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Pakistan condemns violence against Muslims in India

by leader i meant an awakener and renaissance man like iqbal... that is why i said "has good understanding of what mistakes the local muslims are making"... most problems that muslims are in are because of their own fault... they would rather cheer for taliban than for nasser.

the leader should be a transnational thinker... hence my agreement with you about such a leader not to be an exclusive leader of muslims... i want a muslim to lead all indians into real progress.
What is a transnational leader? Islamic brotherhood is one thing and a nation is another thing. We call hindus of having a slave mentality but in my opinion muslims of the subcontinent inherently feel inferior to saudis and iranians depending on their being sunnis and shias.
Coming back to India when we can have Mulayam Singh and Laloo yadav as leaders of muslims then why cant Asaduddin Owaisi or Omar Abdullah be the leaders of muslims and non-muslims alike? When brahmins can vote for dalit Mayawati then anything is possible in Indian politics provided someone aspire for it. Omar can never come out of Kashmir and Asad can never come out of his community. Problem is, we muslims have closed our minds and are unable to think out of box. we are happy being the poster boys of all political parties by getting ourselves clicked in cap, beard and sherwani.
 
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As a representative of Indians Muslims, I would like to thank our Pakistani Brothers and sisters. :pakistan::pakistan:
One more ch****a because of whom the whole Muslim community suffers. Go and take asylum in Pak. where further you will be branded Ahmedi and get killed.
 
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What is a transnational leader?

one whose appeal is across nationalities and religions... someone like lenin, che guevara, nasser and gaddafi... and that necessarily means that the leader should be socialist.

but in my opinion muslims of the subcontinent inherently feel inferior to saudis and iranians depending on their being sunnis and shias.

true enough in many cases... there are many south asian members giving condolences in the "saudi king dead" thread.

but watch how muammar gaddafi showed the same saudi king ( abdullah ) his place...


there's also a older confrontation between them... how many south asian muslims would say what muammar did.

Coming back to India when we can have Mulayam Singh and Laloo yadav as leaders of muslims then why cant Asaduddin Owaisi or Omar Abdullah be the leaders of muslims and non-muslims alike?

technically, there's no reason not to.

Problem is, we muslims have closed our minds and are unable to think out of box. Problem is, we are happy being the poster boys of all political parties by getting ourselves clicked in cap, beard and sherwani.

true enough.
 
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What is a transnational leader? Islamic brotherhood is one thing and a nation is another thing. We call hindus of having a slave mentality but in my opinion muslims of the subcontinent inherently feel inferior to saudis and iranians depending on their being sunnis and shias.
Coming back to India when we can have Mulayam Singh and Laloo yadav as leaders of muslims then why cant Asaduddin Owaisi or Omar Abdullah be the leaders of muslims and non-muslims alike? When brahmins can vote for dalit Mayawati then anything is possible in Indian politics provided someone aspire for it. Omar can never come out of Kashmir and Asad can never come out of his community. Problem is, we muslims have closed our minds and are unable to think out of box. we are happy being the poster boys of all political parties by getting ourselves clicked in cap, beard and sherwani.
Well I don't know which village you are from but we (from one of my side I am one) Ansaris have very open minds and are extremely against fundamentalism of any sort. Regardless if they want freedom from India or not they respect Hindus very much and believe in a collectivist ideal. Even in hyderabad where freedom movement is heavy the idea is there for a secular, pluralistic, egalitarian society. I have noticed my fathers side a little more orthodox but even they don't believe in terrorism or idiocy to achieve their goals.

Unfortunately our government of India seems to think Ansaris are fair game and continue framing them. Despite being the most liberal of all muslim groups they are the ones arrested and tortured in jails in Hyderabad, Lucknow and many other cities. Its to continually portray that Muslims and particularly Ansaris who are extremely liberal by the way are terrorists.

Karkare was investigating these very things when he was-surprise surprise, killed by the Indian government in a showdown where they claimed terrorists from Pakistan had infiltrated... (another one of the suspects was Ansari)

Here is an article which proves like in Kashmir the forces and Hindutva dominated police force have a free hand:

Social activists demand release of innocent Muslims in UP
The Milli Gazette
Published Online: Apr 28, 2012
Print Issue: 1-15 May 2012
By Rajiv Yadav, PUCL

Lucknow: Social activists organised a meet here on 11 April at the U.P. Press Club to press for the demand for the release of innocent Muslims held on terror charges in the state. Social activist and former vice chancellor of Lucknow University Prof. Roop Rekha Verma, Magsaysay award winner Sandeep Pandey, Arundhati Dhuru and lawyers of some of the detainees, Randhir Singh Suman and Mohammad Shoeb, raised their voice demanding the release of innocent Muslims held on terror charges.

