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ISLAMABAD — Pakistan is examining a possible defense budget increase in light of a changing security and financial situation, but though new equipment is needed rising operational costs could soak up any increase, say analysts.

The Associated Press of Pakistan (APP) reported Finance Minister Ishaq Dar discussed the possibility of assisting the military’s development program with Chief of Army Staff Gen. Raheel Sharif during a meeting over the weekend.

Just how much more money the armed forces can expect is uncertain despite some improvements in the economy. Sakib Sherani, an economic commentator and CEO of Islamabad-based economic consultancy firm, Macro Economic Insights, says the increase would not be much.

The “‘green shoots’ of a recovery in economic growth do appear to be sprouting, but it is fragile. Without fundamental, credible structural reform, the economy will not be able to post a durable, lasting turnaround,” he said.

Analyst Haris Khan of the Pakistan Military Consortium think tank says finances have been tight for the military, even for operational needs, but external financing has given it some respite.

“All three branches have been working with respected procurement appropriations for their role in fighting terrorists. In general, Pak armed forces have been relying on Coalition Support Fund finances to fuel their war machinery in this regard,” he said.

Former Australian defense attache to Islamabad, Brian Cloughley, said helicopters would be a critical piece of equipment if the budget rises, but a move against the Pakistani Taliban (TTP) could see the money diverted.

“Helicopters, almost certainly, but much is needed for operating costs, which keep increasing. If they go into [North Waziristan], even more troops are going to be needed” he said.

The government has been signaling a potential ground operation for this month against the TTP in North Waziristan since late January.

A possible deal for Chinese-built helicopters is speculated due to comments made by the president during a press conference last week.

Analysts are divided over whether the deal would involve an armed variant of the Mi-17 Hip to help alleviate the transport helicopter shortage, or the WZ-10 helicopter gunship to fulfill Pakistan’s longstanding requirement to replace its AH-1F Cobra gunships.

The military’s needs are many and each service has a long list of equipment requirements.

The Air Force’s modernization plans seem to be in reasonably good shape, and despite a lack of finances has progressed incrementally. They have been adapted, however, and its future inventory now appears to be moving toward a two-tier force of mid-tech JF-17s and high-tech F-16s.

Former pilot and analyst Kaiser Tufail says the reported recent acquisition of surplus F-16s, with more expected, most likely means the end of plans to acquire the Chengdu J-10B/FC-20.

“The FC-20 seems doomed as far as the PAF is concerned. You might hear of some more F-16s in the near future,” he said.

Douglas Barrie, senior fellow for Military Aerospace at the International Institute for Strategic Studies, says the J-10B “would be considerably more expensive than the JF-17, and any procurement would be considerably smaller. Adding a third fighter into the inventory alongside the F-16 and JF-17 would also complicate logistics.”

In contrast to the Air Force, the Navy has a list of big ticket items from new frigates to submarines.

A deal with China for six submarines has been ongoing since 2011.

A senior Pakistani defense official recently confirmed to Defense News that the submarine deal was still set to be signed by the end of the year, but no other details have yet been made public.

With the feasible service lives of the six ex-British Type-21 frigates drawing to an end, the Navy has been looking for replacements. Late last year it was revealed three more Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigates would be acquired by 2016.

However, Pakistan also agreed to a deal for improved F-22P-class frigates with China in 2012, but little more has been heard since then and no deal has been signed.

There is a requirement for up to six Perry-class frigates however, as well as perhaps a larger frigate than the F-22P, such as the Chinese Type-054 class. Recently revealed plans to accelerate the retirement of the US Navy’s frigates could possibly alleviate Pakistan’s surface ship numbers crunch without straining its fragile economy if more can be transferred, but regional politics could get in the way.

“The F-22s will almost certainly stay on the wish list, but if the US would gift some OHPs it would certainly be appreciated and would help the PN to maintain its seamanship standards,” says Cloughley.

Though this would boost the Pak-US relationship, the US also has to consider the reaction in New Delhi.

“There would also be a revival of trust by Pakistan in the US, but Washington has also to think of India. There is the chance that the ultra-nationalist Modi will be the next [Indian] prime minister, and he is very pro-business. The US has to bear this in mind, from the overseas investment point of view,” he said.

Pakistan Eyes Possible Defense Budget Increase
 
Good for Pakistan. :-)


But are they going to increase it further as a percentage of GDP?
 
