Pakistan beats India in research, not in innovation

[Edevelop]

It would be interesting to compare India and Pakistan in the world of science and innovation. Everybody would think that India with its high economic growth rate and world class information technology industry is miles ahead. That may not be completely true.

A recent United Nations study finds that Pakistan has more researchers for a million people than India. Pakistan has 162 researchers for a million people as compared to 135 in India.

But, when it comes to taking research to a logical and innovative end through patent registration, Pakistan is not even close to the south-Asian economic power. India has five patents for a million people, five times more than the Pakistanis.

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The reason, as indicated by data in the UN report, could be Pakistan’s poor technological infrastructure as compared to India despite the youth there showing more interest than Indians in science and technology.

That is the only saving grace for Indians in the world of science and technology.

Otherwise, the so-called emerging economic power is not even close to several nations with slower economic growth rate. Sri Lanka registers three times more patents for a million people as compared to its northern neighbour India. Even Thailand has more patents and researchers per million people than India.

Comparison of India with China or United States would be shameful. China registers over a 100 patents for a million people as compared to five for India. US, with 707 patents for a million people, is among top scientific countries in the world after two Asian research giants Japan and South Korea with over 1,000 patents for a million people.

A senior government official was hopeful of dramatic change in India’s dismal record saying recent efforts to incentivise research would show results in the coming few years.

Pakistan beats India in research, not in innovation - Hindustan Times

 

[Kompromat]

A country like Pakistan should be spending at least 4-6% of GDP on science & technology ,research and development.

 

[acetophenol]

Oh man,just 5 patents per a million? That itself is shameful.

 

[danish_vij]

this is from the same source..

 

[scorpionx]

Look at Japan and South Korea!!They seem to be aliens on this planet.

 

[KRAIT]

With 450 million poor people, should it be a surprise ?

BTW not many people go for research. Indian Economic growth is not just dependent on Research.

So when such comparison is done, one has to look at the population of People in Research field rather than entire population.

I mean in my home town, there may be handful of Researchers publishing and getting patents. But they are earning good due to tourism and hotel industries.

So, economic growth of my home town is not dependent on research output, but the USP of my city. Ranthambhore National Park.

So, before doing research and giving theories on data, first one has to understand the variables and parameters and their importance to determine a particular characteristic of a society or a country.

Look at Japan and South Korea!!They seem to be aliens on this planet.

Are they Agriculture based economy ? Are they third world country ?

Kindly see the Hierarchy of Need of a person or a society.

It will give you the idea why the comparison between India and Japan/South Korea is not appropriate.

BTW South Korea is behind India in many fields too.

 

[S-DUCT]

In India Out 1000 undergraduate students only 4 opt for higher studies for R&D, and rest go either to MBA,IAS or job.Doing Bsc,Msc
is seen as a faliure by many peoples including by their parents also.

 

[scorpionx]

Are they Agriculture based economy ? Are they third world country ?

Kindly see the Hierarchy of Need of a person or a society.

It will give you the idea why the comparison between India and Japan/South Korea is not appropriate.

BTW South Korea is behind India in many fields too.

Are Yaar, am not comparing India with Japan and SK. I am just appreciating their achievement.

 

[Roybot]

Number of researchers don't matter, its the quality of research that matters. If we go by scimago country ranking, India's research output is 11 times more than Pakistan

Needless to say, both countries have a long way to go

 

[KRAIT]

@Roybot Both matters.

Quality and Quantity is required for development of nation of size like India.

A low quality but more applicable, cost effective researched output may be easy to implement than a high quality but more costly solution for a country of 1.2 billion people.

Like, we can have new sources of energy generation.

Consider Thorium based reactor and Gujarat's model of Canals and River connection with Solar Panel coverage. Generates Electricity, Saves water from irrigation, relatively easier and faster to implement and much safer.

Now they are going to introduce Micro Turbines to be suspended. So we need research in these fields too, along with developing a commercial Thorium based Reactor.

So, the requirement and urgency should also drive the Research field. For high level research, we can increase specialized Research centers and introduce Private Institutions and support to them.

Are Yaar, am not comparing India with Japan and SK. I am just appreciating their achievement.

I know that. Their achievement is dependent on their work culture and their requirements.

Why Japan needs robotics development ? Because they needed more work force to increase their production. In India, human work force is very high, but for Japan, they need industrialization to compete.

Requirements and market determines the improvement and increase in Research Department.

 

[Roybot]

@Roybot Both matters.

Quality and Quantity is required for development of nation of size like India.

A low quality but more applicable, cost effective researched output may be easy to implement than a high quality but more costly solution for a country of 1.2 billion people.

I ll have to disagree with you here mate. By low quality I mean, absolutely low quality. Something which doesn't even get published anywhere, let alone peer reviewed journals. I mean whats the point of such research?

Even in India, we have these people doing PhD or Reseacrh from these small state run universities( Talking of Bihar and UP), their research is only for name sake. They just get someone to write their thesis for them, and they get their PhD. Should we count those people as researchers and their work as research? I don't think so.

We should have a minimum benchmark of what should be regarded as a research.

 

[JohnSeb]

Japan is miles ahead of everybody in Research...Congrats to them. Figures of India are bad...really bad. Need to focus more on research.

 

[KRAIT]

I ll have to disagree with you here mate. By low quality I mean, absolutely low quality. Something which doesn't even get published anywhere, let alone peer reviewed journals. I mean whats the point of such research?
Even in India, we have these people doing PhD or Reseacrh from these small state run universities( Talking of Bihar and UP), their research is only for name sake. They just get someone to write their thesis for them, and they get their PhD. Should we count those people as researchers and their work as research? I don't think so.
We should have a minimum benchmark of what should be regarded as a research.

I know that. Even in UP, if you want PhD in certain fields, you have to publish a minimum number of research papers in peer reviewed in International Journals with a total Impact Factor like 10.

I agree with low level research and plagiarism, which is a big issue in India. It creates problems for many researchers as these phony and unethical researchers bring bad name to Indian scientific community among international journals.

 

[danish_vij]

my physics teacher who has done some research on nuclear physics in US says....that research is a worst option if done in India....he told that his friend chose to do research work in India in Baba Atomic center and even after 30 years of service he is earning like only 3000INR per month(just more than 500$)...but if the same job is done in US u will get 2000$-10000$ per month easily(it could b even more than that).... thats very bad on india's part...GOI should do some efforts to increase interest of indians towards research.....atleast increase there wadges.....but nooooo our govt. wants to import and let other countries to take advantage of our countrymen's talent

 

[GR!FF!N]

actually,PHD in India is a complex and cumbersome matter.why you risk your 5 years for research when you can easily go for a good job which has a better prospect.Complexity of NET is one of the main problem.sometimes you may qualify in net,but you couldn't find a place for research in any university as most of it is full..most of the people who qualify for net,go for a lecturership,not for phd(most of the reasercher don't even complete his/her thesis).