Pakistan cruise missiles pose key challenge to India

[Nishan_101]

Does there any integration of Babur in Agosta-90B and in F-22P in VLS form??? and how much both can carry in the VLS formation.

 

[acetophenol]

Shooting down a cruise missile is a challenge and I hope our ABM suit , especially the AAD will be capable to handle a cruise missile intercept.

IMO,For handling a subsonic missile like Babur, our best bet would be Anti Aircraft guns and medium range SAMs like Akash.

 

[satishkumarcsc]

Does there any integration of Babur in Agosta-90B and in F-22P in VLS form??? and how much both can carry in the VLS formation.

Well rather than going for a VLS a tube launched Babur will be easier to fit inside the Agosta.

 

[Immanuel]

Normally Babur and Raad type missiles pose little threat. As more and more Spyder & Akash SAMs are being deployed, it will become very difficult to get through this very tight net. Spyder is argurably the best mid range SAM out there with both Python-5 & Derbys taking care of targets out to over +50km. Akash too is great, it has already been tested against low flying targets and proved its mettle. The huge orders of Akash for IA and IAF will furhter bolster security against subsonic cruise missiles. Out at sea weapons like Exocet and Harpoon won't have much effect against our ships either since all pricniple shisp carry good loads of Barak which sill shred subsonic missiles quiet easily.

 

[Nishan_101]

I wish to see the Babur Naval version on F-22 Block-II in 11 VLS style along with 16 VLS AShMs and 32 Cell VLS of Surface to Air Missiles.

We are hoping that 7 F-22P Block-II will be manufactured along with 2100 tons of Corvette similar in design and technology.

 

[rockstar08]

relax guys they are super humans ( indians ) they can drop our CM by just throwing stones

 

[akand bharat]

relax guys they are super humans ( indians ) they can drop our CM by just throwing stones

Not By stones But this
Recently Russia conducted a well-publicized test in which a Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft system shot down two cruise missiles launched from a Tu-95 bomber 800 kilometers away. The cruise missiles were heading for a building not far from where the Pantsir-S1 was parked. This test was meant to encourage countries that feel they might be attacked by cruise missiles to buy the Pantsir-S1. The United States has the most cruise missiles and has been the largest user of them for the last three decades. Many countries are developing air defense systems that can detect and destroy cruise missiles. The Tomahawk flies very close to the ground and is hard to spot using radar.

Pantsir-S1 entered service four years ago after more than a decade in development. Pantsir-S1 Development began in the 1990s, but was sporadic for nearly a decade because there was no money. Pantsir-S1 is a mobile system, each vehicle carries radar, two 30mm cannon, and twelve Tunguska missiles. The 90 kg (198 pound) Tunguska missile has a twenty kilometer range while the Pantsir-S1 radar has a 30 kilometer range. The missile can hit targets at up to 8,400 meters (26,000 feet) high. The 30mm cannon is effective up to 3,200 meters (10,000 feet). The vehicles used to carry all the Pantsir-S1 can vary, but the most common one used weighs 20 tons and has a crew of three. Each Pantsir-S1 vehicle costs about $15 million

 

[bloo]

That is the point , not necessarily . Both are used on different classes of missile , why are you developing the liquid fuel ramjet if you already have one operational with Akash interceptor missile ? Why then develop a new one , instead of using the already tested system ? The answer is that the one used on the ballistic missile , wont do with the cruise one . It was a hypothetical question , even though I will not deny that self reliance in developing the whole package for Brahmos wont be an advantage .

No , not this time .

I was talking about Brahmos there , referring to claims of complete transfer of technology . Mate , I have checked your post . You still do not have an operational all Indian cruise missile . I know of the ambitious projects , both planned and currently under development but I should repeat again , that they would take years of further development before giving fruitful results . Capability hasn't translated into an ability there yet . The plans and development sure are enough , but the operational status isn't there yet , not even on the Nirbhay , which the DRDO claimed to have a test flight again in less than two months .

Usually I do not argue like that , but doing only 30 percent of the intended target doesn't really look like a only-guidance problem to me for some reason . Strange that the missile had to be terminated only after covering ~ 200 KM's . You design the guidance system for the Jointly Developed Supersonic Cruise Missile Brahmos , right ? Then , again , in theory , developing it for a subsonic cruise missile shouldn't have been a hindrance . Because the work on Nirbhay started somewhere in 2007 , however the same isn't true for Brahmos , which had its first test flight in 2001 . You see where I am going with this ? Integration and making it to work in unison is a whole different story .

No , I am sure they are . There , again , I referred to Brahmos .

I agree you have superior technology and capability , the time frame where it translates into a mature operational weapon however remains to be seen .