“The F-22s will almost certainly stay on the wish list, but if the US would gift some OHPs it would certainly be appreciated and would help the PN to maintain its seamanship standards,” says Cloughley.
This is a load of bull! F-22s are planes with super secret technology and the reason why its export has been banned. Even its closest ally Israel has been refused this. So how on Earth will the US sell the top secret F-22s to Pakistan? Would they want their technology to be passed on to China?

I dunno why people spew such baloney!
 
This is a load of bull! F-22s are planes with super secret technology and the reason why its export has been banned. Even its closest ally Israel has been refused this. So how on Earth will the US sell the top secret F-22s to Pakistan? Would they want their technology to be passed on to China?

I dunno why people spew such baloney!

However, Pakistan also agreed to a deal for improved F-22P-class frigates with China in 2012, but little more has been heard since then and no deal has been signed.

There is a requirement for up to six Perry-class frigates however, as well as perhaps a larger frigate than the F-22P, such as the Chinese Type-054 class. Recently revealed plans to accelerate the retirement of the US Navy’s frigates could possibly alleviate Pakistan’s surface ship numbers crunch without straining its fragile economy if more can be transferred, but regional politics could get in the way.

“The F-22s will almost certainly stay on the wish list, but if the US would gift some OHPs it would certainly be appreciated and would help the PN to maintain its seamanship standards,” says Cloughley.
 
This is a load of bull! F-22s are planes with super secret technology and the reason why its export has been banned. Even its closest ally Israel has been refused this. So how on Earth will the US sell the top secret F-22s to Pakistan? Would they want their technology to be passed on to China?

I dunno why people spew such baloney!
I think he meant F-22 frigates -_-
 
This is a load of bull! F-22s are planes with super secret technology and the reason why its export has been banned. Even its closest ally Israel has been refused this. So how on Earth will the US sell the top secret F-22s to Pakistan? Would they want their technology to be passed on to China?
I dunno why people spew such baloney!
Somebody made an "***" out of somebody's self.....
In case somebody feels offended refer to post no.4
 
I am passive user but some time level of idiocy shown by some members @ Sir Orion Hunter made me think level of information people share on this forum and how reliable and authentic it may be
 
One such post and here goes the thread... :hitwall:

At least spend as much time reading the post as you do replying to that one and we will be in a much better shape!
 
* J-10B = Dead for PAF
* More F-16s, new/MLU
* PAF with only two platforms
* Upgraded F-22P Frigates
* OHP Frigates remain a real option with Genisis upgrade from Turkey.

* Type-54 Frigates 'likely'
* More Mi-7s
* WZ-10 talk is hogwash
 
I am passive user but some time level of idiocy shown by some members @ Sir Orion Hunter made me think level of information people share on this forum and how reliable and authentic it may be
Ok....Ok. guys! It's F-22 frigates, not aircraft. My bad! But you don't have to jump all over me with a massive onslaught with all the ordnance at your disposal. :sad:

No one's perfect, right? To err is human! :undecided:

Why the fook do they name stuff to add to the confusion? Perhaps the next gen tank and howitzer will also be christened as F-22! :frown: What's with this figure '22'?? There's even an 'Establishment 22' in India!!

@FunkyGen
@nuclearpak
@Arsalan
 
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Existing Defence budget=627bn PKR

Increase expected=20% or 130Billion dollars

Defence Budget in PKR=757bn PKR

Defence budget in Dollars=8.5billion dollars(Using 94PKR vs a dollar Onwards June)
 
* J-10B = Dead for PAF
* More F-16s, new/MLU
* PAF with only two platforms
* Upgraded F-22P Frigates
* OHP Frigates remain a real option with Genisis upgrade from Turkey.

* Type-54 Frigates 'likely'
* More Mi-7s
* WZ-10 talk is hogwash

Do you think in future PAF will buy China 5th generation plane? If yes then how many years from now on?

Existing Defence budget=627bn PKR

Increase expected=20% or 130Billion dollars

Defence Budget in PKR=757bn PKR

Defence budget in Dollars=8.5billion dollars(Using 94PKR vs a dollar Onwards June)

Today its at 97.8, but we don't know how longer it will stay there. Also if this conitnue our GDP may pass $300 billion this year.
 

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