Samajwadi Party in its manifesto had promised to release innocent Muslims held in various jails on terror charges. Recently the party decided to release some of them which can be believed to be a step forward towards fulfilling its election promise. From the year 2000 onwards, Muslims and their institutions have been targeted on the pretext of the fight against terror in one way or the other. Of those arrested since that period some have been released because of lack of evidence but many are still languishing in jails not only in Uttar Pradesh but across India. The decision of Samajwadi Party to release some Muslim youths exposed the fact that terrorism has become a political issue rather than a law and order matter and therefore it can be solved politically. There is evidence that UP ATS kidnapped Tariq Qasmi from Azamgarh on 12 December and Khalid Mujahid on 16 December, 2007, for their alleged role in a series of bomb blasts in Lucknow, Varanasi and Faizabad courts on 23 November 2007. Missing report of Tariq was filed by his grandfather Azhar Ali in Raniki Sarai thana on 14 December 2007. As per RTI reply, Police in Madiyahu revealed that UP ATS had arrested Khalid Mujahid on 16 December from Madiyahu (Jaunpur) district which can be said to be a criminal act. On the contrary, UP STF claimed to have arrested both of them in the morning of 22 December from Barabanki (that is our ancestral village they are trying to incriminate!!!) with some explosives and arms.

After having seen its political implications, the then government ordered an inquiry which was to submit its report within six months but till date it has not done so. Aftab Alam Ansari of Kolkata who was incarcerated for the court blast was found innocent and released while Sajjadur Rahman of Kashmir has also been exonerated of any role in the Lucknow blast case.

After the blast in the court in various cities in Uttar Pradesh, Hindutva forces had issued a whip to all advocates not to take up the cases of those accused in terror charges. The reason for this as cited by them was that the court blast was planned to take revenge for Waliullah, an accused in the Sankatmochan blast.

Former ADG of Uttar Pradesh Brij Lal had said on 25 December 2007 that explosives and methods used in the court blasts were similar to that of Makka Masjid blast. Now, as we all know, the truth is that Hindutva terrorists were involved in the Makka Masjid blast, we demand a high level inquiry into these cases. Human rights and political organisations took a decision to fight it out legally. Lawyers of these Muslims youths were attacked and forced to shout slogans like “Hindustan Zindabad” and “Pakistan Murdabad”.

Two youths from Azamgarh were accused of belonging to “Indian Mujahideen” and killed in the Batla House encounter but till date the Central Government has not shown the guts for any kind of judicial inquiry. On 14 August 2008, Abul Bashar, another youth from Azamgarh, was arrested for being an “Indian Mujahideen” member from Beenapara in Azamgarh. In totality, so far 16 youths from Azamgarh have been arrested, while seven are still missing and two were killed in the Batla House encounter. Today, youths from Azamgarh are in jails in Ahmedabad, Jaipur, Maharashtra, Delhi and some other places.

Human rights organisations also demanded inquiry into the attack on a CRPF camp at Rampur which was claimed to be a terror attack just to conceal a fight among CRPF personnel themselves. For this incident, youths named as Kausar Farooqui, Jang Bahadur, Sharif, Gulab Khan of Uttar Pradesh and Sabauddin from Bihar, Faheem Ansari from Mumbai (Ansaris everywhere???) , are languishing in jails in UP. Social activists have demanded a CBI inquiry into the incident of the shootout in the CRPF camp at Rampur.

On 19 June 2007, Nasir Hussain from Munniki Reti of Tehri Garhwal and on 21 June 2007 Mohammad Yakub from Nagina were shown to have been arrested from Lucknow. Likewise, On 19 June Naushad from Nirvana, Alwar (Rajasthan) and Jalaluddin from West Bengal were lifted from Charbagh and their arrests shown in Residency area in Lucknow. On interrogation of Jalaluddin, Ali Akbar Hussain and Sheikh Mukhtar of Bengal were shown to have been arrested from Bengal on 24 June, 2007.