I am not sure , if I have ever seen any specific links for an engine used on a missile .

I really doubt TOT on BrahMos would completely help Nirbhay if that's what you are referring to.

And regarding what Babur achieved in its 1st test(17km), Nirbhay did way better(~250km).
Nirbhay features advanced loitering capabilities not present in BrahMos consequently an all new INS would have been used, which is what malfunctioned in the first test as claimed.

Regardless of what you feel, as per DRDO 90% of the mission parameters have been met by Nibhay and considering it was flying alongside the coast doing a way point maneuver in its 1st test alone should say a lot about its capabilities.
BTW it did not crash, it was blown up mid way so that it doesn't fall in a populous region, it would have reached the intended distance as there was no problem in the control guidance or the engine itself, albeit off target.
And considering the 2nd test comes next month, i.e. less than a year, its still doing way better than Babur.

 

[JOEY TRIBIANI]

A radar looking down from a height of above 1000 metre can detect and guide an intercepter missile toward low flying target such as cruise missile.

wo jab jab wo detect kar ly ... look down shot down tech sy .. kitny chances ha is baat k ??
.. india ma sirf su-30 hi kisi cruise missile ko detect kar sakta ha ..

 

[Bratva]

I really doubt TOT on BrahMos would completely help Nirbhay if that's what you are referring to.

And regarding what Babur achieved in its 1st test(17km), Nirbhay did way better(~250km).
Nirbhay features advanced loitering capabilities not present in BrahMos consequently an all new INS would have been used, which is what malfunctioned in the first test as claimed.

Regardless of what you feel, as per DRDO 90% of the mission parameters have been met by Nibhay and considering it was flying alongside the coast doing a way point maneuver in its 1st test alone should say a lot about its capabilities.
BTW it did not crash, it was blown up mid way so that it doesn't fall in a populous region, it would have reached the intended distance as there was no problem in the control guidance or the engine itself, albeit off target.
And considering the 2nd test comes next month, i.e. less than a year, its still doing way better than Babur.

LOL 17 KM. Are you pulling this figure from your there where sun doesn't shine?

and load of bullox in your post. Babur is an operational missile with an accuracy of (CEP) 5 meters. Next time, instead of making fail arguments, It's nice to read Babur info thread.

Nirbhay first test was a complete failure of guidance system. Missile went haywire. So it was terminated. Hence Nirbhay test failed.

Whatever rest you say is what we term as, "For your heart elevation this thought seems to be good"

 

[bloo]

LOL 17 KM. Are you pulling this figure from your there where sun doesn't shine?

TRISHUL: Maiden Test-Firing Of India’s Nirbhay Strategic Subsonic Cruise Missile A Moderate Success(Babur) could fly out to only a distance of 17km on August 12, 2005,

 

[Bratva]

Buwhahahahaha muhahahaha,,, I knew you read that trishul bul shyte blog. That prasun gupta is a known liar and propagandist. Once again I ask you, please show us proper proof and facts which says Babur first flight was 17 KM.

Even I can make many claims. That brahmos is a paintjob done by India. etc etc

That's why we suggest you to read Babur database thread to get your updated about the recent milestones achieved in Pakistani LACM program and stop making yourself fool by quoting "claims and hearsays" in this thread

 

[bloo]

Buwhahahahaha muhahahaha,,, I knew you read that trishul bul shyte blog. That prasun gupta is a known liar and propagandist. Once again I ask you, please show us proper proof and facts which says Babur first flight was 17 KM.

Even I can make many claims. That brahmos is a paintjob done by India. etc etc

Prasun is known to criticize everything Indian as well as Pakistan go check out his recent blogs.

And it was Oscar i think who stated so,Subsonic missile ‘Nirbhay’ test fired | Page 14
enjoy your denial

 

[Bratva]

Prasun is known to criticize everything Indian as well as Pakistan go check out his recent blogs.

And it was Oscar i think who stated so,Subsonic missile ‘Nirbhay’ test fired | Page 14
enjoy your denial

Is Oscar working in Pakistani missile industry, no!

Stop proving yourself stupid and ignorant who is debating with no hard facts and proofs!

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Buwhahahahaha muhahahaha,,, I knew you read that trishul bul shyte blog. That prasun gupta is a known liar and propagandist. Once again I ask you, please show us proper proof and facts which says Babur first flight was 17 KM.

Even I can make many claims. That brahmos is a paintjob done by India. etc etc

That's why we suggest you to read Babur database thread to get your updated about the recent milestones achieved in Pakistani LACM program and stop making yourself fool by quoting "claims and hearsays" in this thread

Trishul blog...

As for nirbhay etc... i think secur explained how "advanced" indians are in CM tech..