Pakistan likely to have another Ballistic Missile test

[Cornered Tiger]

It is the same warning that was issued on 20 Jan for 24 and 25 Jan test of Ababeel. Now this time it will not be a Test Launch RATHER A Training Launch by SPD OR A Ship/Submarine Launched Variant.

Warning for 24 and 25 Jan:-
HYDROPAC 227/2017
ARABIAN SEA.
PAKISTAN.
MISSILES.
DNC 03, DNC 10.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS 0430Z TO 0800Z DAILY
24 AND 25 JAN IN AREA BOUND BY
25-32.66N 066-30.05E, 25-18.00N 066-55.05E,
16-52.45N 061-18.59E, 17-07.07N 060-54.84E.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 250900Z JAN 17.

( 201510Z JAN 17 )

Latest Warning:-
HYDROPAC 278/2017 (62,63)
ARABIAN SEA.
PAKISTAN.
DNC 03, DNC 10.
1. MISSILE FIRING 0430Z TO 0800Z DAILY
27 AND 28 JAN IN AREA BOUND BY
25-32.66N 066-30.05E, 25-18.00N 066-55.05E,
16-52.45N 061-18.59E, 17-07.07N 060-54.84E.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 280900Z JAN 17.

( 241514Z JAN 2017 )

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Who knew we had 3 items in our pocket and that pocket is very deep

 

[JOEY TRIBIANI]

(A0094/17 NOTAMR A0092/17
Q)OPKR/QRDCA/IV/BO/W/000/400/2419N06658E
A)OPKR
B)1702010400 C)1702281700
D)01-03, 06-10, 13-17, 20-24 AND 27-28 FEB'17 BTN 0400-1700
E)OP/D-110 (AREA BRAVO) ACT.
F)SFC G)FL400)

Here is NOTAM that has been issued.

What if some one has plans to do fishing in international waters?

 

[Cookie Monster]

Troll Mode: On

In light of this thread there should be another one with the title

"RAJ(the expert) likely to have another rant on twitter"

 

[BHarwana]

What if some one has plans to do fishing in international waters?

May be! it cold and military is planing a big fish party or to provide the hungry solider across border who have been complaining on youtube.

 

[khansaheeb]

US imposed sanctions for a reason and Pakistan decided to go ahead and introduce the latest gadgets they were working on for the last couple of years.

They were quite for the last 10 or so years and very few new missiles were launched

Lets test some nukes (H-Bombs) as well at the same time.

 

[JOEY TRIBIANI]

They should name the next missile: daab-a-tul arrz (zameen ka janwar) which will put mark on people being muslim(momin) or kafir

Yaar wo to sahi ha lekin itna bara naam missile pey paint kon karey ga .

May be! it cold and military is planing a big fish party or to provide the hungry solider across border who have been complaining on youtube.

I wish i catch bluefin tuna this time .

 

[simplestguy]

Two things coming into mind. Can someone verify what was the height mentioned in the Nav Warning ? Either

1. Ra'ad ALCM 2. Upgraded Variant with 1000 KM Range. Just as American AGM-158 JASSM range increased from 370 KM to 1000 KM in ER Range

2. Ababeel Single RV variant which is going to Replace Ghauri Liquid fuel missiles entirely or variation of Ababeel with the Anti ship BM capability

It will be Ra'ad(40%), Shaheen(20%) or Nasr(40%) and I am dead sure about it.

 

[Karl]

1. KZ-1A's motor diameter is 1.2m, Ababeel's dia is 1.4m.
2. KZ-1A has a max payload fairing diameter of 1.4m, Ababeel's fairing is much larger at 1.7-1.8m.
3. KZ-1A's payload capacity is 200kg to a 700km orbit, which is far far less than Ababeel's probable payload of >1000kg (3xMIRVs) touching ~600km apogee.

Now take your sorry tushy back to BR or wherever you go to vent out your frustration.

Actually, KZ-1A's first and second stage is 1.4m

1. KZ-1A's motor diameter is 1.2m, Ababeel's dia is 1.4m.
2. KZ-1A has a max payload fairing diameter of 1.4m, Ababeel's fairing is much larger at 1.7-1.8m.
3. KZ-1A's payload capacity is 200kg to a 700km orbit, which is far far less than Ababeel's probable payload of >1000kg (3xMIRVs) touching ~600km apogee.

Now take your sorry tushy back to BR or wherever you go to vent out your frustration.

Actually the first and second stages of the KZ-1A is 1.4m. It uses the L-SpaB-140B, although the Shaheen II series probably use a derivative of the older less powerful L-SpaB-140A motors.

You're right that KZ-1A can lift 200 kg to a SSO (Sun-Synchronous Orbit), but probably more, ~ 400 kg to a LEO,
The Ababeel could probably lift 150 - 250 kg to a LEO 600 Km orbit. I.E less powerful than the KZ-1A.

 

[The Deterrent]

Actually, KZ-1A's first and second stage is 1.4m


Actually the first and second stages of the KZ-1A is 1.4m. It uses the L-SpaB-140B, although the Shaheen II series probably use a derivative of the older less powerful L-SpaB-140A motors.

You're right that KZ-1A can lift 200 kg to a SSO (Sun-Synchronous Orbit), but probably more, ~ 400 kg to a LEO,
The Ababeel could probably lift 150 - 250 kg to a LEO 600 Km orbit. I.E less powerful than the KZ-1A.

View attachment 372237

I meant to refer to the 3rd and 4th stage where it gets much narrower (1.2m), while Ababeel remains at 1.4m throughout (except where the MIRV bus and payload fairing begin).

True about the payload capacity to orbit part, I meant to convey that the base stages and consequently 3rd stage of Ababeel is built to boost much more than 200kg. Assuming a bare minimum of 300kg per RV, that puts the total payload (including 3xRVs, MIRV-bus) to anywhere between 1000-1500kg.

Also, 3rd stage is not solid-fueled as per above sketch. Similarly the claim for same motors for KZ-1A and Ababeel/S-II/S-III is shady, its not possible that China used a 30 years old motor design in a modern day SLV.

 

[Karl]

Similarly the claim for same motors for KZ-1A and Ababeel/S-II/S-III is shady, its not possible that China used a 30 years old motor design in a modern day SLV.

Oh yeah. That's why I said the KZ-1A/DF-21D/DF-26 usesa new L-SpaB-140B, as oppose to the M-18/Ababeel/S-II/S-III that probably use an older gen L-SpaB-140.

'First stage motor is 1,40 meters in diameter, having a total mass of 16,621 kg, a burn time of 65 seconds and an impulse of 2,352 Ns/kg. The Second stage motor is 1,40 meters in diameter, having a total mass of 8,686 kg, a burn time of 62 seconds and an impulse of 2,810 NS/kg. The Third stage motor is 1,20 meters in diameter, having a total mass of 3,183 kg, a burn time of 55 seconds and an impulse of 2,850 NS/kg.'

 

[The Deterrent]

@Karl , do you own or contribute to this website by any chance?
http://www.b14643.de/

Just curious.

 

[s.k]

After SLCM and MIRV Biryani mil gayi Dew k sath now ab meetha hojaye ICBM ?

 

[Avon]

When God was sharing wisdom, Indians must have been at the end of the Que.

That's a beautiful pic.

 

[CriticalThought]

It would be really nice if this turns out to be an anti-ballistic missile test. Or even anti-aircraft missile test, launched from a naval platform.

But I might be hoping too much...

Probably a further test of Ababeel to further validate parameters.