions can also launch Harpoons which will make it important for antishipping purposes.

Alamgir needs to, however get some anti-air teeth. Now i doubt it will happen but PN could get a mk41 vls system installed in front of the old mk13 ala Australian adelaides or G-Class of Turkey. If the US is unwilling to give the essm to PN (which i doubt give the purely defensive nature) then PN can go for CAMM or preferably CAMM-ER from italy which are also able to be quadpacked into mk41. Hell... Just put an Sylver A50 instead of mk41 and give uk/italy all the $. Then do the genesis upgrade to give it command and control capability and you get some level of group defense which is way more than currently available. Additionally, Australia had 6 Adelaide class (ex USN OHPs) of which 3 have been retired (Canneberra-2005, Adelaide-2008, and Sydney-2015). The other 3 will also be decommissioned when the new Hobart class destroyers are delivered. PN should look to acquire these if they really were looking into 6 OHP. They would be a huge boon for PN at relatively low cost. And all of the structural work is already done and you have other options beyond ESSM for the mk41 launcher (CAMM). Now they will likely have great amount of wear and tear on them, but they will be cheap and im sure PN can get another 10-15yrs out of them and considering what the current status of PN surface fleet is, it is extremely necessary to get something serviceable soon, and I dont see any movement on the "F-22P +" or Type-054A acquisitions, all we hear are rumors posted by internet fan-boys.

Also i wish PN would restructure F22P. I think if you remove the FM90 launcher and move the AShM launchers to its place you could likely get a vls system between the conning tower and smokestacks. You could have a significant portion of the launch system above deck in this position if there is an issue of below deck space.

The ATR and P3C orions will remain good on paper and in hangars, because facing the 3-Tier indian air threat is impossible:

2 Indian Air Craft Carriers, one is equipped with modernised Mig-29 which is a air superiority fighter.

Indian Ships are escorted by FLAG-Ships like the Kalkota which have long range air defence missiles.

The South Western indian Air Command incudes more than 10 Air Bases, which have the option to send their SU-30MKI in the arabian Sea for sea operations against our air crafts or Ships.

So in which air space our 13 x ATR and P3C orions will operate ? They will play only a defensive role and need round clock air defence escort, which we cant provide !

 

[Tank131]

In order to form a solid defense you need to start somewhere. Currently you are correct that PNs ability to provide aircover is not just limited but nearly nonexistent. But remember, these will be flying from Pakistan and can be escorted by F-16 or JF-17 under the topcover of AWACs. They dont need to go out and be right above a carrier to be effective tools. They can be vectored in by AWACs and kept in the range of the JF-17 and F-16s. They will be able to hunt subs near Pakistan's coast and be able to at least help (along with PN Frigates, subs, Missile Boats, JF-17/CM-400KG as well as land batteries of C-603) keep IN a few hundred km off the coast while F-16 and other JF-17 provide some top cover. Is it ideal? No, but its far better to have them than not. They are after all the best sub hunters in Pakistan's arsenal and will be able to protect the fleet and coast from IN subs. What they wont be able to do without proper aircover or SAM coverage from PN ships is patrol open waters. But that could also change if PN gets its act together.

 

[Inception-06]

In order to form a solid defense you need to start somewhere. Currently you are correct that PNs ability to provide aircover is not just limited but nearly nonexistent. But remember, these will be flying from Pakistan and can be escorted by F-16 or JF-17 under the topcover of AWACs. They dont need to go out and be right above a carrier to be effective tools. They can be vectored in by AWACs and kept in the range of the JF-17 and F-16s. They will be able to hunt subs near Pakistan's coast and be able to at least help (along with PN Frigates, subs, Missile Boats, JF-17/CM-400KG as well as land batteries of C-603) keep IN a few hundred km off the coast while F-16 and other JF-17 provide some top cover. Is it ideal? No, but its far better to have them than not. They are after all the best sub hunters in Pakistan's arsenal and will be able to protect the fleet and coast from IN subs. What they wont be able to do without proper aircover or SAM coverage from PN ships is patrol open waters. But that could also change if PN gets its act together.

Your analyse is totally correct, and I agree that the Jf-17 can Provide a little air defence, but when I look a the numbers which IAF will throw in the battle our F-16 and Jf-17 will be fully stretched at the Land. At the end its always the combination of all System, close air defence at the Pakistan Land ( ca. 2000 AA Guns and 2000 Manpads) forces the IAF to fly higher so the chance to get in clash with our Air Defence Fighters is very high for IAF. The same tactic should be transfared at the sea. Pakistan can increase the low air defence threat to India by adding to EVERY PN Ship which is on sea duty (Tankers,Patrol boats, Jalalat boats,Azmat Boats etc) a well trained Team equipped with ANZA MANPADS (thats the cheapes option) that will force the IAF Jets to fly on High Altitude and come in the range our Fighter Jets and give a small air defense deterrence for our operating ships in the Sea which have not 24 hours air cover or are in the range of our air defense missiles !