Many youths of the state and from Kashmir have been arrested, claiming they were ISI agents in the state. People of Kashmir are afraid of visiting these places. On 23 December 2007, two Kashmiri youths who were selling woollen clothes, were killed allegedly in a fake encounter in the name of protecting the then chief minister. All these incidents compel us to believe that UP STF and UP police arrest innocent Muslim youths, torture them and collect false evidence which is a crime.

During the political noise over terror, Bajrang Dal workers lost their lives while fabricating a bomb in Kanpur’s Rajiv Nagar area in 2008. At the time, Sri Prakash Jaiswal, MOS Home, had said the a CBI enquiry should be ordered into this incident. The then chief minister Mayawati commented on this that the blasts in UP courts and the CRPF camp too should be probed by CBI. This shows clearly that no probes were ordered for all these blasts due to political complications.

Members of civil society and social activists demanded of the new Samjwadi party government to reciprocate the gesture of the Muslims support to the party by fulfilling the promise made to them in the party manifesto before the elections. They also demanded the immediate release of innocent Muslims and thereafter provide them with opportunities that can ensure them a dignified life after their release. Social activists also demanded proper investigation and action against all those policemen involved in the illegal arrests of innocent Muslims. (Translated from Hindi)
 
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What is a transnational leader? Islamic brotherhood is one thing and a nation is another thing. We call hindus of having a slave mentality but in my opinion muslims of the subcontinent inherently feel inferior to saudis and iranians depending on their being sunnis and shias.
Coming back to India when we can have Mulayam Singh and Laloo yadav as leaders of muslims then why cant Asaduddin Owaisi or Omar Abdullah be the leaders of muslims and non-muslims alike? When brahmins can vote for dalit Mayawati then anything is possible in Indian politics provided someone aspire for it. Omar can never come out of Kashmir and Asad can never come out of his community. Problem is, we muslims have closed our minds and are unable to think out of box. we are happy being the poster boys of all political parties by getting ourselves clicked in cap, beard and sherwani.

one whose appeal is across nationalities and religions... someone like lenin, che guevara, nasser and gaddafi... and that necessarily means that the leader should be socialist.



true enough in many cases... there are many south asian members giving condolences in the "saudi king dead" thread.

but watch how muammar gaddafi showed the same saudi king ( abdullah ) his place...

there's also a older confrontation between them... how many south asian muslims would say what muammar did.

technically, there's no reason not to.

true enough.

Mulayam Singh, Laloo Yadav or even a Dalit Mayawati can be Supreme leader of majority of Indians politically, but never ever any Syed Ahmad Khan, Jinnah Ponjah, Asadudin Owaisi or Omar Abdullah for that matter be it 20th, 21st or 51st century....keep dialing wrong numbers idiotically forever.......but you have to get this fact through your heads in the end....plainly:coffee:
 
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Mulayam Singh, Laloo Yadav or even a Dalit Mayawati can be leader of majority of Indians politically, but never ever any Syed Ahmad Khan, Jinnah Ponjah, Asadudin Owaisi or Omar Abdullah for that matter be it 20th, 21st or 51st century....keep dialing wrong numbers idiotically forever.......but you have to get it through your heads in the end....plainly:coffee:

well, jnnah certainly wanted to become the first prime minister of india but was not allowed by gandhi and patel... that certainly is history.

even though omar abdullah is more cosmopolitan than asaduddin owaisi, i agree that both themselves talk to a minorty group each.

hence my suggestion of a socialist muslim leader who will appeal to every group.
 
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Muslims in India are far more safe then in Pakistan. Have you seen dozen policemen outside jama maszid as happens in pakistan
 
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even though omar abdullah is more cosmopolitan than asaduddin owaisi, i agree that both themselves talk to a minorty group each.

He has a thorough political background, he knows his limits.....which you people trying to ignore....like a closed eyed pigeon.
 
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Muslims in India are far more safe then in Pakistan. Have you seen dozen policemen outside jama maszid as happens in pakistan
4 Muslims Killed in Hindu-Muslim Clash in Northern India
PATNA, India — Jan 19, 2015, 5:35 AM ET
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At least four Muslim villagers were killed, three of them burned to death, when their thatched huts were set on fire during a clash between Hindu and Muslim groups in eastern India, a government official said.

Police had arrested 14 people Monday on charges of arson and murder, said Ranjit K. Mishra, a local superintendent of police.

Security has been tightened in and around Sarayian village in Bihar state with some 500 police officers assigned to the area.

Atul Prasad, a Bihar state administrator, said the violence erupted Sunday after the body of a young Hindu boy was found in Sarayian more than a week after he went missing.

Prasad said Hindu fishermen blamed Muslims for killing the boy who was friendly with a Muslim girl from the village, 105 kilometers (65 miles) north of Patna, the capital of Bihar.

The charred bodies of three Muslims were found in the burned huts in the poor community, he said. The bullet-riddled body of a fourth man was found in a field in the village, Mishra said.

Prasad said the situation remains tense but under control in the village.

Hindus make up more than 80 percent and Muslims nearly 13 percent of India's 1.2 billion people. They largely live peacefully in various parts of the country, but there is occasional violence.

Last year, around 50 people died in clashes between Hindus and Muslim in Muzaffarnagar town in neighboring Uttar Pradesh state.
 
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He has a thorough political background, he knows his limits.....which you people trying to ignore....like a closed eyed pigeon.

i am socialist, i welcome anyone with a progressive attitude... i think omar abdullah is one such.
 
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4 Muslims Killed in Hindu-Muslim Clash in Northern India
PATNA, India — Jan 19, 2015, 5:35 AM ET
AP_logo_update_20130709.gif



At least four Muslim villagers were killed, three of them burned to death, when their thatched huts were set on fire during a clash between Hindu and Muslim groups in eastern India, a government official said.

Police had arrested 14 people Monday on charges of arson and murder, said Ranjit K. Mishra, a local superintendent of police.

Security has been tightened in and around Sarayian village in Bihar state with some 500 police officers assigned to the area.

Atul Prasad, a Bihar state administrator, said the violence erupted Sunday after the body of a young Hindu boy was found in Sarayian more than a week after he went missing.

Prasad said Hindu fishermen blamed Muslims for killing the boy who was friendly with a Muslim girl from the village, 105 kilometers (65 miles) north of Patna, the capital of Bihar.

The charred bodies of three Muslims were found in the burned huts in the poor community, he said. The bullet-riddled body of a fourth man was found in a field in the village, Mishra said.

Prasad said the situation remains tense but under control in the village.

Hindus make up more than 80 percent and Muslims nearly 13 percent of India's 1.2 billion people. They largely live peacefully in various parts of the country, but there is occasional violence.

Last year, around 50 people died in clashes between Hindus and Muslim in Muzaffarnagar town in neighboring Uttar Pradesh state.
Death toll rises: Over 3,200 killings in Karachi make 2013 deadliest year so far – The Express Tribune
 
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i am socialist, i welcome anyone with a progressive attitude... i think omar abdullah is one such.

You Can but that doesn't matter....What about the Insecure Majority...who happens to posses historically a very small heart:-)
 
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Mulayam Singh, Laloo Yadav or even a Dalit Mayawati can be Supreme leader of majority of Indians politically, but never ever any Syed Ahmad Khan, Jinnah Ponjah, Asadudin Owaisi or Omar Abdullah for that matter be it 20th, 21st or 51st century....keep dialing wrong numbers idiotically forever.......but you have to get this fact through your heads in the end....plainly:coffee:
You will keep wishing that because it justifies your raison d'etre. I have been hearing this from pessimist quarters since my childhood but hindu majority Bengal and Maharashtra and perhaps Bihar also had muslim chief ministers. but these chief ministers never got into communal politics.
 
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What about the Insecure Majority...who happens to posses historically a very small heart:-)

good point, for which i have no answer now... will reply to you when i have clarity on this... please allow.
 
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Violence against any community should be stoped on both side of border.

I agree with you...This is where both nations are lacking with each other...If Pakistan is really would like to score points, then there are so many issues if Pakistan can raise, it will be very much insulting to India..For example, why only Muslims, why do not you guys raise voice for all the poor and
India did exactly same when Hindu's were targeted in Pakistan , stop Crying .... please


Exactly...the Hindus and Muslims who stayed in the respective nations should get integrated with the culture of both Pakistan and India rather than trying to be different...Showing some concern either by India for Hindus or by Pakistan for Muslims is just an eye wash...Pakistan can not take care of its own people so do India...What they they will take care for others...

good point... for which i have no answer now... will reply to you when i have clarity on this... please allow.
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