Your right thats a chance !

 

[hacker J]

Cant understand why we have bought more ASW planes like P3-C Orions and ATR-72 than comabt ships !

simple because PN is not trying to match IN surface ships he knows its not possible IN has far too many corvets destroyers and frigates but have a week underwater arm of both conventional and nuclear subs as of present atleast if we leavr ins chakra sub out.
so pak is acquiring submarine and anti sub systems to avoid any blockade by IN and to secretly hunt indian ships an subs in case of a war and mine laying or information gathering missions

Your analyse is totally correct, and I agree that the Jf-17 can Provide a little air defence, but when I look a the numbers which IAF will throw in the battle our F-16 and Jf-17 will be fully stretched at the Land. At the end its always the combination of all System, close air defence at the Pakistan Land ( ca. 2000 AA Guns and 2000 Manpads) forces the IAF to fly higher so the chance to get in clash with our Air Defence Fighters is very high for IAF. The same tactic should be transfared at the sea. Pakistan can increase the low air defence threat to India by adding to EVERY PN Ship which is on sea duty (Tankers,Patrol boats, Jalalat boats,Azmat Boats etc) a well trained Team equipped with ANZA MANPADS (thats the cheapes option) that will force the IAF Jets to fly on High Altitude and come in the range our Fighter Jets and give a small air defense deterrence for our operating ships in the Sea which have not 24 hours air cover or are in the range of our air defense missiles !

Your right thats a chance !

brother adding manpads to ships is nothing more than just a morale booster because in todays era no plane targets a ship by unguided bombs or cannnons they use guided missiles anti ship which when launced from air have atleast a distance of 30 km in the very least as no fighter gets very close to any ship to avoid its air defence.
so anza manpads will never b that effictive

 

[Pulsar]

This test was conducted on Nov last year. Why post old news?

 

[Inception-06]

The ATR and P3C orions will remain good on paper and in hangars, because facing the 3-Tier indian air threat is impossible:

2 Indian Air Craft Carriers, one is equipped with modernised Mig-29 which is a air superiority fighter.

Indian Ships are escorted by FLAG-Ships like the Kalkota which have long range air defence missiles.

The South Western indian Air Command incudes more than 10 Air Bases, which have the option to send their SU-30MKI in the arabian Sea for sea operations against our air crafts or Ships.

So in which air space our 13 x ATR and P3C orions will operate ? They will play only a defensive role and need round clock air defence escort, which we cant provide !

May be you can explain me why Russian ships have MANPAD Teams ?

 

[Tank131]

I actually agree that MANPADS will have minimal effect for military ships but may help tankers and support ships. What PN really needs is to pick a course of action. My worry is that PN has so much to do that its leadership cant think straight. Always they are obsessed with US equipment/supply and when that fails, they go to China. They need to think outside the box. Get some new frigates but supplement with used ones.

-If you have Alamgir and you know you wanted 6 total OHP but US isnt giving you more, then get them where you can from others like the 6 in Australia which are due to be retired soon (3 already have been) and these have already recieved upgrades which can be further augmented by the GENESIS program.

-Type 23 British frigates are another potential source with 13 potentially retiring in the next decade. These will already be equipped with Sea Ceptor (CAMM) with potential for up to 128 CAMM missiles each (anywhere from 25-45km range depending on type).

 

[Penguin]

What is the point of wasting one missle?

Missiles have a limited shelf life. At some point you either fire them or scrap them.

 

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Missiles have a limited shelf life. At some point you either fire them or scrap them.

Could extend their shelf life with a upgrade package..

 

[Penguin]

Could extend their shelf life with a upgrade package..

At some point, your rocket motor dies.

 

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At some point, your rocket motor dies.

Rocket motors don't die per-say, their performance will degrade for sure.. It's like a best before date not a use by date.

For Instance, Turkey has upgraded it's older AA missiles which included new seeker, rocket motor and thermal battery. Italy upgraded it's ASPIDE with new rocket section, which gave it 12% more range.

 

[Penguin]

Rocket motors don't die per-say, their performance will degrade for sure.. It's like a best before date not a use by date.

For Instance, Turkey has upgraded it's older AA missiles which included new seeker, rocket motor and thermal battery. Italy upgraded it's ASPIDE with new rocket section, which gave it 12% more range.

Are you suggesting missiles, or any kind of ordnance, does not have a shelflife? Aside from shelflife, yeah, you do need to accasionally conduct life fire exercises (because simulations only work up to a point).

 

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Are you suggesting missiles, or any kind of ordnance, does not have a shelflife? Aside from shelflife, yeah, you do need to accasionally conduct life fire exercises (because simulations only work up to a point).

Nope, not at all.. Quoting myself in reply to you..

Could extend their shelf life with a upgrade package..